AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Charlot123]

Things that point to a ransom angle (MOO)

- NG seems to have left the property alive. (Blood trail suggesting non fatal injury, sheriff stating he thinks she’s alive)
- Ransom note mentions things potentially only the offender would know.
- Close relationship to someone famous (SG)
- LE seems to be taking it seriously, suggesting something in the note points to its validity and/or corresponds to the scene.
- Family was shown the note immediately and decided to put out the response video.

Things that point away from ransom (MOO)

- Waiting 24 hrs+ to make demands.
- An odd choice of victim (senior so more liability, SG may be famous, but non controversial)
- The Thursday/Monday situation.
- The extensive knowledge the offender seemed to have of the home and security systems (knew NG would be alone, smashing cameras)

IMOO, the ransom angle is a bit out there, but seemingly more likely as things play out. I’m leaning towards someone who knows NG abducting her for personal or financial purposes, but adding the ransom in it is odd. If they are keeping NG captive and going to release her once they get their payout, she would obviously identify them if there’s a personal tie. I hate to say this, but it feels like NG isn’t supposed to return regardless (I hope I’m wrong)

I wonder if they abducted for a pure bank robbery reason (ATM/credit card, pin, etc), but things went the wrong way? Sadly, it is not impossible. Thugs and an 84-year-old woman.

And “the ransom” is not coming from the same person but from the same “group” as an attempt to get at least something?

They probably have prior criminal history of the similar type. I’d guess they are from AZ and live close by but not in the same town. Maybe they are from a place providing service to Catalina Foothills.

 

[katydid23]

Shocking truth about mystery tip off that sparked Nancy Guthrie search

Latest from Daily Mail questioning the original phone call from the “congregant” reporting her missing—reportedly she had not attended in person for some time. I hope I’ve linked this correctly.

Shocking truth about mystery tip off that sparked Nancy Guthrie search

Fresh doubt has been cast on the tip off that first led to alarms being raised over Nancy Guthrie's shock abduction this weekend, the Daily Mail can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Fresh doubt has been cast on the tip off that first led to alarms being raised over Nancy Guthrie's shock abduction this weekend, the Daily Mail can reveal.

A fellow congregant at Nancy's church in Tucson, Arizona, was initially reported to have alerted the 84-year-old's family after she failed to attend a morning service on Sunday.

Curiously, however, a source has now told the Daily Mail that the elderly mother had not been at St Andrew's Presbyterian Church for years.

Ever since the Covid pandemic, she has been worshipping 'online'.

It is understood that St. Andrews does not have a large-scale Zoom call for online viewing, as some religious organizations do.


{That is very interesting--IS IT ACCURATE?]



TIMELINE:

Saturday, January 31
9.45pm
Nancy Guthrie, 84, arrives at her home in the

Catalina Foothills area of Tucson, Arizona.

She had spent the evening having dinner with

family, including her daughter Annie, who drove

her home. It is believed Annie is the last person to

have seen her mother, at 9.45pm.
Sunday, February 1
2am
Nancy's pacemaker last syncs with her Apple

devices at home. Investigators believe

she is abducted around this time.
11am
Nancy fails to arrive at her regular church service.

A member of the congregation calls her family.
Savannah Guthrie and her mother Nancy, 84
11.10am
Family members arrive at her home to find it empty.

zona home
Tucson
12.15pm
Nancy is reported missing to

Pima County Sheriff’s Department.


Monday, February 2
Sheriff Chris Nanos says he believes Nancy was taken against her will, between

approximately 9.30pm Saturday and 11am Sunday.

The home is treated as a potential crime scene and homicide detectives are involved.

 

[katydid23]

I highly doubt that’s the case, but they are certainly behaving like it might be real.

This would draw out real abductors, or those trying to profit with a ruse.

This bothers me though, because it could be an indication they are lost.

I think maybe LE has doubts if it is legit----but they cannot 100% say it is not real.

And so the family is going to try and see---they cannot reject it if there is a slight chance it's real...


I don't think it's real. imo

 

[katydid23]

Where did you read this information?

Shocking truth about mystery tip off that sparked Nancy Guthrie search

Fresh doubt has been cast on the tip off that first led to alarms being raised over Nancy Guthrie's shock abduction this weekend, the Daily Mail can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Fresh doubt has been cast on the tip off that first led to alarms being raised over Nancy Guthrie's shock abduction this weekend, the Daily Mail can reveal.

A fellow congregant at Nancy's church in Tucson, Arizona, was initially reported to have alerted the 84-year-old's family after she failed to attend a morning service on Sunday.

Curiously, however, a source has now told the Daily Mail that the elderly mother had not been at St Andrew's Presbyterian Church for years.

Ever since the Covid pandemic, she has been worshipping 'online'.

 

[iamshadow21]

Shocking truth about mystery tip off that sparked Nancy Guthrie search

Fresh doubt has been cast on the tip off that first led to alarms being raised over Nancy Guthrie's shock abduction this weekend, the Daily Mail can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Fresh doubt has been cast on the tip off that first led to alarms being raised over Nancy Guthrie's shock abduction this weekend, the Daily Mail can reveal.

A fellow congregant at Nancy's church in Tucson, Arizona, was initially reported to have alerted the 84-year-old's family after she failed to attend a morning service on Sunday.

Curiously, however, a source has now told the Daily Mail that the elderly mother had not been at St Andrew's Presbyterian Church for years.

Ever since the Covid pandemic, she has been worshipping 'online'.

See, the thing is, if there wasn't contact from a member of the congregation, then the family's story falls apart.

And that's something that's hard to get past.

If there was a phone call or an email, there would be a record, and a third party to interview.

It all kind of smacks of a misjudgment by a perpetrator... Assuming she attends in person because she used to, without realising she'd changed her routine years ago.

And that doesn't jibe with a stranger attack, someone who wouldn't know those things about her Sunday routine past and present. It's something someone who knew her would know, or think they knew.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Even if she attended via video/zoom, church friends would still notice if she were missing. imo

The article says that the church zoom does not show the online participants:

"Instead, the church's 9am and 10.45am services on Sundays are live-streamed and it is impossible for other participants to know who else is watching."

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos has said a congregant called Nancy's family at 11am on Sunday after she failed to arrive at church.

Our source did not know who called the family, but said Nancy was 'known and loved in the whole community.'

Shocking truth about mystery tip off that sparked Nancy Guthrie search

Fresh doubt has been cast on the tip off that first led to alarms being raised over Nancy Guthrie's shock abduction this weekend, the Daily Mail can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[katydid23]

That's probably why the Internet Crimes Against Children are helping. They are tech savy too.

jmo

They [ICAC} also probably know a lot about bitcoin payments online----supposedly the dark web purchases of 'crimes against children' are often paid for by crypto or bitcoin, etc

 

[Charlot123]

The article says that the church zoom does not show the online participants:

"Instead, the church's 9am and 10.45am services on Sundays are live-streamed and it is impossible for other participants to know who else is watching."

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos has said a congregant called Nancy's family at 11am on Sunday after she failed to arrive at church.

Our source did not know who called the family, but said Nancy was 'known and loved in the whole community.'

Shocking truth about mystery tip off that sparked Nancy Guthrie search

Fresh doubt has been cast on the tip off that first led to alarms being raised over Nancy Guthrie's shock abduction this weekend, the Daily Mail can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You know, if the zoom is set up like during congresses and symposia, then indeed, the faces are not seen but who is present online, questions and conversations between the participants are.

The technology is very popular. There may be repeated “on demand” lectures.

 

[katydid23]

IIRC, Thursday was the deadline to pay the Ransom, though also IIRC, the ransomers said they would not harm Nancy until Monday, they the bitcoin needed to be in the account my Monday, ostensibly giving more time to pay if they missed Thursday. (Edited because I had the specifics wrong)

Ransom note being investigated in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance

KGUN received an alleged ransom note referencing Nancy Guthrie. It makes a specific demand for several million dollars in Bitcoin by Thursday.

www.courttv.com

But what about the mom's urgent need for her medicine? I thought she'd die if she didnt get her important meds within 48 hours?

 

[katydid23]

John Miller CNN: Taking these ransom letters seriously. They want to build empathy between captors and their mom. Want to make it a two way conversation, and not between news outlets.

Need to know "are you real?" "Are you who you say you are?"

"Need to take this one way conversation and turn it into a two-way conversation for this to move forward."

Would like to actually speak to her on the phone. Going to be a challenge because it's traceable.

Can you give controlled questions that only she could know "who was your dog in the 4th grade?" "What did you eat at your sister's house the night you were taken?"

Brian Stelter: Savannah and her siblings spent much of the afternoon with the FBI in preparation for this video.

Well, I'd be a bit nervous choosing the questions to ask an 84 yr old, for proof of life.

Believe me, even if she is still 'sharp as a tack', her memory aint what it used to be.

So remembering what her doggie from 75 years ago was named, might backfire if she can't remember anymore. Or even what she ate at her daughter's last week. It's been a very stressful week.

I'd go with things that she'd have a better chance of remembering---"when was Daddy's birthday? When is your anniversary, etc? I think she could have a greater chance of remembering something significant like that. And I doubt her kidnappers would know those dates.

 

[Strangeworld]

See, the thing is, if there wasn't contact from a member of the congregation, then the family's story falls apart.

And that's something that's hard to get past.

If there was a phone call or an email, there would be a record, and a third party to interview.

It all kind of smacks of a misjudgment by a perpetrator... Assuming she attends in person because she used to, without realising she'd changed her routine years ago.

And that doesn't jibe with a stranger attack, someone who wouldn't know those things about her Sunday routine past and present. It's something someone who knew her would know, or think they knew.

MOO

Agree, surely it would be easy to prove/disprove by the phone records. That wouldn't even be a complex process, just looking at incoming/outgoing calls.

Maybe the person who phoned them was someone that Nancy normally had a private Zoom chat with regularly around the time of the church service, or a phone call and she had missed that which was out of the ordinary. It may have just been miscommunicated in the media that she didn't 'attend' the servicce, which sounds like she didn't do since COVID

 

[Strangeworld]

You know, if the zoom is set up like during congresses and symposia, then indeed, the faces are not seen but who is present online, questions and conversations between the participants are.

The technology is very popular. There may be repeated “on demand” lectures.

But its different if it is a live feed, for that people just join, like we do with press conferences on youtube

 

[katydid23]

BBM:
Zoom?

In the Daily Mail article it has a quote saying that the church livestream does NOT show viewers faces. It only streams the services.

 

[katydid23]

dbm

 

[katydid23]

Just interesting family was notified right away that she was absent from beginning of church- 11:

It sounds fishy to me.

I wonder if Annie had a call on her phone log showing the call from the church goer around 11 am?
Ten minutes later they were at her mom's home. That is a pretty quick response.

Arrived at her home just 10 minutes after a call saying your Mom hasn't arrived at church yet today.

But it's about an hour before a call to LE?

Even with blood on the front porch?

 

[Sadi]

The article says that the church zoom does not show the online participants:

"Instead, the church's 9am and 10.45am services on Sundays are live-streamed and it is impossible for other participants to know who else is watching."

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos has said a congregant called Nancy's family at 11am on Sunday after she failed to arrive at church.

Our source did not know who called the family, but said Nancy was 'known and loved in the whole community.'

Shocking truth about mystery tip off that sparked Nancy Guthrie search

Fresh doubt has been cast on the tip off that first led to alarms being raised over Nancy Guthrie's shock abduction this weekend, the Daily Mail can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Isn’t Zoom like a call on Teams? Where you can see the names of whoever is attending and send messages back and forth? This is getting more bizarre.

 

[Inthedetails]

But what about the mom's urgent need for her medicine? I thought she'd die if she didnt get her important meds within 48 hours?

I'm wondering if Nancy's health did suffer and perhaps she didn't survive - and THEN the perp sent the ransom note to somehow cover for it?

Then again, the ransom note went to media. The person likely knew TMZ in particular would make a splash about it. A "normal" perp might send to LE or local news or the family directly....but TMZ? Who would think to send to TMZ? Does that indicate the perp was motivated by SG's fame?

I don't know.

jmo

 

[Poedelini]

I'm wondering if Nancy's health did suffer and perhaps she didn't survive - and THEN the perp sent the ransom note to somehow cover for it?

Then again, the ransom note went to media. The person likely knew TMZ in particular would make a splash about it. A "normal" perp might send to LE or local news or the family directly....but TMZ? Who would think to send to TMZ? Does that indicate the perp was motivated by SG's fame?

I don't know.

jmo

Maybe he or she hoped that making it public would increase the pressure, so they’d comply.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

It sounds fishy to me.

I wonder if Annie had a call on her phone log showing the call from the church goer around 11 am?
Ten minutes later they were at her mom's home. That is a pretty quick response.

Arrived at her home just 10 minutes after a call saying your Mom hasn't arrived at church yet today.

But it's about an hour before a call to LE?

Even with blood on the front porch?

Yeah pretty quick but apparently they live 10 minutes away so seems logical. Sometimes people routinely enter through another door than the front one - garage for example. Who knows what they were doing or who they were calling or where they were looking in that hour. No clue of course but there may be reasonable explanations for the questions.

 

[Inthedetails]

Maybe he or she hoped that making it public would increase the pressure, so they’d comply.

Yes, but I still think TMZ is an odd selection. They aren't the first outlet I would think of for crime publicity, but I would for celebrity news, ykwim?

jmopinion