AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[tbgo]

I agree. What I find weird about this situation is if legit, they waited at least 24 more likely around 36 hours before sending the first ransom note (the one sent to the local newstation who didn’t report on it). They knew that by leaving it that long LE would already be heavily involved.

I wonder if tempers flared. She was hit and killed and they panicked and decided to make it look like a kidnapping. This may turn out to be a really stupid plot on behalf of the person. You would think that they would have at least attempted to make it look like a robbery.

Why wasn’t the son-in-law part of the family’s video message? That, to me, looks really strange. It sticks out. It would have helped in making him look less guilty.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

I wonder if tempers flared. She was hit and killed and they panicked and decided to make it look like a kidnapping. This may turn out to be a really stupid plot on behalf of the person. You would think that they would have at least attempted to make it look like a robbery.

Why wasn’t the son-in-law part of the family’s video message? That, to me, looks really strange. It sticks out. It would have helped in making him look less guilty.

I did wonder that myself about the video but none of their partners were in it so I think they just wanted it to be from her children.

 

[tbgo]

Today’s deadline was for payment from the family, not for communication from the kidnappers.
I hope they are just trying to figure out how to contact the family again without being identified, and that’s the delay. It doesn’t have to be by email.
The fear is that if the kidnappers cannot show proof of life, that they just walk away and the family never hears from them.

Then what’s with the second deadline on Monday? If you ask for money by 5pm Thursday, wouldn’t you say that you intend to kill her if payment isn’t received? Why would you add 4 more days? It sounds like to me that they probably said that they would rough her up on Thursday and then kill her on or after Monday for failure of payment. They also said that they would not be communicating again. The ransom note will be it.

Honestly, the entire thing sounds goofy.

 

[Interested Torontonian]

Today’s deadline was for payment from the family, not for communication from the kidnappers.
I hope they are just trying to figure out how to contact the family again without being identified, and that’s the delay. It doesn’t have to be by email.
The fear is that if the kidnappers cannot show proof of life, that they just walk away and the family never hears from them.

Maybe i'm naive - but I feel like someone who has taken someone hostage with the intention of extracting a payoff and releasing the individual would be trying to engage with the family and showing proof of life for the hostage.

If a kidnapper is just tossing of a "letter" and won't show the inviidual is alive, i think that tells people what they need to know

 

[tbgo]

Did she show a ransom note?

She held something up with large text and a QR code in the middle. This was a few nights ago. Maybe it was a prop. Ashleigh irritates the hell out of me sometimes.

 

[boredetective]

Just read a crazy take from a former FBI agent:

he said at one point in sibling video savannah's sister says "Mama, we need you to come home" so she's talking to directly to Nancy as if she has control of coming home herself, and he said that was interesting to him that it seemed to leave the door open a little bit for this not to be a kidnapping.

This is obviously very confusing to me, is it possible she left on own accord? Maybe a psychotic break? or had someone pick her up? Angry at family. Seems far fetched.

 

[whitelilac]

Then what’s with the second deadline on Monday? If you ask for money by 5pm Thursday, wouldn’t you say that you intend to kill her if payment isn’t received? Why would you add 4 more days? It sounds like to me that they probably said that they would rough her up on Thursday and then kill her on or after Monday.

Odd that there's a weekend in between......as if the perps are otherwise occupied on a weekend.

 

[maamager]

dbm

 

[tbgo]

Odd that there's a weekend in between......as if the perps are otherwise occupied on a weekend.

Well, you know, they probably have other 80 year old woman to kidnap. /s

The entire thing reads amateurish, that all of this came to the perp after the fact, that it wasn’t planned out. They did something to her/with her, and then it occurred to them to write a ransom letter and stage a kidnapping plot.

 

[whitelilac]

Well, you know, they probably have other 80 year old woman to kidnap. /s

The entire thing reads amateurish, that all of this came to the perp after the fact, that it wasn’t planned out. They did something to her/with her, and then it occurred to them to write a ransom letter.

I've been thinking the same, and mentioned it a few pages back. Spending 41 minutes in the house, trying to get what he wanted from Nancy, financial info, passwords, safe contents whatever, threatening her....he didn't succeed, in anger he may have killed her then, took her away with a new ransom plot in mind.

 

[Strangeworld]

She held something up with large text and a QR code in the middle. This was a few nights ago. Maybe it was a prop. Ashleigh irritates the hell out of me sometimes.

It was the Sheriff's press release, not a ransom letter. It had the QR code on it

 

[Deepinthought52]

I have so many pictures of suspicious cars and people around my street lol. I need to delete some

I don’t delete until i’m confident not a real issue. I trust nothing!

 

[Absoluterubbish]

This post kind of contradicts a post of mine a couple back but it has also stuck out to me that right since the get go the Sheriff has said multiple times that he believes NG is alive. He has framed it as a kidnapping right from the beginning. There’s got to be something they have that has made him think that from the word go. Maybe there was a note at the scene? From the family’s videos they have said the kidnapper has not contacted them directly at all so that makes me think a note was never sent to them

 

[Charlot123]

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Are we too harsh on AG and TC? We have no proof that they are involved.

After all, we might be looking at a very different situation.

Two children, both successful, have demanding lives and careers far away.

The third one lives next to the mom (who owned her house since when? Long, long ago). They are not wealthy. But the daily
needs of the mother are met by them.

I guess everyone knows that Nancy's nest camera had no subscription.

The alarming reason footage of Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance can’t be recovered despite security cameras

The 84-year-old was reported missing on Sunday afternoon after she didn’t attend church.

pagesix.com

The subscription is cheap. So it tells me that Nancy was living frugally as old people do.

So what if AG and TC were good people who didn't bother anyone with their mom's needs? And nothing more than that?

And maybe a mother who is retired and a daughter who is a poet and her hubby who is an elementary school teacher are in a bad spot just because they took it upon themselves to meet all mom's daily needs?

I am not prepared to suspect them unless I have better proof.

 

[MorningDove]

Sorry if this was mentioned earlier, but was watching Nancy Graces recent episode:

She pointed out there's two red smudges (blood) on the brick wall to the right of the front door.

Given that the blood outside was confirmed to be Nancy's this makes me believe that NG walked out and put her hand on the wall. Previously, I only noticed the blood on the ground and I was assuming that maybe she was incapacitated and carried out entirely.

JMO

 

[marloweclover]

Just read a crazy take from a former FBI agent:

he said at one point in sibling video savannah's sister says "Mama, we need you to come home" so she's talking to directly to Nancy as if she has control of coming home herself, and he said that was interesting to him that it seemed to leave the door open a little bit for this not to be a kidnapping.

This is obviously very confusing to me, is it possible she left on own accord? Maybe a psychotic break? or had someone pick her up? Angry at family. Seems far fetched.

I said the same thing when the family video came out. There was a moment in the second section where imo it sounded like "if you are listening and you can come home, please come home."

At the time, I thought they were just covering all the bases. It has occurred to me though that maybe this was voluntary initially, that she had agreed to go with someone, but changed her mind, hence her meds weren't packed up and with her to be taken, and the cameras weren't turned off in advance. The unknown person didn't agree to the change and took her anyway, hence the blood. Imo this is very, very low on the possibilities list, but it seems like nothing has been eliminated yet.

 

[Kapua]

I think I caught some of it. Harvey Levin said that the note had perfect grammar. That it was written and set up perfectly. No mistakes. He doesn’t think that it’s a stupid person. I hate to think what the two deadlines entail.

Anyone wanna take a guess as to how much money the person is asking for? I wonder if it’s an outrageous amount, like $100 million.

They may be educated, but IMHO, it's pretty stupid to kidnap an older person with serious health problems. If the victim dies, the suspects would most likely be looking at a homicide or manslaughter charge (IANAL, MOO.)

 

[MassGuy]

This post kind of contradicts a post of mine a couple back but it has also stuck out to me that right since the get go the Sheriff has said multiple times that he believes NG is alive. He has framed it as a kidnapping right from the beginning. There’s got to be something they have that has made him think that from the word go. Maybe there was a note at the scene? From the family’s videos they have said the kidnapper has not contacted them directly at all so that makes me think a note was never sent to them

I think that's just his way of communicating. The "we believe so and so is alive," is pretty standard. I've actually seen it in cases where you can tell without a doubt law enforcement is looking for a body.

A much better way of handling this would have been to say "we believe a crime occurred in that home," and leave it at that, as opposed to saying she was "abducted in her sleep."

There is no way they could know she actually left that house alive, but that's the picture he's painted. I believe it's entirely possible that this resulted in some opportunist taking advantage of the situation with the ransom notes.

I think they saw blood at the scene, perhaps signs of forced entry, and cameras being messed with. You'd bring in homicide detectives instantly if those things were true.

If there was a note left, then it's weird to communicate again through the media. And if you do communicate with the media, you reference the original note so law enforcement knows you're legit. That doesn't appear to have happened.

 

[LordNikkon]

After seeing this video of the TMZ founder speaking on the situation now I see the problem. Everyone keeps calling it a note when its not a physical note but an email. And its the only way of contact. Now this makes me question why video or pictures weren't sent as proof of life. Yes AI plays a role but its not good enough yet to have AI create a false video or sound bite of the victims voice to answer a question that only she would know.

 

[MorningDove]

I don't think NG is missing because of a real hostage situation. Not real to me. No silly stuff. Something really bad happened and my heart goes out to the Guthrie family! Here we sit dissecting and they are absolutely going through the worst times of their lives!