AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Charlot123]

I think it is just natural to explore that as an option. There are clues that point to the possibility of it being somebody that. NG G. or the family knows, so I think it’s just natural to entertain that thought, especially if a friend of theirs has criminal hx involving money, not specifically target them alone. Jmo

I know. I suspect that it is how it looks: Nancy Guthrie is a widow, who worked hard all her life and lives in a house that is far from modern in the Catalina Foothills rural community. She has been there for a long time. One of the daughters took the care of the mother upon herself as she lives nearby.

But if AG and her husband are not involved, and it seems to me more and more that they were not, can you imagine how their lives might be changing?

I think it is someone who has been watching her, but I doubt it is the family. JMO.

 

[ttjo]

Ashleigh completely stands by her previous reporting, and has spoken to this source "three days in a row." He said today "sometimes when you're taking pot shots you are right on the target."

I just listen, whatever will be will be, I admire her tenacity regardless.

 

[SlimPickens]

If kidnap/ransom is the play here, and the method and location of ransom delivery is electronic and TMZ, respectively, and bitcoin is the means of payment, then it would seemingly have to be someone incredibly confident - and obviously brash - with their computer skills. And fairly young. Perhaps a disillusioned incel type with an overly grandiose sense of (online) self, obsessed with the sound bite culture and material world, and trolls 4Chan, Reddit, and the like for his "sick burn" dopamine hits.

JMO.

 

[Strangeworld]

I don't remember ever jumping around so much on what I think has happened in a missing person case - if it was targeted, someone mentioned a story SG did recently. It's probably been discussed in detail but I can't keep up with the thread anymore, especially since the latest presser.

It does seem IMO like the person knows who Nancy is - whether that be someone in her life, someone connected to someone in her life, or someone who knows her relationship to Savannah. Whether that was through the recent news story or otherwise.

It just seems unlikely to target a person where there isn't a means to pay a high ransom, but in this family, there is a high likelihood they can pay.

The white van is an interesting new piece of information - hopefully if it isn't related someone comes forward i.e. a tradie or similar, and is able to rule it out. It seems to me that if someone was staking out the location, they would be very noticeable IMO based on the area around Nancy's home. I may be wrong but it seems a van loitering would really stand out to others, especially with no markings. Would they take that risk?

What I've been thinking about alot is if it is a ransom/kidnapping, where is she? Local, in another state, in a house or somewhere isolated? It's hard to pinpoint but honestly everyone within driving distance from Nancy's home from 2am to daylight should check their camera footage just in case. You never know, if they did transport her to a suburban area, it may just take one person's camera capturing a person walking Nancy into a home to find her. I wish the presser had broadened this request because if there is a ransom/kidnapper, she could be a few hours away.

 

[tbgo]

Yeah and I can’t imagine a person her age being able to read anything that small. Heck, I would have problems I think!

I don’t know. She had a big online presence and seemed very much with it. I know many people in their 80s who are not tech illiterate. I hope this doesn’t end up like the McStay family. They were missing for years and then they were finally discovered buried out in the desert.

<modsnip: off topic; different case>

 

[Charlot123]

I found an interesting article about the ransom market. It is a business model.

Kidnapping for ransom works like a market. How it is organized is surprising.

Economists and social scientists often think about difficult economic transactions. Surely, one of the trickiest possible transactions is when ransom-payers […]

goodauthority.org

 

[A little bit intuitive]

A person could possibly suffer a fatal blood clot after missing just one day of blood thinner medication.

Former Geriatrics Charge Nurse and current Vascular patient here- Some hypertensive medication may cause a rebound high blood pressure putting patient at risk. If a patient is on a medication for pain due to leg issues, maybe caused by peripheral artery disease, and are not receiving it- pain may cause elevated blood pressure.

 

[aafromaa]

i brought this up several pages back and no one replied but... i want to know if the pacemaker would send an alert to her phone if something irregular was happening to her heart (like if it stopped). if they could access the app and see it was operating normally until it disconnected around 2am, would this not pretty definitively tell them that she left the house alive?

Unless they have changed in the last few years, no, the pacemaker would not send an alert to her phone or to the family’s phone of anything happening in real-time. It might send it to the medical team who would then contact the patient. But at 2am who would see it in a medial office? I’m not sure how that would work. But the patient can access the app and check their battery life and such but these apps are not designed to make the patient or the family aware of a problem with it they are designed to make the medical team aware. But also note they do not typically report a disconnect to the medical team as an alert immediately because there are a variety of reason that the device and phone might not be connected at various times - bathing for example - or perhaps in a location where people are told to turn off their phones like some areas of a hospital or dr office or on an airplane or in a courtroom. I don’t know how long one would have to be disconnected for it to send an alert to the medical team but it would likely be days not hours.

 

[tbgo]

Former Geriatrics Charge Nurse and current Vascular patient here- Some hypertensive medication may cause a rebound high blood pressure putting patient at risk. If a patient is on a medication for pain due to leg issues, maybe caused by peripheral artery disease, and are not receiving it- pain may cause elevated blood pressure.

On top of that the stress of the situation.

 

[Deepinthought52]

It’s off-topic but I had to turn her off one time after she implied that because Bryan Kohberger only had a few contacts in his phone that made him a weirdo - you know, that means that he’s obviously serial killer material. She took a lot of heat for that online with people saying, “Hey, I only have a few contacts in my phone. I’m not about to go out and stab a bunch of people.” Then she made a big deal about his handwriting. She’s like The National Enquirer. She doesn’t care if it messes up a murder investigation, she wants those ratings and clicks. I wish she’d just own up to it or at the very least quit pretending that she’s revealing intimate details because she cares.

What is AB’s background?

 

[Cardgame]

groan. Yes, painful to see that now. After zillions of posts judging the relatives on that misunderstood delay.
It is amazing what can happen on a lightening thread.....
I've been here for a number of years, but I haven't experienced a lightening thread like this one.

Again I say.... I think we are all feeling that Nancy is our own Mother and Savannah our sister.....and thus we comment, judge, and misunderstand like crazy!

Weirdly this morning I suddenly had a thought about why the kidnappers went to the news stations (if the note is legit):

It puts pressure on the family to pay doesn't it? Specifically Savannah, known to be wealthy.

 

[ttjo]

What is AB’s background?

As in where has she worked? She’s Canadian
. Ashleigh Banfield - Wikipedia

 

[Interested Torontonian]

If kidnap/ransom is the play here, and the method and location of ransom delivery is electronic and TMZ, respectively, and bitcoin is the means of payment, then it would seemingly have to be someone incredibly confident - and obviously brash - with their computer skills. And fairly young. Perhaps a disillusioned incel type with an overly grandiose sense of (online) self, obsessed with the sound bite culture and material world, and trolls 4Chan, Reddit, and the like for his "sick burn" dopamine hits.

JMO.

Except the last time she was apparently seen alive was when her son in law dropped her back home.

Leaviing aside the 'bitcoin' aspect - this all involves getting an 80-something lady out of her house without the chaos you'd typically associate with a home invasion - and without the type of injuries you'd expect someone in the house to receive.

 

[Cardgame]

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/savannah-guthrie-missing-mother-investigation-02-05-26

This link has some excellent videos and a great summary for anyone who needs to catch up on the latest.

 

[LadyL]

This post kind of contradicts a post of mine a couple back but it has also stuck out to me that right since the get go the Sheriff has said multiple times that he believes NG is alive. He has framed it as a kidnapping right from the beginning. There’s got to be something they have that has made him think that from the word go. Maybe there was a note at the scene? From the family’s videos they have said the kidnapper has not contacted them directly at all so that makes me think a note was never sent to them

a kidnap just means taken by force and sometimes with a ransom demand
it's established she was taken by force since there were her blooddrops and she's gone
so he didn't necessarily have to have received a ransom demand to describe her as 'kidnapped'

 

[MassGuy]

a kidnap just means taken by force and sometimes with a ransom demand
so it's established she was taken by force since there were her blooddrops and she's gone
so he didn't necessarily have to have received a ransom demand to describe her as 'kidnapped'

That's the issue though. It's not established that she was taken alive by force, just because there are blood drops.

Blood drops alone can't tell you if she was alive as she was being removed, nor can they tell you she was dead at the time.

Calling it a kidnapping is putting out a theory of the crime, and theories need to follow the evidence, not get ahead of it.

 

[crhedBngr]

Wish we'd see a photo or video of Nancy as proof of life.

The fact that we haven't seen this bothers the heck out of me.

JMVHO.

 

[PacoElFlaco]

My wife follows Mexican news closely, and she says a standard tactic among Mexican Cartel kidnappers is to address the ransom note to employers, rather than family members. It's established that Savannh Guthrie's employer, TMZ, received the Guthrie ransom note. This, along with the fact that Tucson is close to the Mexican border, could point to Cartel involvement.

 

[Charlot123]

Former Geriatrics Charge Nurse and current Vascular patient here- Some hypertensive medication may cause a rebound high blood pressure putting patient at risk. If a patient is on a medication for pain due to leg issues, maybe caused by peripheral artery disease, and are not receiving it- pain may cause elevated blood pressure.

A very different profession, and I didn’t verify myself here, but I observed several nanogenarians in the family one of whom is still alive and plays online chess on an iPad.

Elderly people may be frail, but lead a long life once things are organized and predictable. This being said, their metabolism is slow and they depend on daily ambient temperature, amount of fluid, amount of walking, what exactly they drink, habitual food. Of course, the abduction itself is a horrible stress. The blood pressure is expected to go up. Any tiny amount of cold and they can get pneumonia. UTIs are incredibly common. Them being “troopers” depends on the stability of the situation around them. I don’t think it is stable.

These scumbags already hurt Nancy. It seems that I was right in assuming that a blood thinner was on board. I think the blood was from a nosebleed, or any bleeding related to low coagulation, but it tells me that these pieces of thrash who took her have no idea how to deal with the elderly. There is flu going around, did they think of wearing masks around an old woman? <modsnip: unnecessary>

Scumbags and dirtbags. I feel very sorry for Nancy who, I still hope is alive but is going through this situation. And then, very sorry for her children, all three. And very angry with the abductors.

 

[iamshadow21]

My wife follows Mexican news closely, and she says a standard tactic among Mexican Cartel kidnappers is to address the ransom note to employers, rather than family members. It's established that Savannh Guthrie's employer, TMZ, received the Guthrie ransom note. This, along with the fact that Tucson is close to the Mexican border, could point to Cartel involvement.

She's not employed by TMZ.

She is employed by NBC.

MOO