AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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If this was planned and is a true kidnapping for ransom, they could have filled the prescriptions ahead of time, especially if they're common meds. They certainly seem to have thought of everything....
There has to be many ways into Mexico around there they can't block every inch of the border? Could she be over the border?
 
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I take that you did not follow the Jimmy Hoffa or the J Paul Getty case. OK, the J Paul Getty case was just weird. They cut off his fricking ear and sent it to police. (Happened in Italy, not the US)

Actually I think Luigi and Idaho 4 were crazier than this.

I think it was someone who knew NG and is just getting a bit lucky.
I don't know if these ransom emails are hoaxes are not. Going out to the scene again could be to verifiy that these emails are not hoaxes.

Jayme Closs is a case that always sticks with me.
 
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I just had a horrible thought.
The plea from the family included we will pay if you indeed have Nancy.
What if they paid anyway out of fear and without proof of life, and they are getting Nancy's body back ?
Was thinking same thing
 
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What are the chances this is a thrill crime? Someone put great effort into planning and pulling this off. Maybe they aren’t motivated by the money, they just want to see if they can do it. Seems like they’re having fun with the media hoopla and playing chess with the fbi.
Oh as sick as people are for sure. To toy with an 84 year old lady like this you have to be one of those sickos on the dark web who holds a person hostage, people pay you money and when the total is reached all the people who paid get to watch the execution. I saw this stuff when I was younger on lifetime movies and I was naive to think "no way" but deep dove and it is unreal how sick dark web is.
 
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A pacemaker continues to work as long as it detects a LIVING heartbeat. (Battery life is 8-10 years.). I believe they operate with RFIDs. IMO, that and the Apple Watch data may help to locate Nancy. Seems it would be possible to re-synch the watch if it comes in close range or the pacemaker is identified near a specific tower.
Info from Google search: An Apple Watch cannot detect a pacemaker in a dead person, as the watch is designed to monitor human pulse and blood flow, not electronic device signals. If a person passes away, the Apple Watch will stop recording heart rate data because it can no longer detect blood flow or pulse, and it may lock itself, thinking it is no longer on a wrist.
 
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Any link to the new note and search at her home?
 
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I’ve followed some unprecedented cases on here (idaho4, Jayme closs, Luigi) but this one takes the cake.

Wildest one I’ve ever followed, and it’s not even close.
The vallow/daybell case was pretty out there!
 
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This doesn't sound good. Unless they are are searching for something the alleged kidnapper left for LE to find

That worries me, too.
 
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In Harvey Levin's opinion, who first saw the ransom note, he said it's "well written" (which I am dubious of watching Harvey) and went on to say "it's definitely not AI".

But that's his opinion and a lot of leaks in this case are majorly framed in speculation (including the Sheriff)
There's software designed to detect AI, and there are a lot of telltale signs of AI as well.
 
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Just got a TMZ notification and jumped ........... it was to say that Kelsea Ballerini and Chase Stokes broke up.....
Had a chuckle from your comment, thanks. :)
All the best to Kelsea and Chase in their new directions in life.... :rolleyes:

Although it sounds like there's movement in this case now ?
As far as Nancy's abduction (& I don't believe she left willingly); my guess would be that it was to hurt her family or just SG ?

It's just so odd in this day and age to have a person kidnapped for ransom even though bitcoin may make it easier.
Rare for it to happen at all !
Imo.
 
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Yes but so what if it proves it is same losers as first note. Doesn't prove they still have her alive or ever did after that night. Still doesn't even prove they are not some college kids trying to make some bit coin off this. If they ever find out the person sending these isn't connected and took away manpower from a real investigation throw away the key.
 
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This is crazy. It's either a complete coincidence with the timing of the 2nd ransom note or LE just got back some results from the lab that is tied to Nancy's house.
Wasn't the letter received at 11am MST? Why wait so long to double check what was written in the note? It would've been the easiest way to initially verify it.
 
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And at the press conference yesterday, the Sheriff stated that they have been checking with pharmacies to see if any of NG's prescription medicines have been refilled. So it seems to me that LE know that her prescription medicines were left behind.
What pharmacy would refill a NG prescription with all the publicity?
 

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