AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[outloudthink]

The neighbors 44 year old son has a criminal record that includes Criminal Trespass and Stalking. And, ironically, owns or previously owned a roofing company.

 

[Baba O'Riley]

If this question is not allowed please feel free to delete it. If this band member having a questionable personality is true could he have been waiting for her when she was dropped off? People were talking about this band member the other day and said someone claimed a few members of this band need looked at. Did they mean an actual band or a band as in group of friends who hang out. When I use the word band I always mean a musical act but some people still use it as "band of brothers"

SIl is a member of a local musical band from what I read.

 

[birdbox]

I think we might be reading too much into the “exact time” her pacemaker disconnected from her phone. My dad has had a pacemaker for 15 years and recently got a new one. His doesn’t continuously sent data to his phone. It transmits it when he is sleeping usually between the hours of 12am-3am. If his phone isn’t near by it will try again a little while later and then eventually send him a notification that it couldn’t connect. Everything I’ve researched online has stated that others are the same way and they aren’t continuously sending data.

I say this because people are making a big deal about the big time lapse between when the camera broke and the pacemaker disconnected, but the pacemaker could have been out of range before 2:28am. I think it’s more likely that the 2:12am detection of a person was them leaving with her.

Im mentioning it from a very technical standpoint because if the attacker knew the pacemakers had a range of contact with her phone, they may have wanted the phone near her while they were moving about the home, possibly placing it in her car as a last thing to do before loading her up. Another technical detail I'll mention since I am going down the rabbit hole is pacemakers ping every second basically. The readon is so at the Dr's office they can connect up to install updates. Pacemakers are actually easy to hack and we studied them in my PhD program in regards to cyber security. I won't go in more detail but as part of a cyber security investigation id want to know every detail. And also if she steps within 7 meters of any hospital or dr office it would pick up her device mac address. So, if it were LE, id get her device mac address and let hospitals and dr offices know to see if they have equipment to pick up her device if it came in range. Far fetched. Yes. But believe it or not, its an actual topic that ive studied in a cyber war class.

 

[Sadi]

Maybe the ransomer hasn't provided proof of life because it's not possible.

A ransomer who is willing to abduct a victim might be willing to collect a ransom without ever intending to return the victim.

It's not a movie.

JMO

I believe you’re on target again.

 

[MommaV]

I just don't see NG walking into her home and getting inside in the matter of two minutes unless she was using a "hurry cane," and Tommaso dropped her off and peeled wheels out of there...

IOW, this just doesn't make common sense to me. Anyone--unless you hate your MIL--is respectful and helpful. You are going to stop the car, open the garage door, walk her in at her pace, open the other door leading to the home (which might require a key??), go inside with her, ask her if there is anything that you can do for her before you leave...All that requires more than two minutes.

JMO.

He may have walked her in the home through the garage, but left out the front door.

 

[moonbeams]

the van, has been reported

but has not been shown to have been "collected" in any MSM or X or other sources....

 

[aafromaa]

I find timelines to be very helpful (especially in a case like this where there are a lot of moving parts and lots of speculation) so I spent a while putting together a timeline (side note: I did not use AI to research or assemble this, just a bunch of my time and brainpower!). If I missed anything, please let me know!

All times are in MST unless otherwise indicated. Sources are listed in parenthesis – when possible, information is from LE, either Sheriff Nanos or FBI Special Agent in Charge Heith Janke… Snipped by me

Thank you! I love that you included the sources. I really was just thinking last night that it would be helpful anytime a WSer creates a timeline to include the sources. Kudos to you!

 

[Bridger]

We didn’t start the comments. I’m allowed my opinion.

Of course you are. The question is whether you are allowed to express them in this thread. I really, really hope the answer is that you (and everyone else talking about DJT) is NOT allowed to do that here.

 

[connie9030]

Thanks for sharing. That is something I hadn’t considered but it is a real possibility that she just simply wasn’t in range for her normal sync and that’s why it shows disconnected at that time because it (pacemaker) wasn’t “looking” for her until the scheduled sync time. (That could very well be around the 2:30am mark every day)

Don't pacemakers transmit alerts to the doctor outside the scheduled sync time if the patient has atrial fibrillation or slow/fast heart rates? I thought just non-triggering data was sent at a scheduled time each day.

 

[turaj]

I think pointing out that he may or may not be a reliable source of information isn't poltics. He put the words out there, so they can be discussed. It has nothing to do with politics but whether they are a reliable source of information IMO

commenting on DJT is no different than the discussion we have had here on AB or other reports of progress in the case. Nothing political about it from our end.

 

[Walela]

I'm wondering at this stage and with reveal of white van was the evening staged .
NG goes to dinner and game night in uber so spider sees her leave

Gets dropped home by SIL into a spider lair at a prearranged time

NG is bundled into van and has a bleed in the process . Watch and phone placed there ,she never went into the house ,she was taken at the door and everything else was like a staging of a scene

As another poster states this is not about the bitcoin for the orchestrator, its about the inheritance, the bitcoin is payment for whoever is holding her

Just my 2 cents

The following is a thought experiment only......
What if it is about the house itself? What if someone's elderly mobility challenged medication dependent relative (I'll call this person XS) was going to move into an assisted living situation and put the house on the market. The relative (I'll call this person(s) XX) believes the financial gain will be lost paying for the assisted living and talks XS into allowing XX to move into the house until XS passed away. Then suddenly, without warning, XS changes their mind, deciding they do not require assisted living and will stay where they are and takes the house off the market. This action puts XX in a bad situation financially because XX has already has given up their current residence and is now forced to purchase or lease a home they cannot afford. Some time goes by and XX financial situation does not improve, in fact it gets worse and the previous "agreement" which feels like a betrayal to XX, festers and eats away at their rational thought. They are continuing to provide more and more care for XS and feel as if other relatives are not responding favorably to their attempts to get XS into assisted living so they can get out from under their financial burden and return to the agreement of them living in XSs house. They hatch a kidnap plan to prove XS cannot take care of theirself living alone and it is oh so dangerous for their safety. The plan was never to harm XS, only hold him/her long enough to assure that after being returned, living alone in the house would never be an option.
my outside-of-the-box thought only.

 

[FSUSeminoles]

Sure, denial is a large part of grief, as is bargaining, but something about their methods here seems less irrational and more calculated to me. I admittedly go back and forth on what happened, but I can't shake the idea that this family wouldn't devote this much of their time and resources to an irrational pipe dream at a time that their efforts could potentially be more valuable elsewhere. For example, if the family didn't have strong suspicion and perhaps even compelling evidence that a kidnap/ransom occurred, I imagine SG might be utilizing her public platform a bit differently to try to find her Mom.

JMO.

 

[moonbeams]

So can we stop bashing on Aphrodite Jones now? Good lord.

spotting a van is not the same meaning as "collecting". IMO collecting something means that LE has found the van... not that it was spotted.

 

[turaj]

The neighbors 44 year old son has a criminal record that includes Criminal Trespass and Stalking.

and sure hope that tip is run to ground just like all the rest.

 

[Baba O'Riley]

Frank Sinatra Jr.......only one I know of.

and that was in 1963.

 

[MissPie]

SO -- I've waited before making any comment because I felt we were all rushing to judgement. It's a human reaction to pin the crime on one of the nearest relatives, but it can also backfire. I know Savannah personally, and the last thing I want to do is bring more pain to the Guthrie family. Imagine if your mom was abducted and the public was pointing the finger at you. The sting would be that much greater. All that said, as of this AM, they have collected the elusive white van and as you all know, a second note was sent to KOLD yesterday which has been verified as coming from the same encrypted server. This note apparently made contact with the family, responding to the videos made by Savannah and her siblings. We now have President Trump indicating that officials are close to identifying the abductor or abductors. The horrible thing now, of course, is that we have no proof of life. I PRAY that Nancy is alive after being without her meds for 7 days. It is totally possible. Let's remember that. In fact, billboards are now being put up in AZ and surrounding states asking for the public's help. The hard question now is: WOULD YOU HIT SEND to give millions in crypto to this abductor before the deadline on Monday? If no one is caught this weekend, Savannah will be struggling with the possibility that non-payment could mean death for her mom... MY HEART IS BREAKING FOR HER...

Perhaps @tricia or another moderator could weigh in on this post to let everyone know if this comment “All that said, as of this AM, they have collected the elusive white van” needs further verification. I believe Tricia may be able to suss out what’s going on here. I think we all are just trying to understand where this information came from. From SG directly (as AJ says she knows SG), or from another verifiable source?

 

[mainemom376]

IMO This is not a political forum/thread. Please stop all comments for and against DJT. Please report me. May be a moderator will comment on whatever Websleuths position is.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Scroll and roll. This is not in any way keeping with the thread of NG. JMO

 

[LAborn]

Regardless of one's thoughts on him or this particular action, he did facilitate the cherry picking of the president of a 1st world Western nation out of his own palace in the middle of the night, and in just an hour or two, so I'd prefer to think that any perceived grandstanding by him can generally be backed up, and that any resources he has authorized in this case will be similarly utilized and ultimately prove fruitful.

JMO.

Which is an international crime. If another country did that to the US, can you imagine the backlash?!?

 

[Nikynoo]

DBM

 

[emigrate]

Is this the link you were requesting; that the white van has been located? I have highlighted it in red.
If not ‘the first reporting in the thread of a white van’ was from a neighbor who contacted investigators that a white van was observed on NG street or perhaps near her drive way?

If they have the van they have the VIN number, so they should already have it figured out? Pretty hard to take every VIN number out of a vehicle it isn't just on the dash anymore it is on many various areas in vehicles nowadays I have been told by my local car dealership owner.