• #26,881
This may be a stupid question but here it is: Does the FBI have the capability to clone the encrypted Bluetooth specific pacemaker information to other phones? If so, if any phone synced to NG’s pacemaker she would have to be within 50’ alive or otherwise correct? A pacemaker battery has charge for 7-10yrs and continues until removed. 50’ isn’t a very big area but could be helpful. Idk just a thought.
very good idea
 
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AG isn't proven to be a victim at this time
 
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IMO, LE is giving away very few details because they are hoping they will find the perp and he might inadvertently reveal a fact not previously known to the public. I still maintain the perp is a delusional person, in love with SG . Whatever his age is, has nothing to do with whatever age SG is. He has fashioned to himself that they are a couple. He has probably sought SG's attention in various ways through social media without acknowledgment. He may have been in the area and planning for awhile. I thought his body language as he approached the door was that he was, for an instant, psyching himself up to carry out his plan. ALL OF THIS IS MOO. I haven't heard the media even speculate on a stalker..TO ME, that is telling. JMO
 
  • #26,885
Does anyone buy into a theory that distraction from some world events/events could have motivated the commission of this crime? Or does anyone completely rule that out as a motive? Can anyone cite a crime having been committed in order to distract attention?

I find this theory interesting but it seems far-fetched. Others?
I think somebody didn't want savanna going to the Olympics
 
  • #26,886
TMZ Receives Third Email in Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping, Demanding Higher Reward
TMZ Receives Third Email in Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping, Demanding Higher Reward
This is so disturbing. Honestly, I hope they find this person and charge them for obstruction of justice. If he has information then he needs to do it the right way, not dangle a carrot while a women’s life hangs in the balance. Heck, anyone could write these emails. You never give money to someone before you know if they have credible information. To be honest, this sets a huge precedent for future cases if they give this person what he’s requesting. I hope they don’t, but do hope they find who’s sending these emails. MOO
 
  • #26,887
I don't think so, because the blood isn't present in the doorbell camera video .
The Lantana looks very dry and it may have been blown around by the wind, and trodden on by family members / police / reporters, at any time after the blood landed.

The puzzling thing to me is why the blood doesn't appear to have been trodden on or smeared, either by nancy or the assailant.

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In a wider shot, I see what could possibly be shoe prints in the blood. They're sort of a more square looking pattern, but there could be another reason for it. It's around 4 rows down from the front wall and five rows from the left side.
 
  • #26,888
My theory is one man, either planned sexual assault and accidental killing or planned murder, probably done this or similar before. Targeted due to being vulnerable and the property being isolated.

Ransom notes either unrelated or part of the killer’s game, did not know she had a famous daughter, he could be getting a thrill out of the media frenzy and also likely to be watching the scene, enjoying talking to LE and media. Thinks they have no clue and there’s no way he will be caught (deluded).
See I’m feeling kind of the opposite,,,that she WAS targeted because of her famous daughter, that it WAS a kidnapping for ransom, and that, because of her fragile health, she (sadly) didn’t survive the ordeal.

Honestly if I woke up to that scary individual in my house/ bedroom, I’d likely have a heart attack. And I’m fairly healthy, not on meds or pacemaker…knock on wood.

Having not survived, there was thus no way to provide proof of her life, even though perhaps with a ransom not, he still tried. All MOO of course, but one which makes most sense. Especially if someone was potentially googling her address and how to stay anonymous with Bitcoin.
 
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IMO, LE is giving away very few details because they are hoping they will find the perp and he might inadvertently reveal a fact not previously known to the public. I still maintain the perp is a delusional person, in love with SG . Whatever his age is, has nothing to do with whatever age SG is. He has fashioned to himself that they are a couple. He has probably sought SG's attention in various ways through social media without acknowledgment. He may have been in the area and planning for awhile. I thought his body language as he approached the door was that he was, for an instant, psyching himself up to carry out his plan. ALL OF THIS IS MOO. I haven't heard the media even speculate on a stalker..TO ME, that is telling. JMO
Normally a stalker would stalk the focus of their obsession not the persons 84 yr old mother.
 
  • #26,891
Not another scammed?
This isn’t the ransom emails. This is the same individual that has wrote TMZ three times saying they know who the kidnapper is and will tell if they give 1 bitcoin worth 68k.
 
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This is so disturbing. Honestly, I hope they find this person and charge them for obstruction of justice. If he has information then he needs to do it the right way, not dangle a carrot while a women’s life hangs in the balance. Heck, anyone could write these emails. You never give money to someone before you know if they have credible information. To be honest, this sets a huge precedent for future cases if they give this person what he’s requesting. I hope they don’t, but do hope they find who’s sending these emails. MOO
But i believe sending the 50k is a way to track down this person. Bitcoin can be traced. If he tells the truth they have their perp, if he doesn't he will def withdraw the 50k at some point and expose himself.
Also, 50k is not that much for SG or her friends, fam and employer, etc.
Idk, JMO
 
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My theory is one man, either planned sexual assault and accidental killing or planned murder, probably done this or similar before. Targeted due to being vulnerable and the property being isolated.

Ransom notes either unrelated or part of the killer’s game, did not know she had a famous daughter, he could be getting a thrill out of the media frenzy and also likely to be watching the scene, enjoying talking to LE and media. Thinks they have no clue and there’s no way he will be caught (deluded).
This could tie in with all the serial killer movie quotes the Guthries used in their pleas. Maybe the perp has some sort of fantasy about being "Buffalo Bill" from Silence of the Lambs and wants to LARP the plot. I do think he knew who she was, though.
 
  • #26,895
I don't trust that this person tells the truth but i wonder if i would just pay anyway if i had the supposedly 40 mil net worth of SG 🤔
At this point, I would pay the ransom. I'd want my mother back ASAP.
 
  • #26,896
Very detailed new ransom: It should be published any minute I'd think so you all know. He sounds very, well literate. He is about knowing WHO did this crime still. Same crypto address as all along. Just in.
 
  • #26,897
I think all these emails from this alleged source are bull****. If he were serious you'd think he'd provide a small detail or bit of information to make the FBI sit up in their seats. This just sounds like standard scammer fare.
 
  • #26,898
When I go to my home, or a few trusted others, my phone connects automatically to the Wi-Fi. Is there a record somewhere of devices that connect to a Wi-Fi network, that would be viewable?

I'm just thinking aloud, but if an accident had happened at the dinner, and it was decided that it needed to be covered up, someone could have driven to the NG's house, opened and closed the garage door to make it seem like she was dropped off, then gone back to finish getting things in order. The person then could have put NG in the car, put her purse, phone, watch, etc., in a backpack and driven it all back to her house. Disabled the camera, taken the personal items inside and arranged them as though NG had done it, then driven NG elsewhere, at which time the pacemaker would have disconnected from the phone.

But if there was a record that her phone connected to her home Wi-Fi around the time the garage door opened, it would support that she was probably actually dropped off at that time, and the person who took her is more likely a stranger.

MOO
 
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AG isn't proven to be a victim at this time
under this site's TOS she is presumed a victim unless or until she is named a POI or suspect by LE. Meaning we aren't to be sleuthing her and we certainly aren't meant to be mocking her. We can discuss what is said about her in the press and what she says in the press.

eta link to rules about that Rules - Etiquette & Information
 

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