• #30,301
Interesting tidbit while we all ponder where Nancy Guthrie may be. We all hope she will be found alive, but in the event she has passed where would her body be?

AI response to the question, “Where do murderers like to hide bodies?”.

Based on forensic research and historical criminal cases, murderers often select dump sites that balance isolation (to avoid detection) with accessibility
. These sites are often familiar to the offender, such as areas near their home, workplace, or along familiar travel routes.
Common dump sites used by murderers include:
  • Remote or Wooded Areas: Heavily thicketed or forested areas that are accessible by car but out of public view are frequently used. Examples include Baltimore’s Leakin Park.
  • Waterways and Swamps: Deep, murky, or remote bodies of water are commonly used, such as the Louisiana Swamps or various bayous.
  • Roadsides and Deserts: Remote stretches of highways, particularly in high desert regions, are frequently used to dump bodies. The I-40 corridor in the US has been identified as a significant site for highway serial killings.
  • Alleys and Urban Debris: In urban areas, victims are often discarded in alleys or behind buildings, sometimes covered by existing trash.
  • Industrial Sites and Landfills: Abandoned industrial areas, construction debris sites, or landfill areas are used to conceal bodies.
  • Properties Linked to the Offender: Studies indicate that in cases with preplanning, offenders are more likely to dispose of bodies on their own property, such as under homes, in crawl spaces, or in basements.
Key Factors in Site Selection
Research into serial murder suggests that offenders tend to use "killing fields"—specific, recurring areas—that allow them to return to the victims to relive their crimes. Many of these sites are chosen because they are on the fringes of urban areas, often referred to as "the boondocks," where bodies can remain hidden for long periods.
 
  • #30,302
Agreed, body is in the desert, a ravine, off a country road, not in a neighborhood. Hidden in brush, not buried. Sorry, I hope I’m wrong… JMO

JMO
That's usually where bodies are disposed of: in the wilderness for obvious reasons. I don't know why they were intent on the property, because I don't think that could have been done that night without detection.
 
  • #30,303
Quick question regarding the glove(s). Could a finger print be left inside a glove? Depending on the type of glove?
 
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You are right! Even church friends may have unsavory grandkids. Since she lived there so long, undoubtedly some (young, bad actor) people might think up a plan.
I think that POV has merit. People can sort of brag to others about people they know who have a connection to someone famous w/o realizing that person hearing it might not be the most trustworthy….
Say one of Nancy’s church friends mentions at her book club…”my friend Nancy is Samantha Cuthrie’s mom and she just doesn’t act like she has a famous daughter. Nancy is just so down to earth.”
And someone who heard that repeats it at her Thanksgiving dinner where her niece’s boyfriend hears it and he is maybe not so nice…
He then could see an opportunity to make some money.

Not to say that is what happened—but I bet within Nancy’s close circle of friends there are those who have mentioned her connection to Samantha with others who don’t know Nancy at all…
 
  • #30,305
Very interested to see if the DNA on the gloves matches whatever DNA they found inside the home.
 
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Maybe? the time stamp information seems to be either not available or just not released to the public yet on the camera. That information would tell us how spaced apart the entrance to the home verses the abduction took place. Hell could be a totally different day at this point. Also I would think a burglar would go to the side or back of the home or somewhere that's not so clear to public view. I keep thinking they have a lot more video that they haven't released yet. I still cant keep thinking about why they would take her out the front door and not the side of the home. Some are saying the blood drops appear that she was being carried over the shoulder so would seem to me that on the side of the home they could have had more time to get her placed in a get away vehicle. Any talk of tire marks? And lastly in the video when they go to grab the plant out of the ground they hesitate and look up and way for a second. Could they be looking at a second perp or a car or what got their attention? is there audio on the video? There's my brain dump!
Yeah, it’s hard to keep up with everything here, then add in the news too. I’m not sure what to think.
 
  • #30,307
There is something I don't understand. The way TMZ inserted themself, I don't understand why they don't pay the ransom themself. It's a small payment compared to what they gain. With the information they can go to the authorities en cash in the reward + they will have the biggest scoop they can dream of. So why don't they? I think they don't trust the writer of the notes or they knew all along it was fake messages. They said the location of the applewatch was 'accurate', how do they know? Noone else said it was accurate.
 
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I’m going to hope the RR is connected, but since no arrest (yet) which would have likely happened if visible evidence was connected to Nancy.

What if this vehicle was seized because the belief was it was acquired illicitly, possibly through drug trafficking? I could think that would be why it could be seized, yet no drugs were found therefore no arrest.

 
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I looked at some videos and photos posted about that traffic stop and I did not see any dogs sitting by LE or sniffing around outside of car. But that doesn’t mean they were not there.
Personally I think they sprayed Luminol inside car and maybe found hits in spots not usually cleaned during a car’s detailing…like maybe ceiling
There was some interest in why LE wanted to swab RR, before it was loaded up on flatbed, taken to LE area for further detailing. One of the reporters mentioned swabbing behind tarp. ( just memory).

They must have thought something was important enough to get the DNA to lab quicker, instead of waiting for the secure area to examine. Maybe just a quick look first, save one day getting results back.

JMO
 
  • #30,310
Quick question regarding the glove(s). Could a finger print be left inside a glove? Depending on the type of glove?
No idea but those gloves look to be heavier nitrile or rubber (because they seem thicker w/o seams on fingers) so might have smooth surface inside fingers that might trap fingerprints…imo
 
  • #30,311
The camera the FBI agent appeared to have removed from the guest house looks to have had wires that she disconnected before she removed it.
The wires went to the small solar panel that powered the device. The solar panel was visible in the same drone footage.
 
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Quick question regarding the glove(s). Could a finger print be left inside a glove? Depending on the type of glove?
Definitely. Latex, nitrate, etc
There are articles out there but I'm too busy to find them at the moment.
 
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Can anyone elaborate on what they think the federal warrant would have been? Meaning, would it have to have been the ransom only?

I’m not an expert but the regs leave a lot open to involve the fbi in kidnappings and allow for federal warrants. Ransom, the use of an instrument of interstate commerce such as a cell phone to commit a kidnapping and abducted victims if not located within 24 hours can allow for the presumption of an interstate kidnapping…among others.
 
  • #30,314
I think that POV has merit. People can sort of brag to others about people they know who have a connection to someone famous w/o realizing that person hearing it might not be the most trustworthy….
Say one of Nancy’s church friends mentions at her book club…”my friend Nancy is Samantha Cuthrie’s mom and she just doesn’t act like she has a famous daughter. Nancy is just so down to earth.”
And someone who heard that repeats it at her Thanksgiving dinner where her niece’s boyfriend hears it and he is maybe not so nice…
He then could see an opportunity to make some money.

Not to say that is what happened—but I bet within Nancy’s close circle of friends there are those who have mentioned her connection to Samantha with others who don’t know Nancy at all…
Agreed 💯 PERCENT.
 
  • #30,315
There is something I don't understand. The way TMZ inserted themself, I don't understand why they don't pay the ransom themself. It's a small payment compared to what they gain. With the information they can go to the authorities en cash in the reward + they will have the biggest scoop they can dream of. So why don't they? I think they don't trust the writer of the notes or they knew all along it was fake messages. They said the location of the applewatch was 'accurate', how do they know? Noone else said it was accurate.
Could they get in some sort of legal trouble if they did so? Especially if things went sideways?
 
  • #30,316
This. Until they solve it, they don't know where the evidence will lead them. imo.
Yep and still waiting on recent lab samples to come in. It's an ongoing process.
 
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Quick question regarding the glove(s). Could a finger print be left inside a glove? Depending on the type of glove?
Great question!
 
  • #30,318
Lantana guy's gloves looked distinctive. If that's true, there could be a chance they have the DNA of Lantana guy. And, then it seems reasonable to think that Lantana guy's might be in CODIS.

Seems strange for a criminal to discard their gloves within 2 miles of the crime, knowing there's a chance your DNA is on them. Cutting them up and flushing them down a toilet, throwing them in with garbage at a dumpster or disposing of them in a way where it's highly unlikely the gloves would be found would make more sense.

JMO
 
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I’m going to hope the RR is connected, but since no arrest (yet) which would have likely happened if visible evidence was connected to Nancy.

What if this vehicle was seized because the belief was it was acquired illicitly, possibly through drug trafficking? I could think that would be why it could be seized, yet no drugs were found therefore no arrest.

But drugs alone are not connected to this case—nothing so far from any LE source that says drugs are part of the crime—if there is, I certainly haven’t read or heard it. BG has never mentioned drugs in his reports.
Why would the sheriff call the driver/owner (?) a person of interest in NG case (already posted that link in another comment) because the car was acquired illicitly???
 
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If it were some bizarre attempt at revenge against SG I think the person would have left a note or message to that effect, that would be the whole point of revenge is to take credit and hurt the person.

I'm sticking with my new theory, it's a random home invasion gone wrong, he took the time to extract the body and dump it somwhere remote. the guy in the doorbell video just looks like a random bad guy to me.

One thing I’ve learned from my years of following true crime is it’s a huge mistake to believe LE immediately shares with the public everything found at the crime scene. They only tell us what they think we should know, reason is mainly to get leads from the public.

Maybe part of the reason might be psychological, to cause the criminal to puzzle over if the note or message was found? But I’d say almost always there’s holdback evidence, for one reason I suppose is to separate true confessions from false confessions.
JMO
 

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