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Fox reporting that the glove found looks similar to the nitrile glove worn by the suspect . And they have sent the glove for analysis.
I don’t think the glove would have been dumped in an exposed area. Just my opinion.
 
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From article, "Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house, the spokesperson said, noting that most of them were searchers’ gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity."

i hope those involved were reprimanded for littering their gloves like trash and wasting time on unnecessary testing.

A lot of this case, especially in the beginning, seemed like a waste of time, unfortunately. Thank goodness the FBI has taking over.
 
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Did I read the sheriff said it could take years to find NG? Obviously, then, he believes she is deceased.

What do the people of Tucson think of the sheriff?
This is a very common posture for a Sheriff to take, he wants to be in charge, he is an elected official. FBI came in to help, and he may even like some of what they do, but in the end, he wants to take the credit. Especially when the case is solved.

I think he stuck his foot into his mouth saying it could be years to find NG. He meant it and believed it, but the wrong thing to say, not sensitive to victims.

JMO
 
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NO, imo YOU WOULDNT LEAVE A RANSOM NOTE at the scene. Paper might have random fingerprints from when you wrote it from home. Paper can be tracked. Handwriting could be compared in court. It removes the suspense factor. Perp is OBSESSED with SG.."you spurned me" "You left NBC to have surgery and never told me. . Twist for a few hours". " Now, you must give me the attention I deserve!" Hauling around a piece of paper whether handwritten or printed from a computer, can leave traces. Internet, so far, has eluded the cops. He sent ransom notes. He let everyone live with the shock factor of NG's kidnaping. Then he taunts them with ransom notes. and of course, he couldnt write the note while in NG's house. He might need to take his gloves off. I JMO
Where did you get the note quotes from ?
 
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Yes, but usually only partial prints due to the pulling/tugging to get them off. You would have a better chance of extracting dna than obtaining usable prints, but it has been done. Unfortunately in this case it looks like the gloves were double layered. Unless the outer, found glove was tried on for fit, forensics may not be able to extract dna or prints from the outer glove.
He may have had to put the glove on or take it off, bare-handed. JMO Or, handled them when he purchased them?
 
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It jis job and if he can not do what is best for Nancy he need to step aside.
 
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I don’t think the glove would have been dumped in an exposed area. Just my opinion.
It's difficult to imagine the suspect being so careless. You'd think they'd burn them. I'm afraid this may prove to be another deadend.
 
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TMZ paying the ransom would be interfering with an LE investigation.
Would it? That's what HL said, but would it really?
 
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There is something I don't understand. The way TMZ inserted themself, I don't understand why they don't pay the ransom themself. It's a small payment compared to what they gain. With the information they can go to the authorities en cash in the reward + they will have the biggest scoop they can dream of. So why don't they? I think they don't trust the writer of the notes or they knew all along it was fake messages. They said the location of the applewatch was 'accurate', how do they know? Noone else said it was accurate.
TMZ are loving this, imagine what a boost it has been to his site,
 
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The pair found in the field - is it one of those that has the DNA on it? Or is it a glove found at her home that has DNA on it?

This is good to hear!!!
The sheriff recently clarified that no glove was found at the residence.

This particular glove is said to have been found 2 miles from the residence, has a strangers DNA and "may be a match (ie looks similar) to the masked man's gloves.
Source

Let's hope they find a direct or familial DNA match in the CODIS database. Although it's worth remembering that this could be anyone's random glove, not necessarily masked man.
 
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It's difficult to imagine the suspect being so careless. You'd think they'd burn them. I'm afraid this may prove to be another deadend.
Criminals are mostly stupid IMO, lucky for LE as they more often than not convict themselves with there stupidity
 
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Those closest to NG will hopefully have been extensively questioned about her routines and schedule. Neighbours also, people at her Church and those who zoomed in to SG's church.
Without having that picture, we wise Web Sleuths are missing so much. There was a lot of chat initially about what an 84 year old can do and what they may struggle with. It was often very generic and quite demeaning in some instances. In terms of NG, none of us know exactly how her medical and mobility issues affected her. With my own nearly 80 year old mother who lives alone - I know exactly her limitations and strengths. I do know that this generation is often quite "tough" and enjoy their independence. My Mum, like NG, has lived in her house for a very long time. It's now too big for her, but she won't move and I won't push her on this.

Motives seem to boil down IMO to:

1. To hurt SG or another member of the family (a grudge, a debt?)
2. Money - either from NG directly or in the form of a ransom
3. Robbery - gone wrong - so the aim was to break in and steal.
4. Mental illness and a fascination with either SG or NG therefore a distorted motive.
5. Their moment of fame - knowing that this would be big news given the SG connection.
6. A wider gang related crime, whose motive was to send a message to someone or something?
Sexual predator
 
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Yes, but usually only partial prints due to the pulling/tugging to get them off. You would have a better chance of extracting dna than obtaining usable prints, but it has been done. Unfortunately in this case it looks like the gloves were double layered. Unless the outer, found glove was tried on for fit, forensics may not be able to extract dna or prints from the outer glove.
Good to know, thanks much 👍
 
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There is something I don't understand. The way TMZ inserted themself, I don't understand why they don't pay the ransom themself. It's a small payment compared to what they gain. With the information they can go to the authorities en cash in the reward + they will have the biggest scoop they can dream of. So why don't they? I think they don't trust the writer of the notes or they knew all along it was fake messages. They said the location of the applewatch was 'accurate', how do they know? Noone else said it was accurate.
Because journalists aren't supposed to insert themselves into the story. Journalists report the story. Harvey Levin is also a lawyer. I am confident TMZ has a lot of house counsel or lawyers on retainers. Paying the ransom was not their job. Ransom writer wants money and attention from SG. She sure is paying attention to PERP NOW! imo. I am confident TMZ was sent ransom notes, imo because they are an entertainment outlet. Probably another source obsessed perp uses to stalk SG.

The more important and distressing angle is that SG, in third video, said WE WILL PAY. She didnt. Perp is again spurned by his fantasy lover..JMO MOO
 
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They really have had a lot on this case. More than they do when British people go missing here tbh

Agreed, body is in the desert, a ravine, off a country road, not in a neighborhood. Hidden in brush, not buried. Sorry, I hope I’m wrong… JMO

JMO
I think if Nancy is deceased, it would make sense that her body has been buried in the desert. This keeps the body "safe" from animals or weather conditions etc.
Ala "Breaking Bad" and Hank's (the DEA agent) demise, the perps buried him and then noted the coordinates.
If someone pays the ransom re NG's body,
(Not a live one) the perps would be able to give them the coordinates of where she was buried.
 
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To REALLY do a forensic search on a vehicle suspected of transporting a “bleeding” crime victim—remember Nancy’s blood traces on front walk, they would need to basically disassemble that car looking for evidence. They can’t do that in a Culver’s parking lot.
IMO—I think they treated w/Luminol and got hits that gave credibility to that car being used to transport Nancy.

A relatively new car (which I think this one is) wouldn’t have all the opportunity to acquire blood traces like a car that had been used over time and could have all kinds of trace evidence in it. Think soccer mom’s car in family with two dogs, a baby, and various kids going to various places. Or a Range Rover used by a veterinarian to make ranch calls. Or a vehicle used by deer hunter or fisherman—those types of vehicles could legitimately have traces of blood inside that were not from a crime victim.
So they are going on odds of possibility/Occam’s Razor thinking maybe in why they took the Range Rover in and let the Rio Rico car go home.
Does anyone know if the RR was perhaps a rental car?
 
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The sheriff recently clarified that no glove was found at the residence.

This particular glove is said to have been found 2 miles from the residence, has a strangers DNA and looks similar to evil masked man's gloves.
It feels weak. Why would someone go out of their way to completely disguise themselves and then not incinerate or very carefully discard everything? Seems casual to toss a glove.
 
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One thing I’ve learned from my years of following true crime is it’s a huge mistake to believe LE immediately shares with the public everything found at the crime scene. They only tell us what they think we should know, reason is mainly to get leads from the public.

Maybe part of the reason might be psychological, to cause the criminal to puzzle over if the note or message was found? But I’d say almost always there’s holdback evidence, for one reason I suppose is to separate true confessions from false confessions.
JMO
I've been thinking about this a lot as I've been stuck on the question of why they didn't leave any kind of note whether ransom or otherwise at the scene.

I noticed on the NBC News site the timeline they are reporting now indicates the family arrived at the house at @11:56 am after the church friend called them and called 911 at 12:03 pm (I'm not sure if I need to link the site or not here). We don't know what they found inside but it only took minutes for them to see something was very wrong. I'm wondering if one of the things they saw was some kind of communication from whoever took NG that we know nothing about because it's not being shared. I'm not saying it had to be a ransom note, it could have been a "revenge" communication if the theory that this was done to get back at a family member is true.

Admittedly this may seem farfetched but we have no idea what was found inside that house.
 
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From article, "Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house, the spokesperson said, noting that most of them were searchers’ gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity."

i hope those involved were reprimanded for littering their gloves like trash and wasting time on unnecessary testing.

A lot of this case, especially in the beginning, seemed like a waste of time, unfortunately. Thank goodness the FBI has taking over.
It doesn’t make any sense why they would do this at all, ugh. 😩
 

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