AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[barth00]

It's possible that the suspect may have thrown the gloves out of the car within 2 miles of NG's house had no idea that his DNA may have been on them. Maybe he thought there wasn't anything traceable on them and for some reason he wanted to get rid of them ASAP.

Interestingly enough, if he was in such a hurry to get rid of the gloves, perhaps he lived in the area and didn't want them in the car when he got home. And was holding NG in his home or NG had died and he got rid of NG around the same time. Makes no sense to me to be in such a hurry to get rid of his gloves if he has a body in the car. JMO

True, maybe he was wearing two pairs (like a nitrile glove underneath) and this pair was on top, so he assumed they didn’t touch his skin but actually did?
JMO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Thanks for the info re kidnapping.

Also, to add, if the person died during the crime at their home, and the person was then removed, It May not be considered a kidnapping.

In the case that a DB is moved After death, it is murder or manslaughter and tampering with a human body.

This is just my understanding. Thoughts on this?

JMO

That's my understanding. JMO

 

[louvillian08]

KOLD received the first ransom note around 5pm Monday so that’s approx 38 hours after NG was abducted. This is way too long imo.

Even later! It was at 6:42pm. No kidnappers focused on ransom are waiting a day and a half to send a ransom note

A deadline passes as FBI and Nancy Guthrie’s family say there has been no follow-up to ransom note

The FBI said there has been no follow-up communication connected to a ransom letter linked to the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.

www.kold.com

 

[SlimPickens]

Listen to BE.

Most of those found were searcher's gloves? Give a hoot. Don't pollute.

JMO.

 

[fridaybaker]

Is there any reason why they’d make this statement while still waiting for the DNA results? If it doesn’t match the DNA in the house and happens to be unrelated, isn’t that just another defeating nothing burger? JMO

They must be pretty confident it’s the same glove to say this before results even come back

BBM: I don't know about this. Even if it doesn't match DNA in the house, it does have DNA on it and looks like porch guy's glove. We're not entirely sure that porch guy even got into the house. Maybe he was "cleanup"? Maybe he was just a helper. At any rate, he's totally disguised himself and is tampering with NG's front door on her private property. He wasn't here for tea.

It sure seems like he's in a heap of trouble, even sans his DNA inside the house.

 

[VicBlazey]

True, maybe he was wearing two pairs (like a nitrile glove underneath) and this pair was on top, so he assumed they didn’t touch his skin but actually did?
JMO

One of the worst case scenarios here would be if the DNA turns out to belong to NG with no perp DNA present

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

SG stated that NG is frail, with heart issues, pain and that she could walk no further than 50 yards without assistance. I googled those symptoms and it brought up severe cardiovascular, neurological or musculoskeletal damage with likely heart failure. It also mentioned pain-associated frailty. In other words, the person is in so much pain that they don't move around very much, which makes them increasingly frail. Plus, many seniors went "down" during Covid, from being trapped inside for months on end.

Arthritis has made my ankles very stiff, plus painful knees and hips, so I have a hard time with stairs or long walks. Fortunately, I don't have any heart related issues, but I can certainly see how combinations of these issues could be very confining and seriously limit someone's mobility.

I took it that her friend was explaining that she was a determined lady, who wanted to do for herself as much as she could, and to keep moving, even if it required assistance. I applaud her grit in remaining at home with assistance for so long.

Well-said.

 

[Leilei]

I'm curious about the January 11th camera footage that LE is seeking. January 11 was a Sunday. Did the women with whom NG watched church services take turns hosting? Did NG ever host the Sunday morning gatherings? Did she attend or host the women with whom she watched religious services on January 11?

Excellent questions.
Could there have been other people in the hosting homes who weren't normally there on the Sunday viewing get-togethers? - friends of grown kids/grandkids, or friends of spouses? Roommates? People working on stuff around the house - yard, pool?
I've been focusing so much on who could have been to Nancy's house, when it could be someone who saw and met her at a friends or neighbors home instead.
IMO.

 

[justwannahelp]

This is exactly NOT what was said in the FBI statement!

You see. The media is the source of the rumors!

Mods, it’s their fault, not ours! This is wild. Seriously, i cannot believe they got that so wrong and tweeted it

 

[Tamagal]

I can’t stop wondering about the reported two raids, as well as the search of NG’s neighbor’s house, all included a Mother & Son/SIL living together. Thoughts anyone??

 

[SlimPickens]

“The one with the DNA profile is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video”

I think it “appearing to match” is referring to the look/style/physical appearance of the glove.

JMO

Could also be a Walmart brand that they could've already confirmed (or strongly suspect, as with the other garb).

JMO.

 

[Napoli]

Wanna do an experiment? Would your app detect the door opening if you disconnected the overhead cord and manually opened it? It only takes 6 seconds from the exterior of your garage to break in manually unless it is manually locked. Curiosity on my part.

How Thieves Can Break Into Your Home by the Garage Door

In 6 seconds thieves can break into your home by the garage door. Here's a simple thing you can do to prevent home break-ins by the garage.

www.corporatetravelsafety.com

NOT understanding the garage door obsession. She might carry her clicker with her in her pocketbook and as she us being driven into the driveway by SIL, for example, the door goes up. Then she fumbles with pocketbook, leans over to kiss SIL goodbye and carefully gets out of car. Steadies herself with her cane and walks into the garage. She opens or unlocks her door that leads from inside the garage to the house then hits whatever it is she hits to close garage door. I believe Sherriff said time was approximate. She arrived home and entered alone , IMO and was confronted for the first time by Lantana Man at whatever the sheriff said ~ 148 ish or whenever the Nest camera stopped showing Lantana man.. AT SOME POINT, seconds is just nitpicking. IMHO. Nothing is absolute. 2 minutes vs 1 minute 30 seconds or 2 minutes 15 seconds is just not dipositive of ANYTHING, IMO. 2 minutes seems fine to me. JMO..MOO

 

[Skigh]

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True, maybe he was wearing two pairs (like a nitrile glove underneath) and this pair was on top, so he assumed they didn’t touch his skin but actually did?
JMO

Or his fingerprints could have been on the surface of the glove if he handled it bare handed at any time. Maybe taking it out of packaging after purchasing it.

 

[Kapua]

Isn't it simply this? Among the many gloves that have been picked up near her house, there was one which didn't look like the others, which were all gloves used by searchers/LE. That glove, which looked different from the others, DID have DNA on it. They haven't gotten the results of a DNA profile yet, but that glove, that wasn't a searchers glove and had DNA on it, DID look like the one used by porch guy on the video.

Yes?

Not quite. They DID get a DNA profile from that glove that physically looks like the gloves in the surveillance video. They DID NOT enter that DNA profile into CODIS as yet.

 

[BellaToothless]

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Surely one day isn’t a long time for a first ransom request to arrive though?! I don’t think a ransom kidnapper would want to send a ransom demand before they see that the crime has been reported in the news, otherwise they lose the effect of their demand becoming a story in its own right, and the initial shock effect of “What happened to the victim?” setting in with the family, to provoke fear and worry, leave them to “stew in their own juices” for a wil, scared and wondering what could have happened, without knowing anything concrete.

JMO

They also could have left the ransom note at the scene. Strangely this seemed more elaborate.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I don't know about this. Even if it doesn't match DNA in the house, it does have DNA on it and looks like porch guy's glove. We're not entirely sure that porch guy even got into the house. Maybe he was "cleanup"? Maybe he was just a helper. At any rate, he's totally disguised himself and is tampering with NG's front door on her private property. He wasn't here for tea.

It sure seems like he's in a heap of trouble, even sans his DNA inside the house.

He's at least an accessory. Would be great if Lantana guy's DNA was on the gloves and if the insider perpetrator's DNA was inside and that both sides of DNA are in CODIS. If only one person's DNA found, still great, since that one person can lead LE to any others involved. JMO

 

[milkshakedonkey]

Mi

Wanna do an experiment? Would your app detect the door opening if you disconnected the overhead cord and manually opened it? It only takes 6 seconds from the exterior of your garage to break in manually unless it is manually locked. Curiosity on my part.

How Thieves Can Break Into Your Home by the Garage Door

In 6 seconds thieves can break into your home by the garage door. Here's a simple thing you can do to prevent home break-ins by the garage.

www.corporatetravelsafety.com

Mine specifically would because it has a battery-operated sensor on the actual door that relays the state of the door. I doubt all of them work that way though.

 

[justwannahelp]

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THIS!!! Explained perfectly. Please scream it from the mountain top cuz people ain't getting it

Actually i think the glove with the dna on it that looks like lantana front porch guy’s was found in a field a couple miles from Nancy’s home— not on or in her property.

Now i have Taylor swift’s song stuck in my head “one of these things is like the others”
One of these gloves is not like the others

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

And it's well known that was the only DNA he left in the house. Moo kohberger deliberately dressed to mitigate shedding DNA and it worked, apart from...the knife sheathe (well there was also his driving his own easily identifiable car but anyways).

In this case, I think it's a possibility, given how layered and covered up perp/suspect is here, he knows about DNA, it's more than just hiding his identity. He may have taken NG away, whatever happened inside, motivated by self protection. That would mean he had contact with her inside. Could he have removed a glove when he was inside and in proximity to NG? If he was wearing multiple gloves, maybe he took a layer off, and stored them on his person, tossing them 2 miles away on his way out. Idk why he would though, possibly glove)s? went out car window accidentally, or glove/s is/are completely unrelated. Speculation. Moo

He probably, in his own mind didn’t think LE would check the side of the road 2 miles from the crime scene.

I was just watching a show the other day where a Bank of America exec and his secretary conspired to have the exec’s wife killed. They printed everything for their hit packet from their office at work! Then when le was on to them they got rid of their office printers and computers without thinking le could just get the info from the company server.

Smart people do stupid things when committing a crime and dumb people as well.

I’m thinking this perp here is the latter.

 

[Kapua]

And maybe fleeing the county.

If he hasn't already.