AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[BellaToothless]

Yes, her heart would need to be beating for her to be bleeding and dripping blood. You are correct.

There are cases where a person can continue to bleed for a short time after death;

"Immediately after death, the blood is "unfixed" and will move to other body parts if the body's position is changed. After a few hours, the pooled blood becomes "fixed" and will not move."

So if she was put over Perps shoulder to take her out of the home and she had some trauma where blood was pooling (even no trauma as it naturally starts the pooling process with circulation gone) it might account for the blood on the porch (facing down or lowest point of her body gravity).

Source: Rigor Mortis and Other Postmortem Changes - burial, body, life, cause, time, person, human, Putrefaction

 

[hoodratholly]

Why are there so many photos of SG and NG but not NG and AG?

Because SG is already a public figure and likely more comfortable with her face being more out there. Maybe AG wants to keep as much of her anonymity as possible.

 

[Van Helsing]

JMO it would be challenging for a single man to move a 150lb woman very far.

Like I said about 1000 pages ago, especially without leaving a lot of evidence, like drag marks. I can't see that guy in the porch video throwing her over his shoulder and carrying her away.

 

[BellaToothless]

From your link:

“2:12 a.m. — The camera’s software detects movement. Investigators initially said that there was no video available since Guthrie didn’t have an active subscription to the company. But digital forensics experts kept working to find images in backend software that might have been lost, corrupted or inaccessible.”

Levin has said in a couple of his videos that he confirmed with LE that the recovered FBI images and video were from 2:12 am. And the pacemaker’s “disconnection” is likely an alert indicating the app’s failure to make its daily connection to the iPhone. (See previous posts, like this one.)

If things started at or around 1:47 am, I don’t see anything in the timeline that doesn’t correspond with “what we’re seeing in the FBI video may be from the end.”

I would posit that there did not appear to be blood stains on porch from FBI lantana man video.

 

[jtfolden]

Hey I was the one who stated that based on my perception the perp is using a screwdriver (or some similar tool set) based on the tools and motions he uses for loosening both the top and bottom of the camera. According to a guest expert on Megyn Kelly, in addition to a Hex key, the use of a small screwdriver is the most common way to remove a secured Nest camera from its mount.

Sorry I couldn’t grab a picture for when he the second tool on his upper right

MOO but it would make sense that the perp would anticipate having to bring and use these tools and likely did since it did not seem he could just simply pull and remove the camera from its mount

JMO/MOP

There is no screwdriver seen during the footage at any point though. We see him seem to check or feel how secure the camera is at the bottom at one point but nothing beyond that besides covering the lens with the plant.

 

[SaraSmile]

Place would be loaded with perp's DNA..so...nah...JMO

Agree, I doubt they will give up location. Like you said, maybe too much evidence.

JMO

 

[Napoli]

SG, IMO, is talking to the perp directly. This is what he craves! SG's attention. Undivided attention....he's been suffering from unrequited love from her for sooooo long! Think like a frustrated stalker who has the ultimate souvenir that keeps on giving. He has the mom of the object of his affection! Maybe he even sits and talks to NG. Asks for stories about SG. As an aside, the other day SG posted that video of her, her sister and NG from many years ago. That wasn't from just grieving, imo. That was something designed to appeal to the perp. Might even have been done at the perp's direction. Nancy may be alive. She's an insurance policy for the perp. ( SO HE FANTASIZES IN HIS TWISTED BRAIN) SG will continue to speak to him as long as he has NG. Some day he will release NG, perhaps. He will tell himself he is righteous and noble and returning NG to her family and SG will love him forever for that. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX! MOO

 

[wibbleflea]

I would posit that there did not appear to be blood stains on porch from FBI lantana man video.

True. So NG certainly hadn’t been carried out yet.

 

[Fargo]

There are cases where a person can continue to bleed for a short time after death;

"Immediately after death, the blood is "unfixed" and will move to other body parts if the body's position is changed. After a few hours, the pooled blood becomes "fixed" and will not move."

So if she was put over Perps shoulder to take her out of the home and she had some trauma where blood was pooling (even no trauma as it naturally starts the pooling process with circulation gone) it might account for the blood on the porch (facing down or lowest point of her body gravity).

Source: Rigor Mortis and Other Postmortem Changes - burial, body, life, cause, time, person, human, Putrefaction

This can continue for quite some actually because the clotting mechanism in a deceased person is not functioning. Even a minor open wound will drain blood to gravity until that source of blood expires. IMO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Place would be loaded with perp's DNA..so...nah...JMO

Yup, the perp's DNA would be everywhere if they were keeping NG in a house, guest house, etc. JMO

 

[tricia]

Hey everyone.
I hope you will join me on Websleuths YouTube LIVE Tonight at 10:30 PM Eastern.
We'll be discussing the latest in the Nancy Guthrie case.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

This can continue for quite some actually because the clotting mechanism in a deceased person is not functioning. Even a minor open wound will drain blood to gravity until that source of blood expires. IMO

This makes a lot of sense. Appreciate the explanation and how this works. IMO

 

[retrometro]

I haven't had time to follow this case very closely due to work responsibilities, but my heart breaks for the Guthrie family. And as someone with aging parents who live in Arizona (they're about 10 years younger than NG), the whole case is really spooky.

 

[simlyme]

I'm not a Fox news regular watcher , but , since it's approved here , this one caught my ears.
Makes a lot of sense to me and I wish investigators would follow this (less info to the public and media)

 

[BellaToothless]

The profile of a burglar who messed up isn’t consistent with the ransom notes, described repeatedly by Levin as being well structured, detailed, and well written. It also doesn’t fit with the ability to successfully hide digital tracks when submitting those letters to multiple news outlets.

My recent feeling about the perpetrators doesn’t fit with what we know of the ransom notes, either. Yet the writer had knowledge of the crime (watch location, state of rear floodlights). So perhaps the ransom has come from an opportunistic associate, as some people suggested early on.

Orrrrr a kidnapping cover up for a murder.

 

[Idreamofgenie]

At the risk of sounding a little too out there..., in SG's video released this past hour, is it a possibility she could be utilizing FBI guidance for non-verbal communication with suspects? I.e. morse code via blinks, left/right glances as a form of communication, etc.? Watching the video on mute it seemed like blinking was spread very evenly across the duration, though I imagine in the more reasonable scenario ones eyes may become more irritated navigating this scenario in her position.

I noticed in the video with the “only thing that will give us peace,” that all three of them looked down and closed their eyes at that moment. Wonder why? It’d be a hell of a coincidence.

 

[RayVon]

over the shoulder and she was bleeding from her head or mouth behind him as he walked.

she is not that light though it would be challenging maybe to carry her out that way,,

Two people carrying. Two perpetrators.

 

[Puzzles8]

A heartbreaking plea from SG tonight. Video embedded in article.
[...]
Today show host Savannah Guthrie pleaded with her mother's captors to 'do the right thing' and return the 84-year-old woman two weeks after she went missing.

In a somber video message on Sunday, Guthrie said she and her two siblings, Camron and Annie, 'still have hope' and that their mother Nancy is alive and 'still believe' she will be returned to them.

'And I wanted to say to whoever has her or knows where she is that it's never too late, and you're not lost or alone, and it is never too late to do the right thing,' the television host said on Instagram.
[...}

Savannah Guthrie pleads with captors to 'do the right thing'

In a somber video on Sunday, Guthrie told her followers that she and her two siblings, Camron and Annie, 'still have hope' and 'still believe' that their mother, Nancy Guthrie, will be returned to them.

www.dailymail.co.uk

JMO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Why are there so many photos of SG and NG but not NG and AG?

IMO, it seems that SG brought her mother to NYC on many occasions and they attended social events and at least one special gala together. SG's colleagues and friends likely offered to take photos of them, and it could be that her brother and sister were with their mom in more regular situations where they didn't often take pictures (eg dinner at AG's house, etc). All JMO

 

[Vaderman]

Hey everyone.
I hope you will join me on Websleuths YouTube LIVE Tonight at 10:30 PM Eastern.
We'll be discussing the latest in the Nancy Guthrie case.

Always so late Some of us haven't gotten a decent night sleep since this case started