• #31,741
I think today we will get some answers from the FBI

I am very excited about the glove; I feel a game-changer in this case

The first thing they will do is compare it to the unknown DNA found inside Nancy's home

Second, if they need to will be Codis ( basically people who have been in trouble with the law in the past)

And then DNA Genealogy (combines DNA testing with traditional, document-based research to trace family history, confirm relationships)

The FBI will also be checking for DNA in Nancy's vehicle, which was taken away

So more than one sample to test one on one

I think the Sheriff and FBI already preliminary know, another reason why the statement was given out yesterday

The profile will be built, then the FBI will put it into Codis and law enforcement will take it from there
Thank you for explaining this so well, I appreciate it.
 
  • #31,742
“That’s what makes me say this is a kidnapping,” Nanos said. “The motivation for it is where we get stuck, right?”

“Is it for money? I mean, we had the one demand where they asked for money,” he continued. “But is it really for money, or is it for revenge for something?”

Nanos’ clarification came after a law enforcement source told AZFamily that there was speculation that Guthrie’s disappearance was the product of a botched robbery.

However, Nanos told Fox News that the burglary theory did not come from his own team.

“It did not come from us. No idea and even though that is one of many possibilities, we would never speculate such a thing. We will let the evidence take us to motive,” he said.

Another source mirrored Nanos’ denial, saying, “This is not the working theory inside the unit.”
Just my opinion, but what kind of a kidnapper snatches somebody and doesn't make verifiable contact within 2 weeks?

I don't think it was a robbery gone wrong either. Nothing missing from the house.

Snatch & grab to hurt SG starting to make more and more sense instead of the other theories out there.
 
  • #31,743
And why send the ransom note to TMZ? TMZ is a tabloid that focuses on celebrity "news" and gossip. Wouldn't you expect a kidnapper-for-ransom to keep the communication between him and the person from whom he expects to collect the ransom quiet? Anyone even remotely familiar with TMZ knows that they don't do quiet. They do splashy headlines, and the more sensational the story, the better. It's as though he is seeking the media attention. MOO
Maybe, moo, the ransom cane directly to the family and they didn't jump on it fast enough ,ignored it? Then went to tmz next day?
 
  • #31,744
And a news anchor looks directly into the camera to talk to the audience. For some unhinged person that can feel like intimacy and start to feed a delusion. I have no idea if there are any stats on this but I would not be surprised if news anchors (as a profession) have a higher incident of stalkers because their positions are so forward facing. IMO
I think you are right. Decades ago, I worked with a man whose sister was an anchor for a station in Yuma, AZ.

He told me that she got a steady stream of fan mail ranging from the affirming, to the "Love you, but your outfit or make up is a complete disaster today" to the mildly creepy to the disturbing.

Reinforcing your good point about straight on camera and intimacy, news anchors give those ohhh so soulful personal looks nearly every day. So, unlike movie actresses where creeps need to wait until the next movie for an "intimate connection", those fixated on new broadcasters get to see their girl every, well morning.
 
  • #31,745
Because she very likely could identify him.
If she was deceased in her home, what would be the reason to take her away? Seems more of a risk.
 
  • #31,746
Here is a photo taken from the NBC Nightly News/FB Tom Llamas from 02/12 and showing the back sliding door, which we know had been left open, when family arrived for their wellness check:

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So the subject possibly gained access via back sliding door (forced entry) after trying to enter through the front door (main entrance)? What are your thoughts about the sequence of events and why do you think like that? Just curious.

Cheers,
Nin

**CORRECTION, THIS SLIDER IS LOCATED AT THE GUESTHOUSE, NOT AT THE MAIN HOUSE. Thank you for the heads-up everyone!
As I recall the blankets in the photo were just outside the casita.I found it odd.it might be the casita slider in the photo.
 
  • #31,747
I don’t think she left her house alive, but I don’t understand the reasoning for removing her. Ransom? Maybe it’s connected, but I go back and forth on it.
Perhaps an element of torture for the family, perhaps SG in particular, if this is some sicko with a deranged obsession with SG.
 
  • #31,748
Arizona Sheriff Chris Nanos on Friday (February 13) defended his decision to send newly discovered evidence in the Nancy Guthrie abduction case to a private lab.

Even if I assume he did not do it to hip-check the FBI, I still think this was the wrong decision. When you have an abduction, you do everything you can to speed things up. He added at least 24 hours, possibly 48 to the test cycle by sending it to FL instead of Quantico. You don't burn hours like that when a life is at stake.
 
  • #31,749
Retired FBI agent urges rapid DNA testing in Guthrie case: 'You don’t wait for FedEx on Monday morning'


Oh good grief, retired agent. I'm sure LE has someone (s) literally in a hotel right by the lab on standby to fly the results back. I highly doubt the results are coming through the mail. AND he knows this. IMO

Expert weighs in after search warrant executed in Nancy Guthrie disappearance | Fox News

"Here’s the question. Do they wait until Monday to commercially ship it to a private lab? In past high-profile cases, I’ve seen FBI aircraft used to immediately shuttle evidence to the FBI Laboratory at Quantico," he said.

"That eliminates days of waiting. In a case involving a vulnerable 84-year-old woman who is without her heart medication, where every hour matters, you don’t wait for FedEx on Monday morning."
 
  • #31,750
Do we know around when they expect the dna results from the glove?
 
  • #31,751
If she was deceased in her home, what would be the reason to take her away? Seems more of a risk.
There is no reason to take her away if she was deceased. If she was still alive, then it was the only option, if she knew who he was.
 
  • #31,752
If this was a burglary gone wrong - burglary with gun?? Burglary went wrong, so you take the 84 y old homeowner with you?? You are trying the remove the bell cam in case the burglary goes wrong?? -, I am wondering whether they had the wrong address then.. (insert eyes rolling here)

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin
The “burglary gone wrong” theory is popular, even amoungst people like Joseph Scott Morgan, other experts. I consider all ideas, brainstorming, but every theory has some holes.

Perhaps the burglar, intending to rob, realized it was SG’s daughter part way thru the robbery.
They thought maybe SG has some connections, they could get caught, so took NG. Just a thought.

I’m so sorry, I can hardly imagine what NG went through, don’t know if she could still be alive, after all this.

Ransom notes are from opportunists( my thought).
Although one did mention watch at foot of bed, unusual location, so maybe the real kidnapper.

Just my opinion, back and forth on theories.
 
  • #31,753
There is no reason to take her away if she was deceased. If she was still alive, then it was the only option, if she knew who he was.
There absolutely is reason to take her away if deceased, if there is physical evidence of the perpetrator on her body, for example.

MOO
 
  • #31,754
I agree with you; I don't think his DNA is in CODIS. I am more interested in if his DNA matches and DNA that may have been found in NG's house. As far as I know, and correct me if I am wrong, we haven't heard about any DNA found in the house. As @Napoli said in another post, notice what authorities are NOT saying.

Yes I’ll admit I’m feeling skeptical. I have to wonder why greater urgency and significance isn’t placed on testing the DNA found inside the house as opposed to that of a glove tossed two miles away from the home. How can they possibly rule out anyone while it’s being collected, before it’s tested?
JMO


“DNA evidence not belonging to Nancy Guthrie or her "close contacts" was found at her home, police say.

"DNA other than Nancy Guthrie’s and those in close contact to her has been collected from the property," the Pima County Sheriff's Department (PSCD) said in a statement to PEOPLE on Friday, Feb. 13. "Investigators are working to identify who it belongs to. We are not disclosing where that DNA was located."
 
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  • #31,755
And why send the ransom note to TMZ? TMZ is a tabloid that focuses on celebrity "news" and gossip. Wouldn't you expect a kidnapper-for-ransom to keep the communication between him and the person from whom he expects to collect the ransom quiet? Anyone even remotely familiar with TMZ knows that they don't do quiet. They do splashy headlines, and the more sensational the story, the better. It's as though he is seeking the media attention. MOO
BECAUSE it is a celebrity based tabloid type outlet. This fits perfectly with my theory that the perp is a celebrity stalker who has a delusional relationship with SG. Secondly, stalker, I am sure, has never been answered or adequately responded to, for any communication he may have had with SG on an Instagram page or NBC fan page. SO, he went to a celebrity site to get attention. As a backup, he went to local news outs. He received the coverage he craved. Perfectly executed Publicity. IMO
 
  • #31,756
Subject’s right jackets pocket showing a bulk. Tool or Walkie Talkie, as mentioned before by a poster:
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Subject also seem to either have a belly, or he was layered up? If it’s a belly, he is not worried showing it. He is layered up in case of a fight?
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Images from FBI video:

ALL IMO

Cheers,
Nin
 
  • #31,757
Regarding Lantana Man (man outside NG’s front door): Can someone venture some theories about the gun? Do burglars breaking into a home usually carry deadly weapons? His weapon was in a holster that wasn’t made for that particular gun, and it was positioned uh, unconventionally, IMO.

He seemed more preoccupied with being undetected and less preoccupied with stealing property, IMO. If I’m not mistaken, armed robbery or armed kidnapping carries a much different sentence than breaking and entering. IMO. JMO.
Here they discuss the gun part a bit, also saying he is left handed.

 
  • #31,758
There absolutely is reason to take her away if deceased, if there is physical evidence of the perpetrator on her body, for example.

MOO
Good point.
 
  • #31,759
Because she very likely could identify him.
If she recognized him and he killed her no need to move her from house,I think ransom as attention to sg , she speaks to camera as is she knows who it is and wants her mom's body back,the "never to late"quote
 
  • #31,760
Interesting.
I wonder about the sliding doors on the end of the house. The opposite end of from the garage there is sliding door and a small patio.
This is a copy of a photo from MSN.com which shows the area you are describing.
 

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