• #31,801
I'm not getting why the FBI need to announce that they are going to enter the DNA results into the DNA data base; just do it.

It seems like by what BE read per the FBI is that they may have a partial match to some evidence they already have, concerning the gloves, and they are submitting the full profile to Codis to make it an official match.
Now that is just my personal take on it.
 
  • #31,802
Agree it was unintentional. Maybe the criminal had nothing to do with NG injury. She could have been attempting to flee, fell, hit her head. Perp did not know what to do, spent those 41 minutes checking NG with no response. He then decided to take her. Then what?
That is the million dollar question. If she could identify him by his voice, she may have even said something like "I know you!" After which, he would panic and irrational thinking would kick in. What started as a small theft suddenly feels like a life-ending moment. His adrenaline spikes, his thinking narrows, and he immediately assumes he’s been identified and that arrest is inevitable.

In that panic state, his thoughts become very basic and urgent: escape now and face prison later, or try to control the person who can identify him. The first urge is to control, so he likely bound and gagged her, put her in his vehicle and left.
 
  • #31,803
Judging by the over all incompetence of the crime scene and his actions, I speculate that if he killed her, he took off and didn't look back. But, if he did kill her, it was not intentional. I do not believe he killed her though.

“Investigators’ first challenge is, can the victim be located and what is the victim’s condition at this point,” Miller said.

“The victim comes first,” Miller added. “Right now, when it comes to how the victim is, where the victim is, and what condition the victim is in, is a blind spot for (investigators).”

Another concern is the apparent lack of communication between law enforcement and the Guthrie family with possible kidnappers.

“At this point, the investigators – as far as we know – have lost touch with individuals who were purporting to be the kidnappers. No proof of life has been offered, to our knowledge,” Miller noted, referencing two ransom notes sent to news outlets shortly after Guthrie was first reported missing

As we’ve learned time and again, sometimes it is the more obscure lead that may end up further down in the pile that has the answer in it,” Miller said. “The only way to get there is to go through them as fast

“This may be the most high-profile kidnapping in America since the Lindbergh baby because of the nature of the victim and the victim’s family,” Miller pointed out, noting Savannah Guthrie’s high profile as an anchor of “Today.”
And we know how the Lindbergh kidnapping turned out.
 
  • #31,804
An expert on genetic genealogy has said that DNA collected from Nancy Guthrie’s property will help law enforcement find the person responsible for the disappearance of the 84-year-old mother of Today show co-host Savannah Guthrie.

CeCe Moore, the chief genetic genealogist at Parabon Nanolabs, said investigators can use the DNA that was recovered in a process called Investigative Genetic Genealogy, or IGG. That involves uploading information to a genealogy database to look for possible relatives of the person whose DNA was found at the scene and thus, identify possible suspects.


2/16/2026
 
  • #31,805
An expert on genetic genealogy has said that DNA collected from Nancy Guthrie’s property will help law enforcement find the person responsible for the disappearance of the 84-year-old mother of Today show co-host Savannah Guthrie.

CeCe Moore, the chief genetic genealogist at Parabon Nanolabs, said investigators can use the DNA that was recovered in a process called Investigative Genetic Genealogy, or IGG. That involves uploading information to a genealogy database to look for possible relatives of the person whose DNA was found at the scene and thus, identify possible suspects.


2/16/2026
This is all so confusing. Are we confident that DNA was actually collected ON or IN her property? I feel like we've heard reports and then it's been stepped back and forth.
 
  • #31,806
Two things I'm pondering on Monday morning:
1. Did the alert sent to Nancy’s phone when the suspect removed the ring camera wake her up causing the confrontation that may have injured her?
2. Did the suspect break in somewhere other than the front door, injure Nancy either intentionally or accidentally, and call in a waiting accomplice to come to the front door from where they removed her. Did they use the front to to carry her out rather than carry her all around from the back or side of the house? An unconscious person is very heavy to carry. The front entrance has the u shaped driveway for a quick entry and exit. The removal of the ring camera was not initially planned but became necessary after she was injured and had to be carried rather than walked out from the back or the side of the house.

ETA If this was a planned kidnapping, the perpetrators may have planned to take her alive, bring her to a preplanned location, and begin ransom negotiations. They would not treat her badly and everything, (in their minds) would be quite civilized. This would explain the disguise he was wearing. She could not identify anyone who may be involved. They could collect their ransom and ride off into the sunset. Once she was injured, perhaps badly, the whole game changed.
 
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Range Rovers carry Land Rover badges. Technically, the brand is Land Rover. Here's the rear view of a Range Rover Sport from 2017, with a regular Range Rover alongside it. Both carry Land Rover badges.

Source – CarSized.com
I learn something new every day. :)
 
  • #31,808
I believe his backpack was carried in necessity and was full of items he needed to commit whatever crime he had planned. Not so sure burglary was that crime. IMO
With what we know so far, though I wish it were otherwise, I'm unable to discount that possibility (back pack contents items for intended crime) whenever I consider possible motive/s. Jmo
What do you all think will happen when they upload the DNA into CODIS? Do you think they will get a match or do you think this is the perps first time doing something like this and has never been arrested before?

I'm leaning toward--this perps first crime, he's not in CODIS and genetic genealogy is needed in this situation.

What are your thoughts?
Hard to guess, but in the event of no CoDiS match, moo IGG could definately be on the cards if an unknown DNA profile is their only lead; especially if 2 mile glove profile ends up being unknown and can be matched to any potential sample in the house ( ATM we have no idea if perp left any DNA at house imo) Jmo.

Ebm to correct non fact
 
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Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos ruled out the theory that the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of TODAY Show anchor Savannah Guthrie, was a burglary gone bad while speaking to the Daily Mail.

“This is somebody who disappeared from the face of the Earth, and now we have a camera that says here’s the person who did this,” Nanos said.

The sheriff still believes Guthrie was kidnapped as authorities are no closer to finding the missing woman after the search entered its third week on Sunday (February 15) and no clear motive has been determined.
OMG, I'm getting whiplash with all this back and forth! Sources say one thing, Nanos claims it's not true and not determined, then next day says it's not that.
 
  • #31,810

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos ruled out the theory that the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of TODAY Show anchor Savannah Guthrie, was a burglary gone bad while speaking to the Daily Mail.

“This is somebody who disappeared from the face of the Earth, and now we have a camera that says here’s the person who did this,” Nanos said.

The sheriff still believes Guthrie was kidnapped as authorities are no closer to finding the missing woman after the search entered its third week on Sunday (February 15) and no clear motive has been determined.

Starting to think Nanos has been completely sidelined. I thought it was interesting the last SWAT raid was a federal warrant and took place on a day he was doing nonstop one to one media interviews. Perhaps all these sudden discussions with media (I mean.. I have NEVER heard of a LE speaking directly to Daily Mail) are his way of trying to appear involved to the public. So weird.

MOO
 
  • #31,811
Sheriff Nanos responds to me about the local Phoenix news report that sites an inside source who says investigators believe the Guthrie case was a burglary gone bad and that Nancy Guthrie is still alive."Did not come from us. No idea and even though that is one of many possibilities we would never speculate such a thing. We will let the evidence take us to motive."

It's starting to sound like some of these reporters need to re-vet their "sources". Or maybe they are trying to flush out a leaker, but I'm not sure they have time for that. Either way, leaking bs is very cruel to the family.
 
  • #31,812
This is all so confusing. Are we confident that DNA was actually collected ON or IN her property? I feel like we've heard reports and then it's been stepped back and forth.
Im not clear on your confusion. My understanding is they are speaking about the glove found and sent to FL lab. Not the other numerous gloves found.

However, there has been a lot of misreporting. I try to be more selective nowadays.

jmo
 
  • #31,813
Im not clear on your confusion. My understanding is they are speaking about the glove found and sent to FL lab. Not the other numerous gloves found.

However, there has been a lot of misreporting. I try to be more selective nowadays.

jmo
I believe the confusion around non-glove DNA comes from this interview. Where the interviewer asks if DNA was found in the home and Nanos' response kind of implies that there was but maybe it's being misconstrued

 
  • #31,814
Not sure if it has been mentioned but it appears that the intruder has something bulky on under neat their pants that changes the appearance of his/her legs/torso. You can clearly see it in the video as well.
If he's wearing coveralls I don't think he would be able to access whatever that is, so it may be the flash light in his jacket pocket (?).
 
  • #31,815
Starting to think Nanos has been completely sidelined. I thought it was interesting the last SWAT raid was a federal warrant and took place on a day he was doing nonstop one to one media interviews. Perhaps all these sudden discussions with media (I mean.. I have NEVER heard of a LE speaking directly to Daily Mail) are his way of trying to appear involved to the public. So weird.

MOO
I don’t know if this is allowed – it’s audio of the communication between officers during the search for the Range Rover. It’s being carried out by the PCSD.

 
  • #31,816
There absolutely is reason to take her away if deceased, if there is physical evidence of the perpetrator on her body, for example.

MOO
Amidst any panic and adrenaline, there might also have been the thought that a never-solved “missing person” case is a better chance of getting away with it than leaving someone, living or dead, and it being definitively known that it’s a murder, or at least serious bodily harm.

JMO
 
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Im not clear on your confusion. My understanding is they are speaking about the glove found and sent to FL lab. Not the other numerous gloves found.

However, there has been a lot of misreporting. I try to be more selective nowadays.

jmo
There have been so many reports of DNA in and on and around and near that I cannot keep track. I thought at one point that the Sheriff said DNA was found IN the home. Then of course we heard separately about the glove. I thinks it's been cleared up that the glove was found around 2 miles away from the home, but what I'm confused about is whether there was DNA found IN the house and whether it was tested. Maybe we don't actually know. I just find it all very confusing (not your post, the situation).
 
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  • #31,819
Agree. Savannah’s attempt to appeal to the kidnapper with a teary video is so lame. These are hardened criminals- not a little child who stole something and will give it back if you ask nicely.
Yes. I find this odd. I don’t know what to make of it. I guess these fbi psychologists know more than us?

I’m a religious person. Sometimes religious people want to believe the best about everyone and everything. Maybe that’s what SG is doing right now in order to cope. It’s a coping mechanism. Poor thing.

But realistically, there’s good and there’s evil, and whoever did this is evil. Really really evil, and you can’t reason and talk sense into evil.

You can however bargain with evil. Money talks when it comes to evil criminals.
 
  • #31,820
Yes, but if the dealership sold it 2 days after Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance, the dealer plates would not be on it. A new owner will have permanent license plates when they take their vehicle from the dealer. Most dealers have a runner who goes to the dmv one or more times a day with the paperwork. They attach the new plates so it is ready for you at pick up. If you sell or turn in your current vehicle at the same time, you can use your old plates in most states.
Photo from Fox News 10 shows what appears to be a paper plate which has been covered by LE on the night they towed it.
(Note: I see the vehicle is a Land Rover. I have referred to it as a Range Rover in a previous post.)
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