AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Trino]

I thought abduction for ransom was a federal crime, but maybe not.

How do you know it was abduction for ransom?

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I just hope all of this information doesn't increase the flight risk.

Guessing they have a good idea who the perpetrators are and that they have them under surveillance.

Seems that all of this info could cause a flight risk, which LE is clearly aware of or they wouldn't let the info be out there.

IMO it seems LE is releasing strategic information to the public that is really aimed at communicating with the perpetrator(s). LE may be hoping that the perp or perps get frightened and do something stupid that will give LE additional proof and evidence of their guilt.

Also, IMO, if they try to run, LE will likely follow them discretely with a helicopter and cars on ground that keep their distance and the helicopter pilot will keep them informed of where the perp is going. LE may be encouraging the perps to run in order to see where they go and what they do.

JMHO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Note what I bolded below:

Latest from PCSD on Guthrie:

Suspect Clothing: PCSD can confirm that the clothing seen in the video may have been purchased from Walmart but is not exclusively available at Walmart. This remains a possibility only. The investigation is ongoing, and information may change as new details develop.

All DNA evidence questions directed to FBI

Clarification: PCSD has never stated that this was a burglary gone wrong. Any reports indicating otherwise are inaccurate. This remains a very active investigation.

^^ In response to this, we stand by our source who has extensive inside knowledge of the case in many aspects.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023462553930850509

 

[Jade]

I think you may have misread my post. I said nothing about the "searchers" gloves.
I referred to the single glove found which is similar to the perp gloves, and which was sent for testing.

IMHO, any disposable glove which has been worn by someone is likely to have DNA on it--even if worn by someone experienced in aseptic technique.
Therefore a commonly available glove that is "similar" to the one worn by the video-perp, which was found almost 2 miles from the crime scene, is likely to have DNA on it and unlikely to have anything to do with the crime--IMHO.
That's NOT to say that it shouldn't have been collected and tested; it just feels like people and the media are hanging their hopes on "this is going to break the case" when in reality it has a miniscule chance of being significant to this investigation, IMHO.
I truly want the test results to be significant and case-breaking.

BBM Disposable gloves

It seemed disposable gloves was the subject then therefore, which means for that reason, to explain the subject.
Sorry then the post wasn't clear!

I have not heard that the bulky gloves are commonly available or that they had been identified at all.

Do you have a link that they are commonly available in Tucson?

The back pack I have seen identified as bought in Tucson.

Thanks for any information on those types of bulky gloves as I've missed it the thread moves fast.


The FBI says investigators collected “approximately 16 gloves in various areas” near the Guthrie house, but most of them were searchers’ gloves discarded in various areas when they searched the area.

According to the FBI, the one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video.

SOURCE: Guthrie disappearance could be result of burglary attempt

all imo

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

How do you know it was abduction for ransom?

Sending ransom letters is a federal crime and the investigation into the writers of ransom letters is under the FBI's jurisdiction. MOO

 

[cady]

I don't think all the movie references would mean much to Mexican Nationals........they mean nothing to me, as I'm not a movie buff. Maybe because ransom notes are going to TMZ, movie references are in the mix. Dunno. jmo

 

[diggndeeperstill]

No signs of broken glass when this video was done on back of home.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023376230066880937

 

[grumpybear55]

I totally believe the ransom note writer has ask them to communicate in movie quotes. There is no other way to explain these bizarre movie quotes

What would the motive behind this be you think?? So weird

 

[squeaky]

Since everyone is noticing the movie quotes from the videos...

"Do the next right thing" is both a quote and climactic song from Frozen 2

 

[investigatoroffacts]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023376230066880937

Editing to add:

There has been a discussion of sliding glass doors leading to her covered patio area. It looks to me like a large picture-type window with three sections and the egress is through the blue door with small panes on the right (facing).

This is merely my opinion. But I am sticking with a female that Nancy knew who had key to her home, and is connected to the person in video. I believe someone had a key and entered. I give my housekeeper and my pet sitters keys or leave them somewhere for them.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I think y'all are going to be disappointed. They are NOT going to tell you if the DNA is a match on CODIS. They are not going to tell you it isn't. THIS IS ALL DESIGNED TO KEEP THE PERP GUESSING. and the public ENGAGED and ratings UP! JMO

Exactly. We are only told what LE wants the perps to know. JMO

 

[stmichael]

BBM Disposable gloves

It seemed disposable gloves was the subject then therefore, which means for that reason, to explain the subject.
Sorry then the post wasn't clear!

I have not heard that the bulky gloves are commonly available or that they had been identified at all.

Do you have a link that they are commonly available in Tucson?

SNIPPED

The black disposable gloves seen in the Nest cam footage and believed to be nitrile gloves?

Any home depot, hardware store sells them. Amazon next day prime. Very common. Even if they are the thicker chem resistant butyl gloves (impossible to tell from IR night footage).. I get all of mine in bulk on Amazon, but home depot or lowe's always has them as well as Ace or Truvalue and probably a local hardware store or med/chem supply.

They are either bulky because they are the thicker butyl chem resistant style or some experts have speculated they are the thinner nitrile or latex gloves (that are super common) and are over another pair of gloves underneath, thus appearing bulkier.

 

[Friday Fan]

I thought abduction for ransom was a federal crime, but maybe not.

Ransom letters sent over the internet is a federal crime, even if they are fake.

But unless the abductors wrote the ransom letters, abduction is pretty much a state cirme, unless NG was moved out of AZ. Fed gov can sometimes use cyberstalking.....

Was Casey Anthony charged with a federal crime? Was Susan Smith charged with a federal crime? Was Scott Peterson charged with a federal crime? The list goes on and on...

 

[SMK777]

Ransom letters sent over the internet is a federal crime, even if they are fake.

But unless the abductors wrote the ransom letters, abduction is pretty much a state cirme, unless NG was moved out of AZ. Fed gov can sometimes use cyberstalking.....

Was Casey Anthony charged with a federal crime? Was Susan Smith charged with a federal crime? Was Scott Peterson charged with a federal crime? The list goes on and on...

Thanks for that information.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Guessing they have a good idea who the perpetrators are and that they have them under surveillance.

IMO it seems LE is releasing strategic information to the public that is really aimed at communicating with the perpetrator(s). LE may be hoping that the perp or perps get frightened and do something stupid that will give LE additional proof and evidence of their guilt.

Also, IMO, if they try to run, LE will likely follow them discretely with a helicopter and cars on ground that keep their distance and the helicopter pilot will keep them informed of where the perp is going. LE may be encouraging the perps to run in order to see where they go and what they do.

JMHO

RSBM
One can only hope. jmo

 

[KivaloNyomozo’]

IMO I feel that something very big is happening right now. I believe a lot of small pieces are starting to connect. I’m just LOST on why they haven’t identified this SAME person who wrote the last 3 ransom letters through the bitcom ID. BUT maybe they have…Each time Savannah speaks, I feel It’s intentional, purposeful and while it is cryptic to us, it has a LOT of meaning to the case. I’m sure strategists are working with her. She actually looked somewhat calm and positive, exhausted and drained also. Some of her messages may have hidden messages to the captor’s.

 

[SMK777]

Guessing they have a good idea who the perpetrators are and that they have them under surveillance.

Seems that all of this info could cause a flight risk, which LE is clearly aware of or they wouldn't let the info be out there.

IMO it seems LE is releasing strategic information to the public that is really aimed at communicating with the perpetrator(s). LE may be hoping that the perp or perps get frightened and do something stupid that will give LE additional proof and evidence of their guilt.

Also, IMO, if they try to run, LE will likely follow them discretely with a helicopter and cars on ground that keep their distance and the helicopter pilot will keep them informed of where the perp is going. LE may be encouraging the perps to run in order to see where they go and what they do.

JMHO

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember back in the Idaho case reading after his arrest that Kohburger had been being tailed by agents for hundreds of miles.

 

[SMK777]

How do you know it was abduction for ransom?

True. We don't.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Right, but he sauntered up to the front door and seemed surprised by the doorbell cam.

Had there been an accomplice waiting inside to open the door and security door I feel the approach would be different. Why take the gun out and display it in an awkward way that prohibits movement at that point (remember he was lingering off frame outside of the vestibule without the backpack on and the gun still concealed before going to the front door). Was the door discovered open? Why even close it in that case (it may have even remained lock as far as we know).

I agree the front door would be the most direct exit point and likely the way to remove a person from the house, and that an accomplice could have already been inside to exit through the front door. But the actions/mannerisms of the Nest cam masked man just don't seem consistent w/ this to me.. YMMV.

I would also be curios if that front door remained locked. I use a keyed double cylinder deadbolt on steel security doors like that. I wonder what the investigation determined there and how it was left. The latest drone video showed the rear patio with no signs of forced entry, and investigators have yet to confirm if there was any forced entry involved.

Well-said. Good points. Your use of the word "sauntered" is perfect for the casual way the Lantana guy approached the front door. And the mannerisms and action of Lantana guy are certainly puzzling.

In some ways it seemed like he was staging the scene, which doesn't seem likely. But his apparent lack of care and stress is bizarre given what was going on inside. JMO

 

[abanddb123]

Just wanted to post of prayers to the family and I hope they find NG today. I hope the family can take time to heal after all of this is over. I can't imagine.