AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Sessiebo]

If there are no direct DNA hits, no doubt the FBI can go the 'Genealogy' route (providing he's not from Mars). So one way or another he will be caught. Time is the 'key' factor.

As i understand they can't use the few biggest databases for genealogy tho. I hope they still find a match in the other databanks
(From 13 minute mark on)

 

[Laura Avery]

stream encrypted data or record on a device without using bluetooth and wifi

Yes, but how would the "Apparent other person" be able to then talk back live to each other? You need a data or wifi right? You can't talk back and share info to a recorded device.

 

[Laura Avery]

As i understand they can't use the few biggest databases for genealogy tho. I hope they still find a match in the other databanks
(From 13 minute mark on)

HI yes Geneologist here. The reason they can't use big databases such as Ancestry is because of privacy regulations (Also, a lot of countries do not like DNA tests or it's illegal). However, there are some companies that offer opt-ins to assist, such as Gedmatch. Im hoping in the future that big databases will have opt in as well. Im sure Othram could solve this or at least get a second cousin within a couple of weeks, but they would have to throw everything at it. Of course, they would not be able to find the exact perpetrator if there isn't dna to compare it to, but they may get close enough. I believe Othram has said they were upset that the DNA was sent to a "Not so good lab"

 

[Cassie P]

So why take the risk of bringing her out the front if your car is in the main drive (and you'd have to move it before getting her out the front)? Especially if it is closer to her bedroom, and most importantly, WIDE and FLAT.

And if you had time to move your car to the front, and you were operating alone, that doesn't bode well for NG's condition when she was removed.

It makes no sense.

JMO.

(Quote shortened by me for brevity)

Would it make sense if somehow NG was lured to the front door? She opens the door, is hit hard in the face causing the blood on the front porch. So she is at the front of the house and they just move her from there?

Do we know if there is evidence the intruders actually came into the house? Or have we been just assuming that. LE said originally that NG had been stolen from her bed, but then walked that back saying it was just an expression?

 

[flakesofsnow]

Yes, but how would the "Apparent other person" be able to then talk back live to each other? You need a data or wifi right? You can't talk back and share info to a recorded device.

burner phone or just record on a local device. they are sending emails that they can’t trace

 

[justpeachy22]

Why do people think if the family pays the ransom money that the note writer will keep their word and give them information to recover Nancy? We’re talking about someone who is extorting a grieving family, whether or not they’re telling the truth. Money can’t buy morals.

I’ve said it before, but what if the FBI has advised the family that by paying the money, any leverage they have over the kidnapper to keep her alive is gone? If the FBI told me that it was a bigger statistical probability she would die if I paid, rather than if I didn’t pay, there is no way I’m paying the money, no matter how wealthy I am.

Agree. I’ve probably watched too many crime shows to know that the payout of a ransom with good law enforcement is extremely rare. LE can usually reel them in eventually and catch them without paying out any money. Once a payment is made, you tend to lose contact with them and your family member on the other end of the line. The key is to keep them in contact. The money is their goal. Returning the family member back safely is typically not.

 

[flakesofsnow]

Maybe this is the beginning of the AI war against humans. Have a good day. Check Temu.

 

[RayVon]

Curious. I realize lots of people go thru their garage vs front door when they come home, but looking at where the driveway is to the front door vs to the garage (having to back out), wouldn't it be more practical (for SIL and her) to have gone thru the front when dropped off? Must have been a normal routine. On the other hand, the opener conveniently made a record of when she was dropped off. Again, there could be a great explaination, but I do question it.

 

[RayVon]

Maybe the garage entrance to the house was closer to a closet, bathroom or her bedroom. She also probably didn't have to deal with stairs. Moo

 

[Cassie P]

As i understand they can't use the few biggest databases for genealogy tho. I hope they still find a match in the other databanks
(From 13 minute mark on)

One of the data banks LE uses has some data from other much larger genetic genealogy sites. People who test at the main genetic genealogy sites can upload their DNA data to one of the sites now used by LE.

This one LE site started out many years ago as just a regular GG site with some fancy tools and helpful ways to analyze data.
People would download their data from the other main sites to use these tools.

Then it became part of an LE data bank. Most people still kept their DNA at the site. But you had to opt in or out of the LE use of the data. Many people thought, hey if a relative of mine commits a crime, I am not protecting them so they left their DNA sample at the LE site.

And regular people still use this site to analyze their DNA. (I was just on this site the other day, helping a cousin analyze their DNA data.)

So say if you doing your DNA investigation at this one LE DNA site, you can see where the matches have come in terms of other DNA sites. You can see some of the family trees, and then you can hightail it over to those other sites and find more extensive trees for those matches. So you can kind of back door things a bit.

This LE site will give you family surnames, birth locations of ancestors, etc. So you can narrow it down right off the bat.

I used to do adoption searches, it is the same procedure LE uses for criminal investigation.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

An FBI official told Fox News Digital DNA recovered from a glove believed tied to the suspect in the Nancy Guthrie case is still undergoing quality control testing at the sheriff’s private lab in Florida after being sent from Tucson on Feb. 12.

Once that process is complete, the profile is expected to be entered into the FBI’s Combined DNA Index System, or CODIS, in the near future – possibly as soon as tonight – which could determine whether it matches anyone in the national database.

When asked whether more than one suspect could be involved, the official pointed to FBI Director Kash Patel’s comments on “Hannity” last week referencing “persons of interest,” indicating investigators are not ruling out the possibility of multiple individuals.

Nancy Guthrie latest: DNA from recovered glove undergoing lab testing, FBI says

Nancy Guthrie was taken from her home in Tucson, Arizona, more than two weeks ago and remains missing. Authorities have yet to publicly name any suspects or persons of interest as they investigate recovered DNA.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Cassie P]

HI yes Geneologist here. The reason they can't use big databases such as Ancestry is because of privacy regulations (Also, a lot of countries do not like DNA tests or it's illegal). However, there are some companies that offer opt-ins to assist, such as Gedmatch. Im hoping in the future that big databases will have opt in as well. Im sure Othram could solve this or at least get a second cousin within a couple of weeks, but they would have to throw everything at it. Of course, they would not be able to find the exact perpetrator if there isn't dna to compare it to, but they may get close enough. I believe Othram has said they were upset that the DNA was sent to a "Not so good lab"

Yes if LE could use Ancestry which has the largest DNA databank, over 25 million users, along with attached family trees, LE would have a much easier job.

Yes with Gedmatch LE can still get close, at least identify family surnames, possible birth locations, ethnic background etc. So you can rule in or out suspects if you have a list of them. Or at least know some basic background facts.

 

[pulchra73]

HI yes Geneologist here. The reason they can't use big databases such as Ancestry is because of privacy regulations (Also, a lot of countries do not like DNA tests or it's illegal). However, there are some companies that offer opt-ins to assist, such as Gedmatch. Im hoping in the future that big databases will have opt in as well. Im sure Othram could solve this or at least get a second cousin within a couple of weeks, but they would have to throw everything at it. Of course, they would not be able to find the exact perpetrator if there isn't dna to compare it to, but they may get close enough. I believe Othram has said they were upset that the DNA was sent to a "Not so good lab"

When I put my DNA into Ancestry and Gedmatch, I gave consent. Wasn't I also asked when my DNA was first given?

 

[Laura Avery]

burner phone or just record on a local device. they are sending emails that they can’t trace

A burner phone needs wifi or data to interact with ",The other person". If just recording how are they interacting with each other at that exact time?

 

[flakesofsnow]

A burner phone needs wifi or data to interact with ",The other person". If just recording how are they interacting with each other at that exact time?

have they ruled out a burner phone?

 

[Cassie P]

When I put my DNA into Ancestry and Gedmatch, I gave consent. Wasn't I also asked when my DNA was first given?

Gedmatch specifically asks permission for your DNA to be in the LE databank. Ancestry does not ask for such a consent because it does not voluntarily work with LE like Gedmatch does? Unless something has changed. Ancestry will respond I think to a court order.

 

[Laura Avery]

When I put my DNA into Ancestry and Gedmatch, I gave consent. Wasn't I also asked when my DNA was first given?

Consent for "FBI and police to use" Ancestry doesn't currently allow police officials to access public DNA . However Gedmatch does with prior consent by the consumer, currently The rights to DNA in the UK at least is private to the owner and you can refuse to give consent. This is also why police collect evidence from discarded rubbish, to get around this issue
I believe however once a match is proven they can get a warrant to get further conclusive evidence.

 

[flakesofsnow]

From AI:
Direct Talk phones, primarily older
Motorola iDEN handsets used on the Nextel network, function as two-way radios, bypassing cell towers entirely to provide direct, off-network communication. Operating on the 900 MHz ISM band, they use Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum (FHSS) technology, offering 10 channels and 15 codes for private or group "walkie-talkie" calls within a 1–3 mile range.

 

[Laura Avery]

have they ruled out a burner phone?

They would have found evidence of something connecting in the close area, if it was connected. And if it wasn't connected it would just be used to record something, so not connected. But then if not connected how would the other person be able to interact?
To be able to interact and connect with each other you need live wifi or data connection.

 

[Warshawski]

Long time lurker here. I haven’t posted in years and apologies if this has already been discussed and I missed it.

What if the front door camera recorded the end of the event, not the beginning?

If the back door was opened first, the visible footage may not show the initial entry at all. It could be capturing a final moment rather than the first. Given the blood evidence at the front entry, many assume she was brought out through that door. If that’s true, the clip everyone focuses on might represent the conclusion of something that had already happened inside, not the start of it.

JMO, MOO, ETC!

I think you’ve made a good point. IMO that person was clearing the exit. I think someone said ‘that person’ knocked on the door ( cancel that if I’m off track, as my mind is all over the place with this awful situation)
However, if so, the only reason I can see for a knock on the door is to alert the inside accomplice that the coast is clear.