AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Gunther Toody]

EEK. That could account for blood on the porch, if NG was actually deceased, but pacemaker was still operating??? jmo

Or, he could have punched her in the nose if she attempted to scream once she realized that he was taking her away. Blood droplets are consistent with passive bleeding, like a nosebleed. Just my opinion, of course.

It does not seem logical to me that he would try to still remove her if she was deceased.

 

[connie9030]

The FBI has to do their own quality control review of the results from the Florida lab before entering the results into CODIS.

FBI gives update on DNA testing for gloves recovered in Nancy Guthrie case

The FBI told Newsweek on Sunday afternoon that authorities planned to enter the DNA profile into a database to aid identification.

www.newsweek.com

Even if the DNA gets a hit in CODIS or subsequent analyses, it still may not be someone connected to this case.

If the DNA hits in CODIS that person is going to have a really bad day, connected or not.

 

[K9Enzo]

I wish they would've put the sniffer scan at the boarder crossing.

I hear you. My guess only, they intentionally put it out there hoping it would create phycological pressure? That maybe the suspect will increase movement, stress about LE getting closer maybe even generate anonymous tips if someone knows something. I'm not sure but I always assume first, when LE gives info, it's intentional and they want it out there. IMO

 

[wibbleflea]

Brian Kohberger was identified within 3 days of the genetic genealogy was run in 23&me and other publicly available databases.

However, I think his dad had an actual profile uploaded so it was much faster than like a 2nd cousin which would be a typical "hit".

Arizona carries out familial DNA searches in CODIS, though there are probably strict requirements. That may improve the odds, assuming they get viable DNA, the DNA belongs to a perpetrator, and someone related to the perp is in CODIS.

"The Scientific Analysis Bureau provides familial DNA analysis in select cases at the Central laboratory. Arizona is the twelfth state to offer this type of testing."

Link to Arizona Department of Public Safety

 

[Justice101]

If the DNA hits in CODIS that person is going to have a really bad day, connected or not. View attachment 645889

Fingers crossed there is an actionable hit on either CODIS or IGG. AND that this is the DNA of the perpetrator and not some random handyman losing his glove out of the bed of a pick up truck driving by.

 

[SMK777]

Brian Entin is an Emmy award winning journalist and a senior correspondent for NewsNation.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12778120/bio/

He's definitely one of the very best; been following him for years. Very high ethical standards.

 

[SaraSmile]

Fingers crossed there is an actionable hit on either CODIS or IGG. AND that this is the DNA of the perpetrator and not some random handyman losing his glove out of the bed of a pick up truck driving by.

I’m hoping for a hit on the inside unknown DNA!

JMO

 

[SMK777]

AND that this is the DNA of the perpetrator and not some random handyman losing his glove out of the bed of a pick up truck driving by.

That would be devastating.

 

[FaviousM]

That would be devastating.

I think that's the likely outcome of the glove DNA though. The DNA supposedly found in the house/on the property is surely a better lead even if it didn't hit in CODIS (which it presumably didn't seeing as nothing has come of it so far)

 

[SMK777]

I think that's the likely outcome of the glove DNA though. The DNA supposedly found in the house/on the property is surely a better lead even if it didn't hit in CODIS (which it presumably didn't seeing as nothing has come of it so far)

I hope the house DNA will yield something. I have seen so many cases which wind up with "unknown DNA" as the concluding remarks.

 

[justwannahelp]

EEK. That could account for blood on the porch, if NG was actually deceased, but pacemaker was still operating??? jmo

Correction:
they are removed before CREMATION due to batteries exploding, but not always before burial unless family decides to have it removed before burial due to environmental reasons - battery leaking into soil. The pacemaker setting is simply turned to off right before or at death so there’s no signal.

Also it seems like there are other settings besides on and off for some pacemakers.

But with all of them, you can have your doctor turn it off when you’re in the end stages of life so you heart isn’t “shocked” even though there’s no really “coming back” to life. I imagine that would be very unsettling (for lack of a better word) for loved ones to see in a palliative type situation.

More in linked article below for those interested:

https://www.myrhythmdevice.org/living-with-a-cardiac-device/end-of-life/

 

[FaviousM]

I hope the house DNA will yield something. I have seen so many cases which wind up with "unknown DNA" as the concluding remarks.

I'm guessing they'd probably go the IGG route with it. I'm pretty sure it was processed long enough ago to already have been run through CODIS and presumably not hit so I hope the IGG process as already been started

 

[SlimPickens]

If the DNA hits in CODIS that person is going to have a really bad day, connected or not. View attachment 645889

I wonder if DNA has already hit in some way in a database of some sort, and that is why LE has a pool of 40 contenders they're going around asking about? Obviously many/most of those contenders would be controls for the experiment, so maybe it is narrowed down even more than that?

JMO.

 

[rebel123]

Hopefully all the elements come together, the DNA, Walmart's customer purchase data, they put the spotlight on the same individual.

It would be interesting to see all the cell tower activity data on 1st February between 1.00am and 6.00am a 20 mile radius, I doubt that there would be very much.

 

[MesquiteO21]

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I don’t know if this is accurate, but it looks like the low was 52° the night of Jan 31. Would she crack a window for some cool night air, or is that too cold, I wonder. Some people sleep better with the windows open, I have read.

Weather in January 2026 in Catalina Foothills, Arizona, USA

Weather reports from January 2026 in Catalina Foothills, Arizona, USA with highs and lows

www.timeanddate.com

According to this site - Why Don't More of Us Sleep With the Window Open? | Sleep Foundation
People in colder climates are more likely to sleep with window open and people in warmer climates more likely to sleep with it closed

I certainly fit with this though, im in one of the coldest states in the US and I’ve noticed I sleep SO much better with the window open

moo

 

[Mistermagoo]

When I saw the flowers at the crime scene, I thought maybe it was someone she knew and that it was a ruse to get her to open her door. (Sorta like a stalker, but more like someone she was having issues with) By that, I mean; "Ms Guthrie, I have some flowers for you".

Ms. Guthrie: (Oh you again)

But with his garb on, I don't think so......

However, someone on WS guess it correctly! They thought the flowers may have been picked to obscure the camera! Wish I could remember the member's name.

Came across an interesting theory on another site. With all of that clothing and disguise, why would the perp even care about covering up the camera?? Maybe he does not want the method of his entry to be on camera. At first it looked like he was about to knock, maybe someone was already inside waiting to open the door. Or maybe he had a key. Anyways, I'm not saying that is what it was, certainly people have already suggested the knock and the key, but adding the why would he need to cover the camera was interesting thought.

 

[Cassie P]

#2 is of course the ideal. I am looking at the outside of that. Not a person born here. They can do a whole tree and the DNA, might not even be the perp. I disagree that it is not time consuming and cumbersome. People every day even have names of their relatives and cant find them. FOR EXAMPLE..DNA belongs to Joe the stalker.. he connects to you. We dont know who Joe the stalker is..no name..just DNA. YOU have no idea who he is. (5th cousin 2x removed). We dont even have a name. Many 5th cousins of yours are running around. NARROWING IT DOWN TAKES TIME. Then, they have a name or a pool of your 5th cousins..now FIND THEM! They may be scattered all over the continent. Then match all their DNA to the sample. I stand by my observation . It's time consuming..MOO

If the person or his parents are immigrants there certainly may be less DNA matches to work with. Of course that depends upon their country of origin. Some new arrivals to the US come from countries where people are interested in DNA testing and genealogy. Like Canada, UK, Australia, Ireland, etc. Then you will have more matches than typical with other immigrants. But say for Asian and Hispanic it would be more difficult, but not impossible.

Keep in mind most immigrants to the US are not the only ones from their families who have come to the US. They have had close or distant relatives in the past who came here. I have never looked at a match list with no autosomal DNA matches. Perhaps they exist but I have not seen it.

So you will always get country of origin, ethnic breakdown, some family names. It gives you some direction in your search. If you do YDNA testing you can also get male line surname.

The whole point of DNA investigative GG testing is to find a needle in a haystack. You are searching to find the one person on the planet who matches this DNA. You do it by analyzing the DNA and the DNA matches. Of course we can find out who that person is by looking at the match list family trees.

It is science, you triangulate the DNA amounts with the matches family trees. And you can get a name, birth location, parents, grandparents, etc.

When you do adoption searches of course you can find the biological parents even if you do not know their names. You narrow it all down science wise until you have a short list. Then narrow that down to one person.

It is science, not a guessing game. Well it is a complex process but certainly there are more projects more difficult. I have been constructing family trees for myself and others for over 20 years and can do it in my sleep. And doing genetic genealogy for at least 20 years and can do that in my sleep too. And it is only a hobby for me. The people who make a living at it are most likely way more competent than I am. And yes most jobs take time. Sometimes if you get a close match it takes an hour of your time. No close matches it takes longer and is more work.

 

[LAhiker]

If lantana man isn’t the kidnapper, maybe his role in the video has always been to distract from what the “real” kidnapper looks like and how they carried out the task? As in, the real perp entered a completely different way, and there was always an assumption that this video would be found and focused on to distract us from the actual perp and path?

Hypothetically, the real perp/perps find some random homeless guy or hireable low-level criminal and offer him $100 to go scare the people living at this house. “All you have to do is wear this crazy disguise that will make you totally unrecognizable, pull the camera off the wall or cover it up, then knock on the door. Dude, they’ll never open the door when they can’t see you on the camera or if they look out the peephole out and see how scary you look, but they’ll have a video of you that will scare everybody who sees it. After you knock on the door and count to ten, come back to the car and we’ll drive you away before the police come or anything.” Only he is a little nervous or inebriated and, for half a second goes to knock before remembering it was “camera first, then knock, not the other way around.” They tell him to really take his time so there’s plenty of video to scare them. When he goes back for the lantana, he checks briefly to make sure the getaway car is still there.

I also wonder something else. Do Nest cameras have a doorbell button? Do we see him pushing the doorbell button? Are the masterminds of the operation trying to make sure that this video becomes the focus? Was NG outta there by the time this video happened? (I don’t remember timelines, and can we trust that all that we’ve been told are accurate?) Did they assume the video would be recorded or that an alert wouldn’t be sent to NG’s children?

Just a theory.

Interesting theory. I don't think NG was out of there before lantana man appeared, because as far as I can tell, the video doesn't show her blood yet in the entryway. But I agree that the guy might have played a lesser role in the crime.

JMO

 

[GlobeFireCandle]

Pacemaker. - easy enough to disable, no need to rip it out of a body! I think the sniffer is searching under the assumption Nancy is deceased and also I agree with other posters that they have released the info to flush the perp out in the hope he might go to the body or try to move it.

 

[Justice101]

I think that's the likely outcome of the glove DNA though. The DNA supposedly found in the house/on the property is surely a better lead even if it didn't hit in CODIS (which it presumably didn't seeing as nothing has come of it so far)

Was it similiar glove to the one found near the road or did they have DNA from the perp in the house?

The statement I saw was very confusing and buggered the English language.