AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Data Sleuth]

Brian Kohberger was identified within 3 days of the genetic genealogy was run in 23&me and other publicly available databases.

However, I think his dad had an actual profile uploaded so it was much faster than like a 2nd cousin which would be a typical "hit".

From the attached AI summary, the Othram lab received the sample from the knife sheath on November 24, 2022. A DNA profile was generated in 48 hrs.
However the actual genealogy process took until December 19, 2022 for the FBI to identify Brian Kohlberger as a person of interest.

 

[justwannahelp]

This is pretty typical and expected for him to not like he knew what he was doing and was not a professional. Lots of times they are also under the influence to get up the nerve, and it's never like you would see in the movies.

Good point. Maybe it’s not always like the movies. Seems like some are legit movie types like Bryan Kohberger. An absolute madman.

And some aren’t and need to get up the nerve. I don’t think i could steal a candy bar. I’d be fumbling around for hours like an idiot trying to work up the nerve. Maybe I’d disable a camera or 2

Lantanaman, IF he indeed acted alone, may have been getting up the nerve. I still, however, wonder if he was part of a team and he was the front of the house watch guy, and “duties” were was to disarm the camera, watch the front, and maybe drive the car? That may explain his lack of quickness. He’s not supposed to go inside. He’s supposed to just stay there?

 

[CandyKiss]

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[FaviousM]

Was it similiar glove to the one found near the road or did they have DNA from the perp in the house?

The statement I saw was very confusing and buggered the English language.

There is seemingly DNA found that's not related to any glove. Whether it was found in the house or somewhere else on NG's property is unclear. But I believe it was collected early on in the investigation so has likely already been processed already

 

[connie9030]

I wonder if DNA has already hit in some way in a database of some sort, and that is why LE has a pool of 40 contenders they're going around asking about? Obviously many/most of those contenders would be controls for the experiment, so maybe it is narrowed down even more than that?

JMO.

Could be. They took DNA of all those detained and those close to the family. I heard yesterday they got the preliminary DNA result back Saturday but couldn't put it in CODIS yet. Maybe it was a match to a DNA they already collected? Not sure how that all works.

 

[Arkay]

Identifying the DNA is how they'll identify who has her.

Matching DNA from a glove to a person of interest would be a significant leap.
Just for example - Analyzing the suspect's car GPS could point to a journey out into the hills with a stop somewhere where a body may have been disposed of.
Or he's got an 84 year old lady locked up in his basement.

Never discount the relevance of DNA, there's a reason it's relied upon to help solve many crimes.

Which is exactly why the DNA is vital.

Very much agree on the importance of the culprit’s DNA.

It won’t lead to Nancy that very second, but it would be the first breadcrumb that leads to who took her, and proceed from there.

Imagine if DNA were known, let’s say in the time of Jack the Ripper, Scotland Yard may have been able to catch him after the first murder.

JMO

 

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Well that is really interesting. Thanks for sharing that.

 

[Cassie P]

Just to add the resources behind this case are 'substantial'. Most cases don't get Presidential comments, let alone 'resources' behind the comments.

Exactly. If there is an entire team for the GG search it would be much easier and quicker.

 

[justwannahelp]

Was it similiar glove to the one found near the road or did they have DNA from the perp in the house?

The statement I saw was very confusing and buggered the English language.

We don’t know where the DNA from house came from. They haven’t told us. We just know it doesn’t match Nancy’s or anyone he should have been in her house. Family and friends etc. it’s a stranger’s. We don’t know yet if it matches the dna on the glove found 2 miles away from her house that looks like the glove lantanaman is wearing.

 

[Turkeytrot]

"Investigators are awaiting the results of DNA tests on the glove found about two miles from Nancy Guthrie’s property, and Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said he is hopeful the results could come back today."

Live updates: Nancy Guthrie’s family members aren’t suspects, sheriff says, as FBI checks glove DNA | CNN https://share.google/lupWwOuKM48aI9p3C

 

[Arkay]

Okay, you have a match...then what?
Do you think the guy is just sitting at home watching the game on TV?
Or, is it more likely he is on the run due to all the notoriety in the case, making locating him very difficult...while in the mean time, her clock is ticking downward.

I understand your point, but the clock is ticking regardless.

Knowing the identity of who did this is IMO the fastest way to start tracking him down. Of course that would be in combination with all the other means and methods LE is using to find her.

JMO

 

[waldojabba]

Came across an interesting theory on another site. With all of that clothing and disguise, why would the perp even care about covering up the camera?? Maybe he does not want the method of his entry to be on camera. At first it looked like he was about to knock, maybe someone was already inside waiting to open the door. Or maybe he had a key. Anyways, I'm not saying that is what it was, certainly people have already suggested the knock and the key, but adding the why would he need to cover the camera was interesting thought.

You ask - Why does the perp care about the camera at the front door?

Because that's the door the guy/s were pulling the car up to to load NG, their kidnap victim into - so that camera would "see" quite a bit

JMO

 

[FaviousM]

We don’t know where the DNA from house came from. They haven’t told us. We just know it doesn’t match Nancy’s or anyone he should have been in her house. Family and friends etc. it’s a stranger’s. We don’t know yet if it matches the dna on the glove found 2 miles away from her house that looks like the glove lantanaman is wearing.

I would imagine that the comparison between the first DNA sample and the glove DNA should be pretty quick to do seeing as both samples went to the same lab.

 

[Gunther Toody]

I understand your point, but the clock is ticking regardless.

Knowing the identity of who did this is IMO the fastest way to way to start tracking him down. Of course that would be in combination with all the other means and methods LE is using to find her.

JMO

With that in mind, what is the main objective in your opinion?
Finding NG, or catching the perpetrator?

 

[BrittMontero]

I am curious as to whether SG or any other family members have revisted the house to see if anything strikes them as a clue.

Realizing with the media encampment it would be difficult, but they could be driven into the garage, out of camera range, if need be. I think I would REALLY want to see the scene myself and try to imagine what the sequence of events was.

 

[Turkeytrot]

With that in mind, what is the main objective in your opinion?
Finding NG, or catching the perpetrator?

So far it seems like we can't have one without the other.

Jmo

 

[Cristofori406]

Welcome!

My observation of the perpetrator, at least for the duration of the video LE released, suggests that he doesn't seem the type to panic over much. He seems eerily relaxed in an increasingly high stress situation, even when he appeared to not anticipate the front door camera. No rush, just a mere speed bump. This suggests psychopathy, and psychopaths tend to be calculating, oft-grandiose, and heavily sadistic criminals. And this one seems organized to boot, and on a prior-planned mission of a specific target.

To your point, I don't think this one is responding that way at all. Panic and paranoia lead to mistakes and getting caught quickly. And since it appears this perpetrator didn't rush or panic in committing this act, it is unlikely that he is rushing or panicking after committing this act.

JMO.

Slim, I follow you and appreciate your thought. I, too, believe this crime has been premeditated by a very thoughtful and intelligent criminal mind. My question is not a challenge to your position but one of genuine interest about your thought. I believe the Lantana Man video was likely a staged as a distraction: the person in the video is not who kidnapped NG; Lantana Man was possibly hired and given his disguise to distract everyone's attention. Lantana Man probably doesn't even know the person in charge and was hired by him knowing very little. Lantana Man could be an ex-con looking for a buck, hired simply to scare and distract at the residence (that's all he was hired to do, in my scenario). He doesn't want to go back to prison and has thought for years about things he could have done to never get caught again.

How do you reconcile the inconsistent behaviors in the video if Lantana Man is the intelligent, pre-planning psychopath? He's keeping his face away from the camera until he goes to knock on the door, and then he looks repeatedly into the camera. If he's a pre-planner, why wouldn't he have come up with a better idea in advance to take out the camera?

The changes in Lantana's gait and the apparent layers of disguise make me think he's an experienced perp who knows how not to be identified and caught. The melodramatic holster placement and shenanigans with the lantana, along with the inconsistencies described above, scream "staged" to me. I also go back to him never trying the doorknob but apparently about to knock on the door. I think it possible he was there to try to provoke a response by either getting law enforcement to come out or to trigger a Nest notification to the family that a bad guy was at NG's house. I think the video was absolutely expected to be viewed; they didn't anticipate it not being recorded. I think it was staged after NG was already taken from the home. Knocking on the door or ringing the doorbell (which I also think looks possible in the video), he couldn't have expected anyone to answer with him looking like that. He's a distraction to keep us looking in the wrong direction.

As for the real perp's identity, I think you're absolutely right with the psych profile. I also think he's probably obsessed with SG, and, his interest in her unreciprocated, he goes after the thing dear to her, as evidenced in her late 2025 "My Hometown" production.

I once thought he was probably tech sophisticated and that ransom was the long-term plan. I no longer do. This is simply about influencing the object of his obsession.
I would genuinely like to hear your ideas. Mine are only theories, and you may have explanations I haven't considered. Thanks.

 

[Arkay]

With that in mind, what is the main objective in your opinion?
Finding NG, or catching the perpetrator?

FINDING NANCY!!!!!!! But I do not expect she will be stumbled upon randomly. We need to know who took her in order to find her.

IMO

Not going to go back and forth on this though. Let’s have our own opinions.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I’ve said a few times a burglary gone wrong seems incredibly unlikely in this case as if it had then I’d expect her to have been found in the home injured or deceased. The only way I could maybe understand her being taken is if she was able to identify the perp(s) but even then I think it’d have been much easier for them to kill her rather than take her. If burglary gone wrong is the situation and she’s currently alive, she’s either going to be found alive because LE know the identities of the kidnappers and find the location she’s at or she’s going to be found dead once they start closing in and the perp panics. Both of which mean they went to the trouble of taking her for what? It just doesn’t make much sense to me as a theory.

I'm just not buying the burglary gone wrong. Nothing was stolen. Why go to all that trouble and not take anything! Surely, she had jewelry, money, credit cards...Things you could easily grab. I also think that, if her home is the one the thieves were going to hit, they would watch her home and figure out a time when she wasn't going to be there. Her home is secluded. So, they could break in during the day--at a time when nobody was home. I mean, how long does it take to rob a home to get things of value that you could actually pawn?

I think that Nancy was the target, but why? Was money the motive? If so, whose money?

If it is because of Savannah, it has to be someone in the inner circle who knew Savannah was her daughter. I really can't see Nancy going around bragging about her daughter. A ransom note would have been sent to Savannah or left at the home with instructions. To me, this is the only way that Nancy would be kept alive.

If it is because of Nancy's assets or change in distribution of assets, POA, or something personal, it seems like it would be someone in the family, either personally or hiring someone to take her and unfortunately kill her and hide her body.

If it is revenge for not paying an employee, firing an employee or being rude to an employee, it seems very unhinged and extreme to abduct Nancy and kill her and hide her body. Also, if this were the case, I think that things would have been stolen.

Even though you hear all of the experts say that this was sloppy and the masked guy seems unprepared, I think that these people were somewhat prepared. Time will tell if the perp on the video was stupid enough to buy his "kidnapping" kit at one time from a local Walmart. It might not be right by NG's home. I would actually start inward and work out until I got a hit.

I just keep thinking about Dr. Teresa Sievers' murder being masterminded by her husband. He got his childhood friend and a jailbird friend of his to murder his wife. They rented a car and drove from out of state to kill Dr. Sievers. Mark had an alibi of being out of town with the children at her relatives' house.

They hid in the house and left the body. Then, you ask, "Why not do a similar attack on Nancy?" Someone wanted to stage it as a kidnapping. It takes a lot more work to figure it out (if it ever is).

In the Sievers' case, Mark and Curtis had burner phones to communicate in code. I have heard people on television (maybe, Nancy Grace?) mention burner phones. Wouldn't it be something if the perp bought everything at once along with burner phones?? I also heard that Walmart only saves three months worth of data. I think some said that??

Here's a summary of Dr. Teresa Sievers' case. I think that money (over $4M) was Mark's main motive for having her killed. Murder of Teresa Sievers - Wikipedia

So, bottom line, I don't think that Nancy is alive. Doesn't make sense to risk it. Then, again, you just never know what people are thinking...

eta: I believe that statistics show that 90 percent of the time, a family member is involved. Of course, that leaves 10 percent that it is somebody else.

All of the above is just my trying to logically figure out the motive. Just amateur speculation above. Speculation is something I do. I'm not saying that my speculation is ever right!

 

[justwannahelp]

Well that is really interesting. Thanks for sharing that.

The eyes never line up on these things. I’ve seen a bunch trick or treating. I hope FBI would have figured out if it was a mask under a ski mask by now.