AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SMK777]

And fairly coincidental that our favorite J, “neighbor” of NG, who came from miles away to be interviewed, wears a ring on his right hand. As seen in his second interview.

Really not sure why he feels the need to say anything at all.

I wonder if anyone ever tipped him in.

 

[penguinface]

No, the thing next to the plant has moved. I tried to frame the thing in both pictures. It moved more to the background. I'll try again.
Edited to ad picture from Spectrix's post. AZ - Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

Now I see it again, maybe it is the backpack..? Is that kind of what you were thinking or something else?

 

[Arkay]

• Othram, a forensic DNA lab in The Woodlands, confirms to Fox 26 they are in talks with all law enforcement working the Guthrie case.

Could a Houston-area lab be the key to solving the Nancy Guthrie disappearance?

Is a Texas lab the key to solving the Nancy Guthrie disappearance? Othram takes tiny, degraded samples of DNA to build a family tree that could eventually lead investigators right to the criminal's front door when other methods have hit a dead end.

www.fox26houston.com

Go @othram !!!!

 

[1.618]

My theories and things that got me scratching my head..
If it was kidnapping why would they not push more for a ransom with proof if life?
Robbery doesn't seem likely because you wouldn't want dead weight to have to worry about.
Walmart clothing bought to be generic because 1000s of people's buy the same stuff. If planned ahead of time they may have ordered through app.
Seems as though the guy at front door was just there for looks.
Why did sheriff department release the scene with blood ?
Who called Adult protective services and why? ( I know the neighbor)
I guess I just don't understand motive ( I just don't see it)but yet this seems like it was planned out to some degree. I also have issues with NG home seems as though nothing was disrupted if they released the scene so quickly. This person or people (or someone in charge) thought some stuff out and that is why they are struggling with evidence. Imo

Totally agree. What is the motive? Could it be a game to them? Like a catch me if you can situation? If so, why NG? Because it would garner a lot of media attention based on her daughter's occupation?

 

[dogmom805]

OK, so I've been behind in the news the past few days. Just watched the video of the neighbor, "J".

WOW. Does resemble lantana man. Quick to point a finger at SIL. Apparently lives 15 min away and revisiting the crime scene, intense interest.

I don't know if this is verified or a rumor that "J's" last name is the same as the home owner where the mother and son were detained that is connected to the RR?

 

[Laura Avery]

What in the world...

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What are we looking for please?

 

[Sadi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024170890162745697

TMZ reported the ransom email received today graphically describes the consequences if the ransom isn’t paid. This gives me the creeps.

 

[dogmom805]

My theories and things that got me scratching my head..
If it was kidnapping why would they not push more for a ransom with proof if life?
Robbery doesn't seem likely because you wouldn't want dead weight to have to worry about.
Walmart clothing bought to be generic because 1000s of people's buy the same stuff. If planned ahead of time they may have ordered through app.
Seems as though the guy at front door was just there for looks.
Why did sheriff department release the scene with blood ?
Who called Adult protective services and why? ( I know the neighbor)
I guess I just don't understand motive ( I just don't see it)but yet this seems like it was planned out to some degree. I also have issues with NG home seems as though nothing was disrupted if they released the scene so quickly. This person or people (or someone in charge) thought some stuff out and that is why they are struggling with evidence. Imo

Do we KNOW the neighbor called APS? IS there a link to this? TY

 

[scandiamerican]

I’ve cropped the screenshots to approximate the same perspective as the unbackpacked man image. I tried to grab several of the same area for comparison. Hopefully obviously, I’ve not altered the images except bring up contrast and circling the area of interest.

Look at the differences.

I’ve added a postfacto screenshot from the other side that was on Fox News: Blood drops visible on the porch of Nancy Guthrie’s home | Fox News Video

 

[cady]

Search this thread for the word “premonition” and you should find one of the two interviews in the comment the “premonition” poster is replying to.

"premonition" LOL jmo

 

[Charlot123]

FTDNA was the first company to offer GF testing and analysis, including autosomal, YDNA, MtDNA. It was the go to company when it started in 2000 and for quite some time. To this day it is the best place to go for YDNA and MtDNA testing.

Ancestry did not offer autosomal kits until 2012 and did not become the power house it is today until some years later. People used FTDNA for quite some time. It had more tools for analysis as did GedMatch and the larger data bases at the time.

Now of course Ancestry is the site with the largest data base, and has the fabulous genealogy trees attached to the matches in many cases and the ability for people to make family trees with lots of help and support. They have done very sophisticated norm group research so the ethnic breakdown and historical location of ancestors is amazing. It is the go to site now.

I don't know about the thought process of younger people and LE involvement. Some older people were not so concerned about big brother or LE access back in the day. The figured that if a relative committed a crime then and got nabbed that was fine. But the threat of Big Brother accessing data is more a concern today I think.

Ancestry became huge because genealogists recommended it. Personally, I feel they shot themselves in the foot by not doing Y or mito. I liked 23@me with its oldest interface. (The newer one was horrible and cost its then-owner her own husband and the company, its reputation).

Gedmatch was great and had lots of tools but its owners had to sell it after the whole ruckus caused by GSK and mostly, Paul Holes advertising himself. After that, lots of people pulled their DNAs out of the Gedmatch. Gedmatch as we know it is gone.

FTDNA: I spent a lot of money on but so far, to no avail: my ancestors have no big Y matches. But I’d agree, they are great and have good specialists. But, they do work with LE. To their credit they don’t make a secret out of it.

I think everyone thinks the same: I pay to buy the kits and here is what I get for my money. I don’t pay them for LE or insurance companies to crawl over my DNA for free. Realistically we can’t prevent it but I think most people will stop using the commercial companies tainted by poor protection from either. Young people feel way worse about it, IMO.

Practically nothing is safe, though. However, let us say someone broke into a DNA company and found two close cousins of a criminal and through them, the criminal. Who can then prevent these cousins from suing both the company and LE? The company may say that their DNAs were not “critical” in the process, but: if they know that the cousin has been arrested, they understand that their DNAs and maybe, their trees had to be examined in the process, and it is enough to say: you looked at my DNA without my consent. Not because these cousins care about the criminal. They may be happy that he is caught. But at the same time, they didn’t give their written consent for a 3d party to look at their personal DNAs.

Think of the huge lawsuit against 23@me when the 3d party broke into it. It was a different group, but the issue was about data privacy.

 

[penguinface]

OK, so I've been behind in the news the past few days. Just watched the video of the neighbor, "J".

WOW. Does resemble lantana man. Quick to point a finger at SIL. Apparently lives 15 min away and revisiting the crime scene, intense interest.

I don't know if this is verified or a rumor that "J's" last name is the same as the home owner where the mother and son were detained that is connected to the RR?

It’s not verified that it’s the J in the video’s name, could be a completely different person with the same first name, but there does seem to be a JD who lives in Tucson.

JMO

 

[kansasmom6]

Totally agree. What is the motive? Could it be a game to them? Like a catch me if you can situation? If so, why NG? Because it would garner a lot of media attention based on her daughter's occupation?

I mean if they wanted to get fame I would think they would leave clues to get caught.. or is it a game with LE? I'm just so stuck on motive.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Go @othram !!!!

He was just on FOX News a few minutes ago.

 

[cady]

TMZ reported the ransom email received today graphically describes the consequences if the ransom isn’t paid. This gives me the creeps.

TMZ gives ME the creeps. jmo

 

[scandiamerican]

Also, it was not until I was making the comparison that I realized with a creepy shudder that non-backpack man seems to be holding something in his right hand (viewer’s left), which blocks a bit of his pants on the leg. But he’s holding it a bit out from his body. It is too pixilated for me to tell what it is.

 

[SaraSmile]

Here is the link that @submarine7 appears to be referring to, without giving us that simple answer:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021285842044494279

In it, Patel says that the images came from NG's nest camera from the morning she disappeared. Assuming that that's correct, my thought that the "no backpack" photo could have been from January 11 is incorrect.

It still seems likely that this is a thumbnail from a slightly earlier time that night/morning, and that the lack of a shadow is from the moon being obscured by a cloud, from the moon being in a different position at that time, or from the poor resolution of the thumbnail.

(At the risk of a lighter note, we can rule out lantana man being a vampire because he casts a shadow later on.)

JMO

Haha, funny.
Also, in seriousness, I really like your thought process about shadows, images at different times.
Some new thoughts, after we have rehashed so much info.

JMO

 

[maskedwoman]

Sounds more like desperation than following actual leads to me. The only indication the perp could be Hispanic is the fact that the area has a lot of Hispanics and because that sketch artist (questionably) put out a sketch with very Hispanic leaning looks. I personally don't think you can tell that much detail about the perps face or ethnicity from the video. If you take that sketch and have an AI like Gemini's nano banana give it lighter skin and a bit lighter hair while keeping the beard and mustache and keeping the same facial structure you end up with a very white looking caucasian guy with the exact same facial features. DM me if you want to see those results.

Maybe, but we don't know what evidence is being kept back, so we don't know how they drew their conclusions. The FBI has all kinds of "toys", like excellent facial recognition. They might have pulled DMV pictures of all the local people the facial recognition assigned a certain percentage match to. Then measure where the video guy hits the bricks and that gives you a close height, to exclude people who are too tall or too short.

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[SaraSmile]

As a person who also has a licensed duty to warn I can tell you that it would not be uncommon for LE to bring APS in on the 1st requested welfare check. It does appear that very initially into this event LE may have considered it an elderly person with dementia wandering etc due to several statements by family that NG was sharp as a tack. IMO. These have been posted much earlier in this thread

It’s great to have your expertise here.
Thank you!

JMO

 

[Trino]

Totally agree. What is the motive? Could it be a game to them? Like a catch me if you can situation? If so, why NG? Because it would garner a lot of media attention based on her daughter's occupation?

Just think it was a botched robbery. When NG tried to flee, she fell, unconscious, did not recover. Shocked at NG lying there so took nothing except NG so there would be no possibility of blame for murder. Could not cover up break in. Body dumped. Don't believe Bitcoin scammers were related to abductors. Criminals are long gone from Tucson. Just my latest theory, subject to change at a moment's notice.