AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[MesquiteO21]

I felt this very strongly earlier on in the case and voiced it in here but then several people convinced me HL is running everything by the FBI and taking instruction from them. Thats the only thing keeping me from feeling they're horrific.

The teaser/lead up (can’t remember what it’s called in television) I saw today just really was so distasteful “coming up! We’ve received a new ransom letter”

I don’t believe they did that previously unless I missed it. Before it was just HL sitting down talking about the letter which I didn’t find disrespectful because it was basically just straight reporting. But now it’s like it’s a show. Even if the letters are fake - which I’m leaning towards- it’s still a horrible situation and it just seemed like they’re turning it into a game or a joke.

moo

 

[TIGER0822]

But they would call the family first?why wouldn't they call the police?Who would think to call aps first before 911?it doesn't make sense to me, moo

dbm

 

[SRWCF]

I'm just wondering with all these comments, what is the implication of this card having being left? The sheriff has addressed it which was posted up above. What makes it such an issue?

I personally think it's a non-issue in the bigger scheme of things. But it is curious the timing of it all.

 

[1.618]

Do we even know what it was, specifically? I have seen BP meds mentioned here. She has a pacemaker. I have seen blood thinners mentioned here. Is this speculation or was a medication list or even class of medications documented anywhere? moo

There has been no mention of the specific medications outside of a "blood thinner" (i.e. an anti-coagulant). Anti-coagulants are taken for a number of reasons but most commonly for those that have had a stroke or blood clot or are at risk of one of these (i.e. patients with mechanical heart valves, atrial fibrillation, heart stents, etc.).

 

[MyJoey]

I agree it would have been very difficult to move her without her walking out on her own. It would have been a very slow process if she had walked out, which I don't believe she did. Has it ever been mentioned if her cane was missing also?
MOO

My first thought was, were any shoes missing?

 

[Jenny9]

That is so sweet all of the people leaving flowers and such for Nancy. Heartwarming. I hope she can come home and see all of them for herself.

It is sweet!but I hope they are watching and finding out what florists they're coming from,could be someone sending or bringing flowers everyday?

 

[shonyakay]

As far as polygraphs go - keep in mind that it is just a tool that LE uses in addition to many other methods because guilty people can pass and innocent people can fail.

 

[steff13]

And if all of those possibilities were found to be true .. then what? What are you all implying? I keep seeing all these posts going in circles about this card but not seeing how it relates to the abduction of NG.
MOO

Well my original question quite a few pages back now was why would a neighbor call Adult Protective Services? As far as we know AG was alerted to NG being missing by a friend from the virtual church service. AG then went to NG's home, found her missing, and called LE. So the first person to realize something was amiss was the church friend, then AG + spouse, then LE.

It doesn't make any sense, to me, for the neighbor to call APS when LE had already been called; one would assume the situation was already being taken care of. But then that means the neighbor called APS before LE was called. So did this neighbor know NG was missing before anyone else did? It's just puzzling to me, and I would like to know exactly how the APS call transpired.

 

[Skagirl]

WHO IS THIS NEIGHBOR? Have they talked to the neighbor?

Speculation here--but did the perp call? Has the call been traced? Here's my reasoning for my speculation. If the perp thought NG wouldn't be noticed missing until well after the ransom was sent--how would you get LE to her house then? The perp wouldn't want to call LE directly, so what's the next best thing? Adult Protective Services?

....and I still go back to.....why didn't Debra M---dial 911 when she saw the blood on the porch?

Something just doesn't add up here for me.

I had a similar thought earlier today that I posted and then deleted because I figured we would get told that it was yet again something we were mistaken about and that the Sheriff misspoke about when APS was actually called. It’s definitely the another weird thing in this case to add to the list.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

But they would call the family first?why wouldn't they call the police?Who would think to call aps first before 911?it doesn't make sense to me, moo

WE had a guy where I live who was loosing his mind. IE: Dementia or Alzheimer's or something like that. A seasonal person to the area (think snowbirds) decided to purchase his house from him as he decided he was going to travel the country following NASCAR. Well, the poor ole fella was the victim of a robbery in New Orleans and his friend was killed. (he told me that story) Anyways, he also told me the person who bought his house would NOT sell it back to him and he had to rent his own house back. We are talking maybe a few weeks. She also locked him out of his garage where he kept his race cars and couldn't access them.

In any event, I called Adult Protective Services. I didn't call LE. I thought he may have been financially exploited. However, unfortunately APS didn't do anything. It was really disappointing. Others in the area thought he was being exploited as well.

Long story short---when you think someone is being exploited--you call APS and not LE. BUT---that being said, who called and why? What did they know that caused them so much concern that they felt APS needed to get involved?

 

[Jenny9]

Brilliant analysis. The timing of all of this matters, I think, and after their initial presser with the times, LE hasn't detailed too much to the public about their further thoughts of the times of everything.

If the suspeccts were really in the house for 41 minutes, that seems like quite a bit of time. Curious what they were doing .

 

[ab01]

And if all of those possibilities were found to be true .. then what? What are you all implying? I keep seeing all these posts going in circles about this card but not seeing how it relates to the abduction of NG.
MOO

It's a big fat nothingburger.

 

[cherryleaf]

I agree it would have been very difficult to move her without her walking out on her own. It would have been a very slow process if she had walked out, which I don't believe she did. Has it ever been mentioned if her cane was missing also?
MOO

No mention of the cane. Very few public details available

 

[Jenny9]

What this means to me is the woman from APS had no idea about NG, which is what I, having stayed in Tucson, stated. The news is out now, but prior to this I don't think most people in Tucson had any idea of NG or the connection to SG. NG lived in an elite section of the city where most don't go or interact.

Exactly

 

[MistyWaters]

Its interesting that they were able to do that with a house full of family and police but no one saw that?or heard the knocks i would assume at the door?spider sense on!

Would family or the police have wanted to involve APS in NG’s disappearance, also at a time when the residence was being frantically examined for possible clues to her whereabouts? Probably nobody present in the home would give this woman the time of day and so her only option would’ve been to leave a business card. Whether anyone heard her knocks isn’t the issue, leaving her card indicates she didn’t accomplish what she set out to do, whatever that was.
JMO

 

[Lebowski]

As far as polygraphs go - keep in mind that it is just a tool that LE uses in addition to many other methods because guilty people can pass and innocent people can fail.

that's being generous

imo, the only valuable thing about polygraphs is a lot of people *think* they work, so they're less likely to lie to investigators.

 

[Napoli]

We don't know for sure, but I tend to think APS came by because of the call that NG was missing. Still, some elderly are abused. Governments wouldn't need APS departments if that didn't happen. Personally, I think it should be a capital crime.

Maybe it was a real card but not placed there by APS. For a welfare check, you call 911. Who would even THINK (or IMAGINE) NG was being abused? What neighbor would want to call attention to themselves this way knowing the cops were already there? Why did someone jump the gun and call APS? Did they want to imply NG was being abused? Take suspicion off themselves or BRING ATTENTION to themselves? For all we know, that card is a ruse too and may be a more valuable clue than any sleuth realizes. . I am not satisfied with the explanation that the neighbor called APS. MOO JMO

 

[Warshawski]

"I’m going to give that to my team. They’ll look at that. They’ll analyze it and we’ll see," he shared with NBC News. "Maybe it is [a ring]."
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Thank goodness they have Eagle-eyed WS to alert them to things that need to be checked !

 

[factseeking]

The teaser/lead up (can’t remember what it’s called in television) I saw today just really was so distasteful “coming up! We’ve received a new ransom letter”

I don’t believe they did that previously unless I missed it. Before it was just HL sitting down talking about the letter which I didn’t find disrespectful because it was basically just straight reporting. But now it’s like it’s a show. Even if the letters are fake - which I’m leaning towards- it’s still a horrible situation and it just seemed like they’re turning it into a game or a joke.

moo

I think you're right about the teaser plus it was so bizarre to me after they said yesterday and today that they weren't going to talk any further ransom notes they received. FBI must have told them to reveal it I guess.

 

[Jenny9]

bbm

if it's a burglary (most common break-in crime iirc), then the long dwell time is consistent with the perp(s) being after something specific that they had trouble finding or accessing. either hidden valuables or something in a safe.

other things are also consistent with this. bringing a weapon to a burglary is unusual, but makes sense if they planned to confront the victim (making it an armed robbery too). also, waking her up was probably avoidable, and they likely could have fled or overpowered her as needed even if they'd woken her accidentally. yet they woke her and took her with them. imo, this could have been because she wouldn't give them the combo to a safe and they needed to get out of there. people keep asking why lantana man came with a full backpack. it may have been full of tools to remove a safe from the wall, e.g.

all just my speculation based on published facts of the case and what I think I know of the statistics.

She wore hearing aids, you don't sleep with them in your ears,she wouldn't hear them,imoo,it took a bit to rouse her awake that would take time,41 min to get her dressed and out and im still with kidnapping for revenge and money,I think personal, someone that was known to her ,moo