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But if NG was in a car trunk, SUV back hatch or in the back of a van, especially with AZ plates, in the middle of the night, how could LE possibly know which vehicle to focus on, without something they can trace to NG's house (tire tracks) or neighborhood (via neighbors' cameras)?
This also applies to crossing the border. While I tend to think she’s closer to home, I think it would be easy to put her in the trunk of any vehicle and cross the border. Who would be any wiser?
 
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Would someone be so kind as to give a brief summary of the APS business card that’s been mentioned in relation to NG? I’ve seen it referenced several times in this thread, but I’m still unclear on how and when it was reportedly found.

I understand why people are curious about who may have called and for what reason. I’m just not sure why the card itself is being viewed as especially significant, particularly since I haven’t seen investigators address it publicly. I may have missed it, but I also haven’t seen any news coverage about the card. If anyone can clarify or point me to the original source of that information, I’d really appreciate it. Thank you in advance.
Again, listen to what they are not saying. Other than a brief remark from Nanos saying a neighbor called APS, that was it. The link was posted again upthread. That was rather dismissive to me. I think it's not to be ignored. APS card that surfaces on door the day after she is found missing is outside the box. PERHAPS, MY DELUSIONAL, UNHINGED PERP, called APS. He was rescuing NG from her thoughtless daughter..the same thoughtless daughter that has been ignoring his advances and making him pine for attention!! OR, maybe he called APS on Friday, knowing he was going to abduct her over the weekend and thinking he was assuring that her absence would be noticed by APS? Think outside the box. MOO JMO
 
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It looks like this is a left handed person. That’s an identifier if someone is suspicious it could be someone they know. He covers the camera with his right hand but uses the dominant hand to mess with the camera. He uses his left hand to grab the brush or plant. Seems small but anything helps!
Watching the video again, he does seem to do a lot with his left hand - reach for lantana plant, try to remove camera, put lantana plant up to camera. I would agree that he is likely left handed.
 
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Who knows who the suspect is, Richard Allen lived in Delphi and there was audio and video of him, no one suspected him.

In MOO, if she was still alive there would have been some proof of life shown by now.

Hopefully they can find this/these individuals
 
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Where is the suspect? Someone has to know who he is. If he lives at home, you would think his family would know if he has a backpack/jacket like the ones shown, is he missing work? Did he leave his home without anyone noticing? Where did he take Nancy? He could be living on his own maybe, but he would need to get out and shop, work etc. I can’t believe he just vanished. Every morning I check the news to see if anyone has been arrested and Nancy found.
I agree. It would be pretty difficult to hold a full time job whilst holding someone captive in your home. Unless you were unemployed, a contract worker of sorts, self employed, work exclusively from home.
 
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Against all odds, against everyone’s advice, if it were my mother, I would pay the ransom. I would rather look back knowing I had lost 6 million if I had it, than to think I lost my mother. JMO.
 
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IIRC there is only one way (road) in and out of Nancy's property. They could be looking at all doorbell or cam footage they can get to see if one car in particular made trips by the residence during that month. I doubt there is a lot of traffic in general, so a car checking out or driving by that residence would probably stick out.

JMO

Good point.

Btw, it was actually "Savannah Guthrie" searched on December 28, 2025 twice
Based on City it lists Tubac
Based on Metro it lists Sierra Vista

"Nancy Guthrie" was searched 1 time on December 22, 2025 and 1 time on January 9, 2026
Based on City it lists Catalina Foothills
Based on Metro it lists Sierra Vista
 
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Per Google trends Google searches that I conducted....

December 22, 2025
"Nancy Guthrie" was searched 1 time
Based on City it lists Catalina foothills
Based on Metro it lists Sierra Vista

December 28, 2025
"Savannah Guthrie" was searched 2 times
Based on City it lists Tubac
Based on Metro it lists Sierra Vista

January 9, 2026
"Nancy Guthrie" was searched 1 time
Based on City it lists Catalina foothills
Based on Metro it lists Sierra Vista

February 9, 2026
"Is Bitcoin traceable" is Googled 100 times
Based on Metro it lists Sierra Vista

I think LE may have different sources than the public has access to. JMO

<snipped>

A source familiar also told Fox News Digital that law enforcement would use investigative tools like subpoenas, not publicly available marketing information.

Internet user searched for Nancy Guthrie's address and daughter's salary before 'Today' host's mother vanished

Still keeping up hope for Nancy no matter how dire the circumstances seem right now.
 
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Proper grammar? Because TMZ is so sophisticated? jmo
Grammar, spelling, punctuation, command of vocabulary. Complex sentence structure? Possibly highly descriptive adjectives not as common in daily verbiage. JMO
 
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I think LE may have different sources than the public has access to. JMO

<snipped>

A source familiar also told Fox News Digital that law enforcement would use investigative tools like subpoenas, not publicly available marketing information.

Internet user searched for Nancy Guthrie's address and daughter's salary before 'Today' host's mother vanished

Still keeping up hope for Nancy no matter how dire the circumstances seem right now.

True, true friend. Just sharing what one can pull up publicly on Google Trends.

Publicly those searches and dates that LE has is not viewable to the public.

I think Sheriff Nanos was right that Technology will end up solving this.
 
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Grammar, spelling, punctuation, command of vocabulary. Complex sentence structure? Possibly highly descriptive adjectives not as common in daily verbiage. JMO
I was kidding about TMZ's assessment of sophistication. jmo
 
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Possibly a Church friend, who did not want to embarrass her by calling 911, and called APS instead to do a welfare check.

The Best explanation to me is that when there is a Silver Alert... senior citizen missing, this office automatically sends someone to the scene to offer their services, if needed.
Even if APS is called in by a neighbor.... still connects, since it seems part of the APS services is to be quickly available when someone goe missing.
Makes such sense....
 
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I found a local paper carried an article about Savannah Guthrie on 5 Nov 2025. In it she talks about growing up in the Catalina Foothilks and lists the schools she attended. I believe she also references visiting her mom who still lives in Catalina Foothills. Page A1 and A4. (Highlights by me)View attachment 646610
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This could have very easily caused some less than healthy attention to Nancy and SG.

Sad that such a lovely article could have potentially been a trigger for some criminal(s).

MOO
 
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Where is the suspect?
above snipped by me. He might be right here! He is probably compulsively on multiple internet sites watching what leads are coming in. He may be holed up somewhere, sending ransom notes to TMZ. He craves attention and is enjoying the 24/7 news. . NG just might still be alive. He may be sitting with her, his trophy, and feeling like a child with a new toy. He is waiting for SG to address him again in a video. JMO
 
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I found a local paper carried an article about Savannah Guthrie on 5 Nov 2025. In it she talks about growing up in the Catalina Foothilks and lists the schools she attended. I believe she also references visiting her mom who still lives in Catalina Foothills. Page A1 and A4. (Highlights by me)View attachment 646610View attachment 646610View attachment 646612


Watching the video again, he does seem to do a lot with his left hand - reach for lantana plant, try to remove camera, put lantana plant up to camera. I would agree that he is likely left handed.
Am R handed. Always open a door with my L hand.
 
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The Best explanation to me is that when there is a Silver Alert... senior citizen missing, this office automatically sends someone to the scene to offer their services, if needed.
Makes such sense....
except, FWIW Nanos said a neighbor called APS. jmo
 
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Maybe Sheriff Nanos made up the neighbor call because they don't want to reveal why APS was called. JMO

No, I don't think so.

It makes sense to me that a savvy neighbor was seeking further information on what was going on at NG’s home by contacting APS and then getting a reply back from them as to the status of their check.

But I’m not on the nipping at the heels of the Sheriff bunch. I’ve had enough work contact to know LE can be whiny about leadership so I don’t put much in some reports. Guess it’s the kind of work they do takes a certain type to carry out their duties; heroes but also regular people trying to pay bills and keep up with their families like everyone else.


I agree. The neighbor story and timeline of when APS would’ve come to the house that morning but not seen LE or AG just doesn’t make sense to me

Where does it say the neighbors didn't see LE? Or AG? Seeing both is what alarmed them, imo.

The neighbors couldn't miss LE according to my quote from one of them in my post.

My link in the post says the neighbors were concerned about the police response and drones and didn't know what was going on with all the frantic activity.


all imo
 
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Per Google trends Google searches that I conducted....

December 22, 2025
"Nancy Guthrie" was searched 1 time
Based on City it lists Catalina foothills
Based on Metro it lists Sierra Vista

December 28, 2025
"Savannah Guthrie" was searched 2 times
Based on City it lists Tubac
Based on Metro it lists Sierra Vista

January 9, 2026
"Nancy Guthrie" was searched 1 time
Based on City it lists Catalina foothills
Based on Metro it lists Sierra Vista

February 9, 2026
"Is Bitcoin traceable" is Googled 100 times
Based on Metro it lists Sierra Vista

While this is interesting and I think there’s something there… Google Trends is also not super reliable. I forget which event in particular, Brown or the DC shooting of the National Guardsmen, one could look at the name for a brief period of time and see what appeared to be searches in the days leading up to the shooting. These results then disappeared as data got more normalized or something.

I do think CP alluded to Google searches in one of his interviews with independent media (maybe BE?), so it would appear LE is following this line of investigation in any case.

JMO
 
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except, FWIW Nanos said a neighbor called APS. jmo
Still seems connected... i.e. APS makes themselves available to a missing person's family as soon as possible.
 
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I've noticed that there is some weird light movement going on behind him in the part of the video where he is holding the foliage up to the camera. I wondered if it was someone else sweeping a torchlight around, or if it was the movement of car lights in the distance. But it seems to shine inside the porch area, because he is silhouetted against a completely black background before and after, and doesn't seem to be moving his head at all, IMO.

You need to play the video on 0.25 speed to really catch it, between time stamps 0.33 and 0.37 in the video -

screenshots where I've tried to capture it
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no light here -
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Looking closely at the first video, the perp is knocking at the cam with his left hand. He then goes and grabs a handful of the lantana to cover it but holds it in his right...did anyone else notice a bracelet or maybe a wrist tattoo on that left hand at about the 13 second mark?

Maybe hallucinating, need more coffee. ETA: Yep Left

MOO
 
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