AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[BigCityAccountant]

Another really great article on DNA mixture.

We often shed small amounts of DNA when we talk, sneeze and touch things. As a result, many surfaces are likely to contain mixtures of minute amounts of DNA from several people. These mixtures have always been present at crime scenes, but when sensitivity was lower, they wouldn’t have been detected or, if they were, labs would not have attempted to interpret them. That is no longer the case.

DNA Mixtures: A Forensic Science Explainer

What are DNA mixtures? And why are they sometimes so difficult to interpret?

www.nist.gov

Forensic scientists are likely to detect more DNA mixtures when using high sensitivity DNA methods than when using low sensitivity methods. In this imagined crime scene, different colors represent DNA from different individuals. Illustration by K. Irvine/NIST based on a concept illustrated in Making Sense of Forensic Genetics.

IMHO, they have a mixture of the perps DNA with NG's.

 

[SkidRogue]

I live in an expat village in Mexico. There are many wealthy Americans here who have large, beautiful homes. They do not live behind gates, jumping at every little sound. There are also many American and Canadian retirees, people in their 70s, 80s, and even 90s, who go out alone during the day and night. (There are lots of drinking holes for old folks.) There is VERY little crime in these areas because the Mexican government does not want to discourage foreign investment and tourism. The Mexican government does not want negative publicity. They are also VERY aware of the current political climate in the US. So, I can not understand why anyone in Mexico, cartel or not, would cross the border and steal a famous American’s mother. I’m not saying it’s 100% impossible, but it is definitely not probable. MOO

 

[PayrollNerd]

RSBM
Respectfully, I disagree.

Recent NG pics show bruising and a big bandaid on her forearm , which is a classic presentation for someone on an anti-coagulent (e.g. Warfarin) - they easily bruise and bleed. So I suspect NG was likely on an anti-coagulent. That is not uncommon for folks with stroke risk and heart rhythm issues.

So, if that presumption is correct, then note:

"If you stop taking warfarin, your blood will start clotting at the same rate as before you started taking it, usually within a day or two of stopping."

"This means you may be at an increased risk of serious problems like strokes, heart attacks, deep vein thrombosis (DVT) or pulmonary embolism."

Therefore, I suspect that's why we heard early reference to grave concern for NG's wellbeing after 24 or 48 hours without her meds.

We are now at about 432 hours. That is why I suspect NG has not survived, as much as I'd like to see her reunited with her family.

Common questions about warfarin

NHS medicines information on common questions about warfarin.

www.nhs.uk

IMO.

Yup, Eloquis twice daily here. I’ve survived 7 blood clots. I’m allowed to stop 24 hours before surgery and as soon as I’m coherent afterward, I’m back on it. It’s an expensive, critical med for some of us.

 

[penguinface]

I work in a field where I’m a mandated reporter. While I’ve never called APS, I have called CPS. Even when contacting someone during normal business hours, it’s normally a day or two before they do a house visit.

Sooo the neighbor called APS on a Sunday morning and someone showed up within a couple hours? Idk

When I’ve called CPS in the past, they’ve also said to contact LE if there’s an immediate danger bc that’s their role.

Idk. This whole thing is so odd to me. MOO

I think it’s mostly likely that, like you say, it’s normally a day or two before they do a visit and the visit was made on the Monday morning, before the media vehicles all started to arrive that lunchtime/afternoon.

JMO

 

[sds71]

@mikerreports

NEW this morning:

I’m told that the Jan. 11 date and specific timeframe of between 9 pm and midnight also surfaced during an FBI canvass of Nancy Guthrie’s neighborhood, when agents were asking neighbors for home security video. One of the neighbors canvassed then made the post on the Ring app. The FBI did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The PCSD says it is seeking video from a wider range of dates — Jan. 1 to Feb. 2.

 

[Laura Avery]

Hi..does anyone have a full stitched video of the suspect on the porch? All the ones im finding the sides get blurred or cut off on you tube or someone posts themselves over it. Ive seen something id like to get a closer look at. Many thanks!

 

[Laura Avery]

Paywalled

Oh thats a shame, its ok here for me. Nothing interesting but im sure it was "Armchair detectives" That found the backpack?

 

[rebel123]

Has the 'Google searches' been discussed?
I think so, I think that's relevant, especially the dates.
An 'idea' becomes a 'plan', does anyone know how the
dates fit in with 'The Today' show, i.e. SG and NG at NG
home?

 

[warp3dwing]

I was watching Dr G on YT yesterday and he pointed out that the back pack is most likely unzipped or the zip burst open at the top. You can see it in this image, that which I had previously thought was the handle.

You can see it more clearly in this shot
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https://twitter.com/x/status/2023590291765129405

MOO

Ah, yes, I see what you mean. The main compartment is open, and it appears like something inside is rigid enough to hold shape.

It doesn't appear like the suspect is concerned about small objects tumbling out when he bends down to pick the lantana.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I think it’s mostly likely that, like you say, it’s notmally a day or two before they do a visit and the visit was made on the Monday morning, before the media vehicles all started to arrive that lunchtime/afternoon.

JMO

ok, BUT--if it was Monday morning, they had already determined SUNDAY there was a crime scene and called in homicide. I'll ask again---this person shows up at the door, there is blood on the ground in the doorway, did they call 911? Were they NOT alarmed by the site of the blood in the doorway? It just doesn't make sense.

If the sheriff's office wanted to dispel the sleuths from bringing this up over and over, why not come out and say, yes she was there, she noticed the blood, she called 911. But we are not hearing that. What we are hearing is she showed up AFTER it was determined to be a crime scene. Lastly, why was she allowed to walk up to the door AFTER it was determined to be a crime scene? Why wasn't the scene taped off.

Many on here have opinioned that a defense lawyer would have a field day with the contamination on this case because of how the SO's office handled this scene. THIS APS person who walked up on a crime scene is one of those things a defense lawyer would have a field day with.

I sure hope when this perp is caught---he is convicted and doesn't get off on a technicality like this. That would just break my heart if that happened and it would be such an injustice to NG and her family.

 

[maskedwoman]

some one upthread who was a shoe seller or former shoe seller said they looked like loafers but I thought in parts of the doorway video they seemed to have laces (?) IMO. The video is really grainy so tough for me to tell what is real and what is artifact. They did not look work down, ripped or dirty to me FWIW, so I think this person is not living under a cactus. IMO.

adding a screenshot of a former post:
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Those are much better pictures of the shoes. I agree that it looks like two different pairs of shoes. Hey Dudes/Ariats and some of kind athletic shoe.

 

[LRinCA]

I work in a field where I’m a mandated reporter. While I’ve never called APS, I have called CPS. Even when contacting someone during normal business hours, it’s normally a day or two before they do a house visit.

Sooo the neighbor called APS on a Sunday morning and someone showed up within a couple hours? Idk

When I’ve called CPS in the past, they’ve also said to contact LE if there’s an immediate danger bc that’s their role.

Idk. This whole thing is so odd to me. MOO

BBM

And in the middle of a crime scene, which I assume it was since Nanos said something about getting homicide in once the house was evaluated.

 

[RatFace]

Agree. It is infantilizing an entire demographic. Many elders in my extended family are awake past midnight and sleep late.

I schedule community volunteers, largely retirees, because they have time to volunteer. Most are elderly women, many are widowed or divorced and live alone.

I can say confidently from this experience, seniors are just like younger demographics: Early birds prefer to volunteer for a morning shift. Night owls laugh if offered a morning shift and prefer afternoon or evening.

The duration of the shift varies for seniors. Some prefer a shorter shifts, either because volunteering is tiring or because they have other activities to get to. Others happily volunteer for shifts of 8 hours. Stamina and shift choice vary with seniors. It's not one size fits all.

The demographics that skews most toward morning shifts are parents of schoolchildren. Those who are night owls by nature must adapt to regimented school start times.

And age-related changes in physical and mental abilities vary a lot. A group of 20 year olds are going to be a whole lot more similar to one another than a group of 80 year olds. That's why it's important not to stereotype.

 

[Jade]

I work in a field where I’m a mandated reporter. While I’ve never called APS, I have called CPS. Even when contacting someone during normal business hours, it’s normally a day or two before they do a house visit.

Sooo the neighbor called APS on a Sunday morning and someone showed up within a couple hours? Idk

When I’ve called CPS in the past, they’ve also said to contact LE if there’s an immediate danger bc that’s their role.

Idk. This whole thing is so odd to me. MOO

I don’t find it unusual for a neighbor to have contacts or connections with APS.

In my community there are also lots of snow bird retirees who are far from home and family so they rely on each other.

The active ones that are able are faithful volunteers, both officially and unofficially [independently check on and run errands, etc. for a neighbor, friend], to be helpers of other elders.

For the retired volunteers I’ve had contact with they are not shy about calling on staff.

Most staff give out their cell phone numbers so they can be contacted since they don’t spend a lot of time at a desk.

I think its great there was quick response by APS.

This family has many resources but if they didn’t, if it wasn’t a Guthrie, then an out of town family member may want some resources and support.

Many volunteer opportunities with seniors where they could have contact with APS staff:

Volunteer at PCOA - Pima Council on Aging

Volunteer - Mobile Meals of Southern Arizona | Meal Delivery Service

Eastside Neighbors Volunteer Program - JustServe

Lend A Hand Senior Assistance | Tucson


Info on how popular Tucson is with retirees:

Moving to Tucson? Here's Everything Retirees Need to Know

Why Forbes Ranked Tucson, AZ as One of the Best Places to Retire in 2025 - See Tucson Homes

all imo

 

[SMK777]

@mikerreports

NEW this morning:

I’m told that the Jan. 11 date and specific timeframe of between 9 pm and midnight also surfaced during an FBI canvass of Nancy Guthrie’s neighborhood, when agents were asking neighbors for home security video. One of the neighbors canvassed then made the post on the Ring app. The FBI did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The PCSD says it is seeking video from a wider range of dates — Jan. 1 to Feb. 2.

They must feel that maybe a vehicle was seen returning after.

 

[m00c0w]

ok, BUT--if it was Monday morning, they had already determined SUNDAY there was a crime scene and called in homicide. I'll ask again---this person shows up at the door, there is blood on the ground in the doorway, did they call 911? Were they NOT alarmed by the site of the blood in the doorway? It just doesn't make sense.

If the sheriff's office wanted to dispel the sleuths from bringing this up over and over, why not come out and say, yes she was there, she noticed the blood, she called 911. But we are not hearing that. What we are hearing is she showed up AFTER it was determined to be a crime scene. Lastly, why was she allowed to walk up to the door AFTER it was determined to be a crime scene? Why wasn't the scene taped off.

Many on here have opinioned that a defense lawyer would have a field day with the contamination on this case because of how the SO's office handled this scene. THIS APS person who walked up on a crime scene is one of those things a defense lawyer would have a field day with.

I sure hope when this perp is caught---he is convicted and doesn't get off on a technicality like this. That would just break my heart if that happened and it would be such an injustice to NG and her family.

I’m not convinced there would be much exculpatory from the handling of the scene. The DNA, for instance, seems to have been processed from the initial search of the house.

The sheriff said the DNA was collected from the crime scene the morning investigators processed Nancy Guthrie’s home but declined to specify whether it was found inside or outside the house.

DNA found at Nancy Guthrie’s home not hers or close contacts: Sheriff

Authorities in Arizona have found DNA belonging to someone other than Nancy Guthrie or those in close contact with her on her property.

www.newsnationnow.com

There would not be much else to challenge. Most of the evidence will come from either digital sources (phone records, video footage, LPR readers, etc) or after the folks responsible are arrested.

JMO

 

[Shanz]

Put yourself in the criminal mind. What would you do - at this point in time - with NG, assuming she is alive? Or in a criminal's mind: would she still be alive? Finally, why stay in Tucson?

Why would you kidnap someone and then not provide a clear ransom info? If this was just a stupid person doing it, by this time you’d let her go. Not going to get $$$ now. Too public. Where’s the “and don’t involve the police” note? No…sent to tmz of all places. Have they brought in cadaver dogs?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Investigators have not ruled out that an accomplice aided the suspected kidnapper seen in doorbell camera video outside the Tucson, Arizona, home of Nancy Guthrie the night of her disappearance, according to Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos.

Accomplice not ruled out in Nancy Guthrie disappearance, Arizona sheriff says

Authorities haven't named a suspect or person of interest in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance as the search continued for a third week.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[slowpoke]

ok, BUT--if it was Monday morning, they had already determined SUNDAY there was a crime scene and called in homicide. I'll ask again---this person shows up at the door, there is blood on the ground in the doorway, did they call 911? Were they NOT alarmed by the site of the blood in the doorway? It just doesn't make sense.

If the sheriff's office wanted to dispel the sleuths from bringing this up over and over, why not come out and say, yes she was there, she noticed the blood, she called 911. But we are not hearing that. What we are hearing is she showed up AFTER it was determined to be a crime scene. Lastly, why was she allowed to walk up to the door AFTER it was determined to be a crime scene? Why wasn't the scene taped off.

Many on here have opinioned that a defense lawyer would have a field day with the contamination on this case because of how the SO's office handled this scene. THIS APS person who walked up on a crime scene is one of those things a defense lawyer would have a field day with.

I sure hope when this perp is caught---he is convicted and doesn't get off on a technicality like this. That would just break my heart if that happened and it would be such an injustice to NG and her family.

Was it definitely “AFTER it was determined to be a crime scene” that the agent showed up? It’s not clear to me. jmo

Could the APS agent have come to the house on Feb 1 Sunday before the daughter came to the house to check on her mom and discover NG was missing (who then called 911)?

Or, is that not likely.

just thoughts

Michael Ruiz’s post about the business card

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Was it definitely “AFTER it was determined to be a crime scene” that the agent showed up?

Could the APS agent have come to the house on Feb 1 Sunday before the daughter came to the house to check on her mom and discover NG was missing (who then called 911)?

Or, is that not likely.

just thoughts

Michael Ruiz’s post about the business card

Well, the SO's office is saying AFTER so that's all we have to go on. I wish they would clarify when she showed up.