• #35,761
I'm not sure if anyone's posted this link already, but I just happened to read this NYT article about last Friday's SWAT raid. It was enlightening as it says that LD's mom was home alone when investigators showed up with the search warrant. It sounds like she didn't know anything and had no info for the investigators, so she went to her next-door neighbor's house to wait while they searched.

So LD was detained at the traffic stop in the Range Rover and his mom was investigated at her home? Only 2 people? For some reason I recall people saying there were 3 people involved on Friday night - 2 people at home and one at the traffic stop.

Re the mother being home alone, either Mr. Curl has it wrong or that's what the mother told him, because according to BE who was the only reporter on the scene, there were definitely 2 people brought out of the house:

 
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Daily Mail and other sharks continue to circle...


Savannah Guthrie may never return to the Today Show as she continues to grapple with her mother's disappearance, insiders say.

The 54-year-old has been off air since Nancy Guthrie's disappearance on February 1 and insiders told Status News that they believe the move will be made permanent.

'There’s no way Savannah’s coming back,' an executive told the outlet. 'I can’t imagine she would even want to.'
An Adelaide (South Australia) newsreader called Rob Kelvin suffered a terrible family tragedy in1983 when his teenage son was kidnapped, tortured and murdered. But he did go back to work eventually.
 
  • #35,763
Perhaps the looking down and the looking to the left and the slouchy nature of the perp is because he was not wearing his glasses and could not see well.
Idk who wears glasses. Spill.
 
  • #35,764
An Adelaide (South Australia) newsreader called Rob Kelvin suffered a terrible family tragedy in1983 when his teenage son was kidnapped, tortured and murdered. But he did go back to work eventually.
Sometimes work gives you a break and distraction from your reality. I know I have seen it in my own family when family members have passed away.
 
  • #35,765
I want to say this guy lives outside that neighborhood but I can't help but think if that was the case he would have been seen on camera at some point. Going down the main roads or through an intersection nearby. I know there's a couple of banks heading south on N. Campbell Road. There has to be a camera pointing towards the road. Maybe he did it old school and wrote the directions down on a piece of paper and just took an advantageous backroad route.

This guy's like a ghost or a ninja or something.
 
  • #35,766
I want to say this guy lives outside that neighborhood but I can't help but think if that was the case he would have been seen on camera at some point. Going down the main roads or through an intersection nearby. I know there's a couple of banks heading south on N. Campbell Road. There has to be a camera pointing towards the road. Maybe he did it old school and wrote the directions down on a piece of paper and just took an advantageous backroad route.

This guy's like a ghost or a ninja or something.
I definitely think it's possible that the perp drove by the house before, maybe a few times even. I think this is part of why they've gone back and asked people to check their cameras for a wide range of time
 
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I definitely think it's possible that the perp drove by the house before, maybe a few times even. I think this is part of why they've gone back and asked people to check their cameras for a wide range of time

Absolutely. Even then he probably wrote down the directions on paper instead of using GPS trying to be slick.
 
  • #35,768
Earlier I was talking about the marks seen in the driveway.

Picture source: Page Six

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“She couldn’t walk 50 yards by herself,” Nanos said at the news conference, noting that while Nancy Guthrie had mobility issues because of her age, she had no cognitive issues.


On the website Calc maps I put in a travel of Nancy that line up with the marks and go to where the marks stop.

It is exactly 50 yards.

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I am not claiming that this is what happened, or that the drag marks are from Nancy, only that it is a possibility.
It looks to me to have double tracks, as if from something with wheels either side, but not very wide . .
Could it be a wheeled walking frame ?
 
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Could someone confirm for me that LE put out a request for any possible security cameras/ ring doorbell footage within a 2 mile radius of NG's home? Thanks
 
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Second profile:

Current/former law enforcement or intelligence type who would know how not to get caught and know not to relinquish any element of control by engaging in negotiations of any kind. If this is the profile, he'll likely try again until he gets what he wants.

JMO.
There haven't been any demands at all since the first day or two.
 
  • #35,771
So here's the thing: there are very few medications that you have to take everyday to save your life. In general, if you need to take medications everyday to save your life, you're probably hospitalized -- because you have a medical condition that requires constant or frequent monitoring. So what was Nancy taking? I suspect it was a blood thinner to prevent a stroke (because of an underlying arrhythmia, which is common with age), or a medication that controls your heart rate. Every dose does not automatically = life saving. You can miss doses -- many people do.

So the theory that she is not alive because she is frail or missing medications doesn't make sense. The blood splatter in her front entrance also doesn't make sense: if she suffered a blunt injury, why was there so much blood splatter, even if she was on a blood thinner? If you're walking at a constant or near-constant pace, or carried at a constant or near-constant pace, blood splatter doesn't look like that -- it drops in a linear pattern, even if you have a nose bleed.

My theory is that she fell sometime during this episode, maybe hit her head, and suffered a subdural hematoma while she was on a blood thinner. This is a very common condition in older people who fall, especially while on a blood thinner. Are there any chipped or cracked floor tiles in her home? Did she have a cane or walker that is lying on the floor where she might have fallen? She could have suffered a nosebleed in the same fall and head trauma. Then someone carried her out. They struggled, paused, and shifted her weight, which explains the blood splatter in the front entrance. Subdural hematomas can cause loss of consciousness, and the symptoms last for days or a week -- who knows what happened from there.
 
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Could someone confirm for me that LE put out a request for any possible security cameras/ ring doorbell footage within a 2 mile radius of NG's home? Thanks

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Investigators seeking video from certain areas and times​

Authorities are seeking public assistance in the Nancy Guthrie case, urging residents to submit videos of cars from specific areas and timeframes. The Pima County Sheriff's Office and the FBI have launched new web pages to facilitate the sharing of any relevant information.

Investigators are particularly interested in any leads, especially videos of cars, said the FBI. On the FBI's website, users can upload pictures, videos, and digital files to assist in the investigation. Similarly, the Pima County Sheriff's Department has set up a web page where individuals can provide their name, address, and email to receive a link for file uploads.

If you have a camera and reside in the area investigators are interested, they say they are eager to review your footage. This includes smaller streets within the area.


They are focusing on cars between 10 p.m. January 11 and 1 a.m. January 12, as well as 11 p.m. January 31 to 4 a.m. February 1.

The areas of interest extend from Ina Road to La Cholla, then down to River Road and over to Roller Coaster Road.

 
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So here's the thing: there are very few medications that you have to take everyday to save your life. In general, if you need to take medications everyday to save your life, you're probably hospitalized -- because you have a medical condition that requires constant or frequent monitoring. So what was Nancy taking? I suspect it was a blood thinner to prevent a stroke (because of an underlying arrhythmia, which is common with age), or a medication that controls your heart rate. Every dose does not automatically = life saving. You can miss doses -- many people do.

So the theory that she is not alive because she is frail or missing medications doesn't make sense. The blood splatter in her front entrance also doesn't make sense: if she suffered a blunt injury, why was there so much blood splatter, even if she was on a blood thinner? If you're walking at a constant or near-constant pace, or carried at a constant or near-constant pace, blood splatter doesn't look like that -- it drops in a linear pattern, even if you have a nose bleed.

My theory is that she fell sometime during this episode, maybe hit her head, and suffered a subdural hematoma while she was on a blood thinner. This is a very common condition in older people who fall, especially while on a blood thinner. Are there any chipped or cracked floor tiles in her home? Did she have a cane or walker that is lying on the floor where she might have fallen? She could have suffered a nosebleed in the same fall and head trauma. Then someone carried her out. They struggled, paused, and shifted her weight, which explains the blood splatter in the front entrance. Subdural hematomas can cause loss of consciousness, and the symptoms last for days or a week -- who knows what happened from there.
There is a drug- Coreg, a beta blocker used for heart failure and other severe heart issues. It cannot be stopped abruptly. I know- I worked for a personal injury attorney handling medical malpractice. Our client (decedent's son) came to our office and told us his mother was discharged home from a nursing home without the prescription for Coreg- she died and it was determined she died because Coreg was not continued as it should have been. She was off the drug for several days. We got a good settlement on this case. We do not know what cardiac issues Nancy has besides being on a pacemaker and no doubt requiring a blood thinner. I am sure there are other drugs that cannot be stopped abruptly.
 
  • #35,775
There is a drug- Coreg, a beta blocker used for heart failure and other severe heart issues. It cannot be stopped abruptly. I know- I worked for a personal injury attorney handling medical malpractice. Our client (decedent's son) came to our office and told us his mother was discharged home from a nursing home without the prescription for Coreg- she died and it was determined she died because Coreg was not continued as it should have been. She was off the drug for several days. We got a good settlement on this case. We do not know what cardiac issues Nancy has besides being on a pacemaker and no doubt requiring a blood thinner. I am sure there are other drugs that cannot be stopped abruptly.
This is correct, but also not correct. Coreg should not be stopped abruptly, and it should be tapered. But is it required as a life saving measure in the setting of someone who has an arrhythmia or heart failure, in the outpatient setting? In general, no.
 
  • #35,776
I want to say this guy lives outside that neighborhood but I can't help but think if that was the case he would have been seen on camera at some point. Going down the main roads or through an intersection nearby. I know there's a couple of banks heading south on N. Campbell Road. There has to be a camera pointing towards the road. Maybe he did it old school and wrote the directions down on a piece of paper and just took an advantageous backroad route.

This guy's like a ghost or a ninja or something.
Consider that:

1. The neighborhood is dark. There are no streetlights. I'm not sure if people have floodlights on motion sensors.
2. There are ~five roads leading into/out of the neighborhood (source: post 35291 on page 1765.)
3. The houses are set back from the road. Cameras mounted on houses may not even pick up the road.
4. Traffic cameras in the neighborhood do not record and retain video. (source: post 25,581 on page 1280.)

So unless the guy either lives or works in the neighborhood, he could easily drive in, abduct NG, and exit without leaving video evidence apart from the camera footage at NG's house.

MOO
 
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At this stage, the investigation has likely moved from fast, early-response options into slower, long-term strategies like digital analysis, forensic genealogy, and waiting for behavioral slips or credible tips.

That doesn’t mean the case is over; it means the quick opportunities have mostly passed, and what remains takes time. In cases involving a single, inexperienced offender like this appears to be, people rarely get away clean: they leave digital trails, tell someone, change their behavior, or make mistakes months or even years later.

Sometimes remains are found accidentally by hikers, construction crews, or utility workers. It may not happen quickly, and it may not happen the way anyone hopes, but cases with this level of evidence and attention rarely stay silent forever.

MOO
 
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Can someone explain to me how to make a post ? Without it being a reply?
 
  • #35,779
I may be going back to square one but I can't recall - does anyone know if it has been reported that anything of value was missing/stolen from her house that night?

JMO.
 
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