AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SaraSmile]

You would think so!

Less chance of finding her!

And this is going to sound horrific, so my apologies, but also wild animals will eat her remains, and likely scatter/spread the bones too.

Arizona is pure harsh desert/mountain wilderness. To dispose of her in the garbage is cheap and amateur.

But it has happened to other missing people on here, I'm thinking of Heidi Planck who went missing from an apartment block in Los Angeles in 2021. The Chiquita Canyon Landfill site was searched, although nothing was found sadly.

Totally agree, desert is much more likely. Since desert is huge and unforgiving, it will be very difficult to find her. If that’s where she is, sorry…

JMO

 

[Bluewing3102]

UPDATE - SNIFFER HELO COMPLETES SEARCH GRID OVER LANDFILL.

My speculation is they didn't get a hit on the pacemaker since they searched over the entire area without stopping and are now heading back to airport.

 

[warp3dwing]

RBBM
Yes I’ve seen clips of NG in the NYC NBC studio (in one of the NYC Today episodes NG surprised SG by showing up). I also saw a clip of SG, NG, and AG in Tucson sitting at a table in a restaurant. I believe that episode Today Show ran was about SG’s return to her home state, something to that effect. I believe links to these episodes have been posted here, they are easily findable online as well.

IMHO

It'd be pretty wild for it to be someone from NYC. I'd be curious to know whether they flew out a complete NYC crew to Tucson or whether they hired supplemental crew locally.

 

[Diddian]

I'm curious about that too. This helicopter is flying about 500' above the ground.

An amplifier is used to stretch the sniffer’s reach up to 800-1,000 ft.

‘Signal Sniffer’ Technology Used to Search for Nancy Guthrie: Reports

Authorities are attempting to use the device to detect the signal on Nancy's pacemaker over two weeks after she was reported missing

www.aol.com

 

[emigrate]

I know many here believe that this was a planned kidnapping, as does the sheriff apparently, but from a behavioral standpoint, this does not look like a carefully designed and executed kidnapping. The person on camera approached alone, carried a backpack like someone expecting a quick theft, and awkwardly tried to block the doorbell with weeds instead of disabling it properly. He could have just as easily spray painted the camera, as anything else.

That points to an opportunistic, low-level offender, not a coordinated abduction team. There was no ransom note at the scene, no organized extraction, and no visible counter-surveillance. Everything about the approach appears improvised rather than strategic, suggesting someone who expected a fast in-and-out situation.

A professional kidnapper would typically plan in advance, avoid obvious cameras, coordinate transportation, control the scene quickly, and minimize exposure time. They would operate with discipline and precision, not hesitation. It is very possible Nancy was targeted, but not for ransom.

A more plausible explanation is that the offender had some prior familiarity with her, felt comfortable approaching her home, and intended a burglary. When she confronted him, fear of being recognized may have triggered panic. Inexperienced offenders often make impulsive decisions in that moment, focused on immediate self-preservation rather than long-term planning.

That kind of chaotic escalation fits the known behavior far better than a calm, mastermind-style kidnapping.

Of course...MOO

So weird it just so happened to happen on the night she had the dinner at her daughter's. Like how did someone know she wouldn't have stayed the night or gone out of town for a little bday trip? I never believed the ransom or kidnapping and have always figured it was a hurry up "let's do some things to distract" and they only had a few short hours to throw some things together in a panic. If this is the case, wow, they did a really good job(as far as we know) of throwing everyone off. It was just way to close to this bday dinner. I can't shake the feeling that we are going to find out it is someone or a couple someone's known to Nancy. I think too much time has been wasted on this ransom and other distractions that were put in place to confuse the public and investigators. It is likely a case of a couple inexperienced people getting away with it so far but those kind always mess up in the end and will be found out. Guilt will get the best of them and they will royally mess up. I agree 100% with where you are coming from.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

No need, there’s a huge unforgiving desert right there. Avoid cameras at the dump.

JMO

Where are dumpsters and trash emptied? Is it there? I haven’t looked.

 

[warp3dwing]

Yep, I got the idea from the shoe sole pic in your video.

That said, it’s not too late for LE to collect the door mat. Yes it’s been trampled on, but who knows what else might be found. I don’t think it should be left there at the house. MOO.

I can't really understand the mat being left there, either. I want to believe that there's a good reason why it wasn't removed, but I struggle to come up with a good answer. Even if forensics checked it out in situ, from what I understand from other cases, a full analysis really needs to be done in the controlled lighting environment of a lab. They didn't switch the mat out, did they? Maybe I'll just believe that's what they did. lol

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Or, I was thinking a bike? I don't see parallel lines. I only see one line and in one spot I think I see tread. Wheelbarrow makes more sense but it seems too narrow?

Wheelbarrow is likely too narrow. I had thought about it being a bike but I was thinking about a road bike where the tires are thinner. It's possible it could be from a mountain bike but that seems improbable that somebody with a bike was biking on her gravel driveway. Curious what those lines are from. JMOO

 

[SaraSmile]

Possibly, but it isn't a precise action. Landfills are extremely difficult for search teams because of overwhelming background odors, constantly shifting trash layers, heavy machinery disturbance, heat and moisture that speed decomposition, and massive search areas, but if there is a good idea of where to search, it could be successful.

Yes, it’s been done before, and people are mainly not found, on occasion found.

Remember the tiny, 2 year old Georgia boy? Mother put in trash, ended up in dump, found!
She was arrested, charged. I’m forgetting his name RN.

JMO

 

[No it's not]

I thought in previous days, it was discussed on here that the signal detector had to be just a few feet off the ground, and that a helicopter would be too high?

Drop sonde perhaps?

-Nin

 

[warp3dwing]

UPDATE - SNIFFER HELO COMPLETES SEARCH GRID OVER LANDFILL.

My speculation is they didn't get a hit on the pacemaker since they searched over the entire area without stopping and are now heading back to airport.
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They might just collect data to be analyzed later on the ground?

 

[wibbleflea]

The open back door was from AB's source. Her source is also the source for the nest cameras allegedly being smashed and blood being found in the home not just outside of it.

I’m sure it was also in MSM, but the closest I can find now is this early ABC report that mentioned forced entry, a detail that the sheriff later refused to be drawn on.

Signs of forced entry at Arizona home of Today host's mother

Investigators reportedly found evidence of a deliberate night-time kidnapping at the property.

www.abc.net.au

It’s quite possible that the plan didn’t originally involve the front door at all. Something inside didn’t go to plan and they had to leave that way. Many WS members have suggested it. I think it’s a strong possibility.

 

[No it's not]

An amplifier is used to stretch the sniffer’s reach up to 800-1,000 ft.

‘Signal Sniffer’ Technology Used to Search for Nancy Guthrie: Reports

Authorities are attempting to use the device to detect the signal on Nancy's pacemaker over two weeks after she was reported missing

www.aol.com

Thank you!

-Nin

 

[warp3dwing]

An amplifier is used to stretch the sniffer’s reach up to 800-1,000 ft.

‘Signal Sniffer’ Technology Used to Search for Nancy Guthrie: Reports

Authorities are attempting to use the device to detect the signal on Nancy's pacemaker over two weeks after she was reported missing

www.aol.com

Oh wow! Thanks for that. Pretty incredible it works from that far away.

 

[Bluewing3102]

Sheriff firmly believe NG is still in the area. 20 days later no evidence of a body. And we've seen multiple Sniffer searches in various areas with no hits. Unfortunately, I think they got to start searching the desert or consider that she was driven out of town.

JMO

 

[Fargo]

Yep that's the only landfill we have here...wayyyyy far away from NG's home

It's likely that whatever they are looking for originated in a dumpster not at the landfill itself. IMO

 

[SaraSmile]

I know many here believe that this was a planned kidnapping, as does the sheriff apparently, but from a behavioral standpoint, this does not look like a carefully designed and executed kidnapping. The person on camera approached alone, carried a backpack like someone expecting a quick theft, and awkwardly tried to block the doorbell with weeds instead of disabling it properly. He could have just as easily spray painted the camera, as anything else.

That points to an opportunistic, low-level offender, not a coordinated abduction team. There was no ransom note at the scene, no organized extraction, and no visible counter-surveillance. Everything about the approach appears improvised rather than strategic, suggesting someone who expected a fast in-and-out situation.

A professional kidnapper would typically plan in advance, avoid obvious cameras, coordinate transportation, control the scene quickly, and minimize exposure time. They would operate with discipline and precision, not hesitation. It is very possible Nancy was targeted, but not for ransom.

A more plausible explanation is that the offender had some prior familiarity with her, felt comfortable approaching her home, and intended a burglary. When she confronted him, fear of being recognized may have triggered panic. Inexperienced offenders often make impulsive decisions in that moment, focused on immediate self-preservation rather than long-term planning.

That kind of chaotic escalation fits the known behavior far better than a calm, mastermind-style kidnapping.

Of course...MOO

Agree, low level offenders, not real organized, but got away so far.

JMO

So weird it just so happened to happen on the night she had the dinner at her daughter's. Like how did someone know she wouldn't have stayed the night or gone out of town for a little bday trip? I never believed the ransom or kidnapping and have always figured it was a hurry up "let's do some things to distract" and they only had a few short hours to throw some things together in a panic. If this is the case, wow, they did a really good job(as far as we know) of throwing everyone off. It was just way to close to this bday dinner. I can't shake the feeling that we are going to find out it is someone or a couple someone's known to Nancy. I think too much time has been wasted on this ransom and other distractions that were put in place to confuse the public and investigators. It is likely a case of a couple inexperienced people getting away with it so far but those kind always mess up in the end and will be found out. Guilt will get the best of them and they will royally mess up. I agree 100% with where you are coming from.

Agree with this! ^^^

Low level offenders, not caught yet!
Ransom people were/are all opportunists.

JMO

 

[fridaybaker]

I hope there's another explanation for that helicopter, because if not, it's a very bad sign

Dbm. Duplicate of recent post.

 

[FaviousM]

I'm not sure. Wouldn't that be part of a normal search?

If it was a couple of weeks ago, yeah. But the timing means it's either super late or there's been some intel point there IMO

 

[Napoli]

Wheelbarrow is likely too narrow. I had thought about it being a bike but I was thinking about a road bike where the tires are thinner. It's possible it could be from a mountain bike but that seems improbable that somebody with a bike was biking on her gravel driveway. Curious what those lines are from. JMOO

suitcase on wheels..smallish like stewardesses use. JMO