AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[factseeking]

Am I losing my mind? Didn't they announce the DNA was mixed yesterday or the day before? I'm sure I remember CeCe talking on NBC about mixed DNA being common where there had been a violent incident. The way Brian is reporting it sounds like it's a "new" snag. Thank you for posting the video!

 

[Jber]

This DNA is of material from the house. It’s mixed. There was a negative CODIS result from a glove. In some places, it was reported that the glove DNA didn’t match that of the DNA found at the house, and that there was no CODIS match against some DNA at the house. I suspect there are multiple DNA samples from the house, and at least one is mixed.

Again, thanks very much for clarifying.

A DNA mixture is going to be tricky for FIGG. There are a couple methods out there, but FIGG is still new enough that there aren’t routine ways of dealing with mixtures yet. Whether or not FIGG can be done on the sample will really depend on the contributor ratio, the number of contributors (2? 3?), the quantity of DNA available, whether there is only one component of the mixture that is of interest or more than one, whether there is a reference profile available for any of the contributors, etc. The specifics of the sample will matter here.

All IMO, of course.

 

[SMK777]

Am I losing my mind? Didn't they announce the DNA was mixed yesterday or the day before? I'm sure I remember CeCe talking on NBC about mixed DNA being common where there had been a violent incident. The way Brian is reporting it sounds like it's a "new" snag. Thank you for posting the video!

Yes, it's strange.

 

[nycpizzaparty]

OMG what would they have to hide with a blanket/tarp ? I thought they only did that with a body?

It's all shadows. Can't tell.

 

[SaraSmile]

This isn't the initial media article I saw but it effectively states the same thing.

PCSD managing quality of tips in Nancy Guthrie investigation

The Pima County Sheriff’s Department's 911 communications center says not all of those calls have been helpful.

www.kold.com

Snip
“People saying the suspect is right handed or left handed or whether it’s a man or a woman. There are plenty of people calling in about the same thoughts or theories, so those are typically the types of things we just we don’t want to hear about,” said Cecilia Ochoa, PCSD’s 911 dispatch manager.

Interesting. I know they group together similar leads, all suggesting similar, same thing.

I am wondering why they don’t want theories? I suppose investigators think they already thought of “ most” of the theories. If I was LE, I would want as many ideas as possible.
Maybe LE thinks extra theories become too cumbersome. It’s mainly variations on the same theories.
I know I would still want to read, make sure nothing unique, original that stands out, needing more inquiry.

JMO

 

[emigrate]

It's all shadows. Can't tell.

Are they hiding something being removed or blocking the identity of the person driving, first time I am seeing these, thanks for posting I have been so far behind. They wouldn't be protecting the identity of the driver with a tarp right? It would have to be something taken from vehicle? I can't think what they would have to hide other than something sensitive for viewing like someting with blood? I am just used to car accident scenes where they blanket and tarp all body parts and blood so public doesn't have to see it. But if they let person go it couldn't have been blood this is maddening. Something needing to be hidden but released the person driving said vehicle, more things that make no sense I guess.

 

[factseeking]

Goodnight all!

I have hope again given the former FBI agents comments in the Newsweek article posted by payrollnerd above.

I'm going to go, holding on to that hope at least for another night!

 

[windrower]

When you search for NG's address on Google Maps and look at satellite view it labels her neighbor's house (the gemologist) with her address rather than hers. I think we are allowed to post her address here-- 5820 N Camino Escalante, in case anyone wants to see for themselves.

Did the perpetrator(s) also get the address wrong?

My Google Maps is correctly labeling the houses.

And I don’t know why, but every now and again, a house number doesn’t show on top of a home or two in the aerial view.

But if you tap the house so that it is pinned, the address shows in the left-hand pane of the Google Maps window.

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Is this what you mean? You key in 5820N but the Google view shows 5822N ? I wonder if it's numbered as a double lot though? What address is the neighbor's home supposed to be?

There is no 5822. On that side of the street, in that block, it’s just 5800 (the neighbor’s house) and 5820 (NG’s house).

 

[LRinCA]

I just read this article about the subject of the search parties and it makes sense to me:

Why Civilian Activity Could Compromise the Case​

Excerpt:

The dual developments — tightened perimeter control and a public call for volunteers to step back — signal that the investigation has entered a critical phase.

With the FBI actively working to extract additional images of a masked suspect from the backend of Guthrie's security system, according to NBC News, even well-intentioned civilian activity near the scene could compromise evidence or hinder operations.

Link to full article:

Nancy Guthrie update: Sheriff shares new guidance for volunteer searchers

Pima County Sheriff asks volunteer searchers to stand down as FBI analyzes evidence in Nancy Guthrie disappearance.

www.newsweek.com

This part which follows is all IMO/MOO -

I just did a quick search re: BLM land around Tucson and found this:

The BLM Tucson Field Office manages more than 600,000 acres of desert, mountains, and grasslands within five southeastern Arizona counties and shares the international border with Mexico.

Tucson Field Office | Bureau of Land Management

The BLM Tucson Field Office manages more than 600,000 acres of desert, mountains, and grasslands within five southeastern Arizona counties and shares the international border with Mexico.

www.blm.gov

The sheriff can't stop people from organizing search parties in the vast areas around Tucson, namely BLM lands. Why don't the search parties start there?

If you do a google map search of NG's house and zoom in you'll see that every property is privately owned. At a certain zoom level you can clearly see property lines. I don't see why search parties would want to focus on this area when there are so many desert areas that could be searched and probably aren't being searched by LE/FBI.

Arizona is a gun state, meaning, many homeowners own guns. This is a sensitive time in the neighborhood and these are private properties. I'm guessing LE/FBI doesn't want yet another tragedy on their hands (a homeowner shooting a trespasser). The idea that the kidnappers left her in someone else's yard or on their property seems far-fetched to me, but even if they did - it seems LE is covering those areas.

I hope the frustrated search party participants will consider branching out to BLM lands which are more deserted and perhaps more likely to be a place where the kidnappers might hide a body. As an aside, I live in a community that backs up to BLM land and we are 13 miles outside a populated area. There are many square miles of wilderness between where we live and the closest town and I've always thought it would be easy to abandon a person (alive or dead) in those areas. It's mainly just saguaro cacti, mountains and scrub brush.

Again, ALL IMO/MOO

Editing to add:

This is what I mentioned regarding property lines on Google maps. The houses do look spaced out and as if there would be "empty" land in between, but when you zoom in, every space involves a property line.

 

[wibbleflea]

[…] one was the RR and the other was driven by the first person they detained whose initials escape me atm). I haven't heard anything more about grey vehicles tho.

The other was CP, driving a Nissan Rogue. (Link – not sure if Good Morning America is allowed.)

There’s a longish (12-minute) post-release interview with Ford Hatchett, in which CP is accompanied by his lawyer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024280647976501404

 

[Diddian]

OMG what would they have to hide with a blanket/tarp ? I thought they only did that with a body?

It could be that they were doing testing for blood - is it there or not?… and didn’t want people watching if it happened to light up in such a way that it indicated there was. The tarp does not necessarily mean anything was actually there to be seen.

 

[LRinCA]

It's all shadows. Can't tell.

At the time this was happening I was watching it live. I got the impression they did that in case they extricated something that they wouldn't want the public seeing. As a precaution. Even that night I didn't think there was a body in the car, mainly based on the actions of how LE was acting on the scene.

IMO/JMO


ETA: The only body I thought MIGHT be in the car was when it was rumored that someone had shot himself/herself during the raid/traffic stop. By morning, that was said to be a false report. ETA 2- I really did think the person might have shot himself/herself in the car, but since no ambulances ever appeared, it didn't seem likely.

imo/jmo

 

[Shanz]

Thanks. I hope they take him up on his offer.

Heck. How about some cadaver dogs…just to see if she was killed in the house

 

[Oldguy]

Hello folks...new here. I used to post on the EARONS forum. Got away from this fascinating stuff for a while but...can't stay away.
Regarding Nancy Guthrie...

My instinctive thoughts are:
1. Not a bungled burglary.
2. Not a ransom situation
3. Not a revenge on the family or the celebrity daughter.

This is, I believe, was a case of an offender with severe psychosexual issues, whose preferred victim(s) is an elderly woman. Nancy led a pretty open life. She was easy to find and surveil. She was incredibly vulnerable.

So on a night of a full moon, he struck. More accurately, he and his submissive sidekick (and likely) sometime sexual partner struck. (Partner probably a very dependent submissive male.)

The time within the house was the dominant partner doing his thing. Once completed...they could not leave a human with his DNA. So they exited with her. And no, Nancy is not with us.

Such offenders are not unknown...there was a guy in Philly a few years ago who selected elderly females.

I'm sorry to write these things-but they make sense to me and explain a lot of why nothing has turned up.

I hope I'm wrong. But I "knew" long before EAR was arrested that he was a cop, and then, a former cop. Based to a great extent on his ammunition selection.

I "knew" in 2004 that BTK was a local code enforcement officer. It just made sense to me.

Has this subject done this or something similar before? Almost certainly. What we know of the crime shows too much complexity and preparation for a first timer.

Will he (they) be caught? Probably. Eventually.

I would suggest that the bodies of any young men in Arizona who suffered a violent death in the near future be examined as a possible reference point to this crime. Tracing their network of acquaintances may lead to the dominant. Why do I say this? Partners, even dependent/submissive ones get antsy. And the dominant one would take care of business.

I hope I am wrong.

God bless her family and all who loved her...

 

[windrower]

Has anyone else wondered about the gem neighbor, who is a mining engineer, as NG’s husband was. Both worked quite a bit in Mexico, which is where NG’s husband died at a fairly young age from a heart attack.

Just a weird coincidence in a very puzzling case.

IMO

Which is one reason I’ve been curious which neighbor called APS, when, and why, since there aren’t many lines of sight between houses.

What prompted the call to APS on the day she went missing?

(My apologies if answers to my questions have been clearly stated somewhere and I missed them.)

 

[nycpizzaparty]

Are they hiding something being removed or blocking the identity of the person driving, first time I am seeing these, thanks for posting I have been so far behind. They wouldn't be protecting the identity of the driver with a tarp right? It would have to be something taken from vehicle? I can't think what they would have to hide other than something sensitive for viewing like someting with blood? I am just used to car accident scenes where they blanket and tarp all body parts and blood so public doesn't have to see it. But if they let person go it couldn't have been blood this is maddening. Something needing to be hidden but released the person driving said vehicle, more things that make no sense I guess.

I think they are blocking the public from viewing them inspect the vehicle and from seeing inside the vehicle as well. I think they may have been also blocking any view of removal and transfer of item(s) from the car to a LE vehicle.

 

[Shanz]

That is what I wondered many many pages ago... I asked if the gem neighbour was away that night. And they got the wrong house? Weren't expecting anyone to be at home.

Ok so I’m a burglar going to steal gems. Instead I find an old lady in her bed. So I kidnap her. Doesn’t make much sense. Even if he accidentally kills her there is no reason to cart her body out

 

[Forest_Wood]

The other was CP, driving a Nissan Rogue. (Link – not sure if Good Morning America is allowed.)

There’s a longish (12-minute) post-release interview with Ford Hatchett, in which CP is accompanied by his lawyer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024280647976501404

I feel sorry for this man. He seems honest and innocent. I wonder how LE got tipped off about him.
MOO

 

[nycpizzaparty]

At the time this was happening I was watching it live. I got the impression they did that in case they extricated something that they wouldn't want the public seeing. As a precaution. Even that night I didn't think there was a body in the car, mainly based on the actions of how LE was acting on the scene.

IMO/JMO


ETA: The only body I thought there MIGHT be in the car was when it was rumored that someone had shot himself/herself during the raid/traffic stop. By morning, that was said to be a false report.

imo/jmo

Agreed, not a body. It could have been nothing or anything that was in the car, or removable materials from the car like the carpet on the trunk floor.

 

[emigrate]

It could be that they were doing testing for blood - is it there or not?… and didn’t want people watching if it happened to light up in such a way that it indicated there was. The tarp does not necessarily mean anything was actually there to be seen.

thank you for that