AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Katrinepa]

I find the handling of this case to be so weird. Everything seems to have been way too lax at the beginning, which is odd given the high profile of the victim and her family. You'd think LE would have been extra cautious and extremely thorough knowing that their every move was being watched and scrutinized. And given that SG would undoubtedly do or pay anything to help with the case, it seems strange that everything seems to be rather slow and disorganized and not especially successful thus far. With SG's resources, you would think they could expedite any lab or technology requests (within the limits of testing times) and hire a multitude of specialists if needed. Sometimes financial constraints and backlogs slow down investigations, but this case seems like it would be given top priority due to the publicity and obvious access to money if needed. I guess I'm pretty unimpressed and that bothers me. It doesn't bode well for an "average Joe" in the same predicament. No point to my post, other than I guess I am finding myself more and more discouraged with every passing day. I hope for a break soon.

LE labs have many cases to deal with, and just because someone might have money should not what any agency is investigating/testing. Remember that the 400+ FBI working on this case already had cases they were working on, so were taken from those cases to work on this one, perhaps because of the immediate need to find a victim. I am hearing that the evidence available to collect is coming to a point where the massive FBI presence will lessen.
I hate to say this, but in my own experience, the value of a victim is looked at in more than one lens. Some courts look at how much 'useful' life would a victim have going forward, when deciding how much to send the guilty to prison for. No knowledge about LE overall though, as value is subjective, and hopefully, any victim has forever value to their loved ones, and perhaps the community overall as well. My own view/experience only.

 

[Serononin]

Hello. I am brand new, but I have been reading for a while.

Just an IMO here... Would it be better to encourage the public to get their DNA tested, rather than forming search parties? Wouldn't that help with the IGG?

There are probably at least a few people in the area who've already done tests and would be happy to upload their data to GEDMatch if they're made aware of what that is and how to do it

 

[PayrollNerd]

I keep thinking about the photo someone posted of the perps glove that possibly depicted a ring. I think it was the persons right hand but I could be mistaken.

Anyway, married people wear wedding ring on the left hand. So what type of ring would a man wear on his right hand? A collegiate ring? Some type of ring to symbolize a relationship? A promise ring? An antique family ring?

Just random thinking here.

 

[Katrinepa]

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[SaraSmile]

Earlier in the thread, there were links to images of how these masks show up under balaclavas on IR cameras, and from that info, it seemed clear this was not actually the case.

I agree with Slim. I think there is a mask under the baclava mask.

JMO

 

[SlimPickens]

What's the source of these images?

The FBI video released by the Director. I captured stills, zoomed, and cropped, but no other enhancements or adjustments.

JMO.

 

[submarine7]

I agree with Slim. I think there is a mask under the baclava mask.

JMO

So do I.

 

[joe jones]

Cece Moore gave an interview and she said the lab the Sheriff uses is a fantastic lab, one which her lab uses to make SNIP profiles, as her lab cant do that, she said if anybody could sort out the mixture (not verbatim) then they would be the ones to do so, so kudos to the Sheriff for using a very good lab with his evidence

 

[PayrollNerd]

Hello. I am brand new, but I have been reading for a while.

Just an IMO here... Would it be better to encourage the public to get their DNA tested, rather than forming search parties? Wouldn't that help with the IGG?

It’s a lengthy process to do a commercial DNA test. My 23andMe took 3 weeks to return. My Ancestry test took 5 weeks to return. Around the holidays, it takes longer.

Neither of those databases are available to LE. Once you do receive your results, you can download the raw data file and then upload it to other databases that accept uploads.

I uploaded my file to DNASolves, MyHeritage, FTDNA, GED Match. All optioned in for LE access as needed. Now, my Czech side (4th gen) is more underrepresented than my English side (Early American Settlers).

Thus, if you’ve already received your results, you can immediately download the raw file and upload it to GED Match and FTDNA opting in for LE access. That is as helpful as we can be as quickly as they need.

 

[Jade]

I keep thinking about the photo someone posted of the perps glove that possibly depicted a ring. I think it was the persons right hand but I could be mistaken.

Anyway, married people wear wedding ring on the left hand. So what type of ring would a man wear on his right hand? A collegiate ring? Some type of ring to symbolize a relationship? A promise ring? An antique family ring?

Just random thinking here.

A signet pinky ring?

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[SaraSmile]

Cece Moore gave an interview and she said the lab the Sheriff uses is a fantastic lab, one which her lab uses to make SNIP profiles, as her lab cant do that, she said if anybody could sort out the mixture (not verbatim) then they would be the ones to do so, so kudos to the Sheriff for using a very good lab with his evidence

Yes, that’s so hopeful that the DNA sample is in the best hands RN. I hope LE keeps us up to date on the progress.

JMO

 

[10ofRods]

What's the source of these images?

The door camera from Nancy Guthrie's porch, and now they are in about 100 different places. All the Tucson papers have put them up, as has TMZ and many others (including local radio, and bigger papers in the Southwest, such as the LA Times).

They have been posted here on this thread many times.

 

[FaviousM]

The door camera from Nancy Guthrie's porch, and now they are in about 100 different places. All the Tucson papers have put them up, as has TMZ and many others (including local radio, and bigger papers in the Southwest, such as the LA Times).

They have been posted here on this thread many times.

I was referring to the specific versions that user posted. Obviously I know the original source but those images in particular didn't quite match what I was seeing watching the video back and I was wondering if some sort of enhancement had been done

 

[VegasGirl35]

I’m sorry this is SO ridiculous. I’m sure these women have no proof of anything and are literally just digging around on private property for no reason. This makes me so mad, stuff like this is exactly why LE doesn’t want people randomly searching. MOO

It's beyond ridiculous. I live in the desert. You cannot dig without creating a huge racket. A metal shovel will be pinging off rocks and waking up every neighbor in the immediate area. Even the dumbest criminal on the planet wouldn't do something so foolish. Sheriff Nanos was getting bashed on social media for discouraging volunteer search parties but this is exactly why.

 

[Ellis' Mom]

I find this suggestion to be forward thinking. People just want to help. Not just locally, but from far and wide. Submitting samples to add to the growing DNA database for any current or future case or cold case would have far reaching benefits.
This reminds me of the pleas from, say, Am Red Cross in times of crisis for blood donations - both locally and nationally. It allows citizens to contribute indirectly but very effectively.
Great idea, @Bruxer !

Edit to add: I am referring to labs such as Othram that will accept donated specimens for database.

Your suggestion is altruistic, but I would never give away the rights to my DNA to anyone.
IMHO, you can read through the woes of 23andMe on Wikipedia to see what can happen when giving away your rights to your DNA: "...a valuable data mine for third parties such as health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, advertising companies, biotechnology companies, law enforcement, or other interested parties. People may not actually be aware of how the company uses the data, and there are always risks of data breaches. Personal information of customers of 23andMe “may be accessed, sold or transferred”.

23andMe faces an uncertain future — so does your genetic data | TechCrunch

As 23andMe's bankruptcy looms, privacy experts warn customers to delete their DNA data.

techcrunch.com

 

[Love Never Fails]

I thought maybe a worker too, at first. But then after seeing what a pinky ring on his finger under the glove and manicured eyebrows/mustache might be, I am thinking someone who has some money, a lot of education on using computers and as someone has stated already, may live in the neighborhood and saw an opportunity.

I looked at the video and the finger. I’m not sure there was a pinky ring. But that’s just me. I am not at all sure the eyebrows were manicured. Some people just have beautiful brows. And some men and women have beautiful curly lashes. I do agree it could be a neighbor but it would be tough to hide Nancy. Those homes are expensive in that area. So the only reason would be ransom and that is sort of ruled out. I still believe it was a grudge of some kind.

 

[QueenBofOB]

Hello. I am brand new, but I have been reading for a while.

Just an IMO here... Would it be better to encourage the public to get their DNA tested, rather than forming search parties? Wouldn't that help with the IGG?

I personally think going door to door, in her neighborhood, with flyers and just surreptitiously getting a look at whomever answers would *maybe* get an idea of what people who live around her look like. I really think it is someone who lives close by and knows how to drive around those roads.

 

[Van Helsing]

The one conspiracy theory/big plan thing my brain latches onto is that Savannah was the first national tv reporter to interview and validate Epstein’s victims/survivors (2019, I believe five of them) and Nancy was taken one day after the last huge drop of those files. I do not think something related to that is the most likely cause here–just as an Occam’s Razor sort of thing. But some part of me thinks someone involved in that could want to make Savannah Guthrie suffer as they perceive she and others have made them suffer. Because the men who put themselves into those situations are nothing if not extraordinarily entitled.

JMO, etc.

Now that they seem to be thinking it was a targeted abduction, with multiple people involved, and that she could have been taken outside the US, I think these scenarios or more plausible.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Your suggestion is altruistic, but I would never give away the rights to my DNA to anyone.
IMHO, you can read through the woes of 23andMe on Wikipedia to see what can happen when giving away your rights to your DNA: "...a valuable data mine for third parties such as health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, advertising companies, biotechnology companies, law enforcement, or other interested parties. People may not actually be aware of how the company uses the data, and there are always risks of data breaches. Personal information of customers of 23andMe “may be accessed, sold or transferred”.

23andMe faces an uncertain future — so does your genetic data | TechCrunch

As 23andMe's bankruptcy looms, privacy experts warn customers to delete their DNA data.

techcrunch.com

There has actually been some data recently that 23 and Me has made some gross errors, brought people together who aren’t really related and parents and children who were never related. I sincerely believe in DNA if an FBI lab is used.

 

[Katrinepa]

There are probably at least a few people in the area who've already done tests and would be happy to upload their data to GEDMatch if they're made aware of what that is and how to do it

No guilty person, or their relatives would agree to that, and a costly endeavor, but nice thought. MOO