AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Scooby-Doo]

 

[submarine7]

So, MD is the mum and LD son with the RR at Culvers.

When BE reported that 2 people (mother and son) came out of the house, I kinda assumed MD was with her other son but neighbour did an interview and said she told him it was just her at the house, so... we don't know who the other male is

I remember BE said he SAW the mom and a male being escorted outside. He described them as maybe mom and son. I'm really not sure where that other talk came from about additional family? I do believe there was a man at the house but who it was? Regardless, I don't think they were the target.

 

[submarine7]

Maybe LE wanted the community to check their footage for specifics dates, times, and areas because a certain phone number was pinging that was also found to be pinging at or near Nancy's home the night she was taken.

Good idea!

 

[shonyakay]

The other thing I've been able to find out about the doorbell camera is that the infrared night vision sees up to 10 feet (3.05m).

Night Vision​

See up to 3.05 metres 4 850 nm infrared LEDs with IR cut filter

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https://store.google.com/product/nest_doorbell_battery_specs?hl=en-GB

I've watched a review of the camera's features on YT

. Go to 4.59 in the video to watch a test of that feature. He says he triggered the recording at about 12 feet.

Someone or a vehicle in Nancy's driveway wouldn't trigger a night vision recording, IMO. I'd approximate 10-12 feet to be roughly where the intruder enters from the middle of the pathway, IMO.

Something I had misunderstood from watching the recording of Nancy's intruder is that the porch wouldn't appear to him to be lit up. He would only see the white ring faintly glowing around the bell presser. That explains why he used his mouth torch to illuminate the ground when he was searching around the porch for something to cover the doorbell camera.

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Nest camera and doorbell lights and sounds - Google Nest Help

Your Google Nest camera or doorbell lights let you know what’s happening or if there’s a problem. Each pattern and color combination, like solid green or pulsing blue, has its own meaning. Your camera

support.google.com

Light ring pulses white	Doorbell sensed motion The light ring will pulse white when your doorbell detects motion, like a visitor coming into view of the camera.
Light ring spins	Waiting for a response The light ring on the doorbell will spin after a visitor presses the doorbell button and is waiting for a response.

Lots of good information - thanks. I also read that when the camera is processing recording video it typically displays a solid green status light. If someone is actively viewing the live video feed through the app the green light will pulse.

I also read that when it is disconnected from a power source it will still stay connected to WiFi provided it's internal battery is charged. It will maintain it's Internet connection to stream and record until the battery is depleted.

While the camera stays connected to WiFi it will only record event-based video when running on battery.

If the Wifi router loses power but the camera still has battery the camera will appear "offline" in the app but can locally store up to one hour of recorded events to its internal memory. It will then upload these clips to the cloud once the WiFi connection is restored. From my understanding the physical camera is not needed to achieve this as this can be utilized through the app.

What do you make of the doorbell camera disconnecting at 1:47 a.m.
Do you have a theory on how that was achieved?

Edited: The disconnection via the doorbell camera was not listed as the "app" disconnecting that was only mentioned for her pacemaker having disconnected from the "app" at 2:28 a.m.

 

[shonyakay]

Still holding out hope for an alive Nancy to be reunited with her family, despite the odds.

Regarding the border patrol dogs....

Key details regarding CBP's, and the Border Patrol's, use of these dogs include:
Mission Purpose: HRD dogs help locate victims of exposure, dehydration, or exhaustion in treacherous border terrain, such as deserts and mountains.
Distinct Skill: These dogs are trained to distinguish between human remains and animal remains or other scents.
Training Disciplines: Besides cadaver detection, CBP dogs are trained in other areas like concealed human detection, narcotics, currency, and firearms.
Secondary Training: While some dogs specialize, many are dual-trained or have secondary capabilities in tracking, trailing, or search and rescue.

These specialized units are part of the broader CBP Canine Program, which operates with both Office of Field Operations and U.S. Border Patrol personnel.

Per - U.S. Customs and Border Protection (.gov)


The fact that they had the border patrol canines out searching Sunday during the day through Sunday night and didn't detect anything is cause for Hope.

 

[Love Never Fails]

He is the person that was detained with the Range Rover at Culvers on Feb 14th. Who are Kayla Noel Day and Luke Anthony Daley? Arrests announced in Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case as family ruled out

Thank you!

 

[Smizzard]

Too much emphasis on “proof of life “ imo. Perhaps it’s even an ok fashioned concept since there are so few kidnappings for ransom in the last few decades. The perp wanted a trophy, imo. Dead or alive. Moo

Still catching up from yesterday, but I wonder if maybe there was proof of life in the first ransom note? We’ve all assumed not, since the family asked for it, but they didn’t say they didn’t have proof, they said (paraphrasing) they needed undeniable proof in a time when images are easily altered. Not that they might not want their trophy, but I do wonder.

 

[FaviousM]

I imagine I'm not the only one that finds it hard to believe that they don't know when that backpackless image was taken, right?

 

[Sessiebo]

Great overall post. I disagree on this particular part of it just because I feel confident that something within this realm would've been required, at a minimum, for a federal judge to sign off on that search warrant. Possessing any or all of these things in and of themselves would not result in an arrest anyway.

What they would need for an arrest is physical evidence showing that the suspect was in the home at the time of the abduction, or physical evidence that the victim was with him after the abduction. That would be DNA, fingerprints, or a clear video/image of him in the home or entering the home around that time and then leaving the home with the victim, or video or other evidence of him with the victim after the crime. Both DNA and fingerprints, while compelling, would need quite a bit of supporting evidence (i.e. the evidence they used for the search warrant). With electronic evidence only, they could just show that he was in the vicinity around that time.

This then (partially) challenges another thing you outlined, because even if they could demonstrate within a reasonable doubt that his IP address was used to create the ransom email and to open/monitor the Bitcoin account, it wouldn't be enough to make an arrest. Enough for a search warrant, yes, but not an arrest. They would need physical proof that he was using the IP at that time and for that purpose, or at a minimum be able to exclude everyone else with access to that IP.

To me (at least how I'm thinking today ), with no new noise, no new movement, and all press conferences cancelled after that last raid, it suggests LE is confident they found their perp(s) and are waiting for the final confirming pieces of evidence to fall into place. Remember - LE could absolutely know who did this without being able to prove who did this. The last part requires some meticulous evidence synthesis and analysis, and no room left for doubt.

As we know all too well at times, no jury will convict (anymore) based solely on a chest badge and raised right hand. They have to spoon feed convictions nowadays. A tall order, but that's what they signed up for.

JMO.

You make very good points
I hope you are right about them finding their perp(s).
I'm just sad about the long wait to get the evidence they need because Nancy is still out there, dead or alive, who knows. Her family doesn't deserve the waiting while not knowing, the uncertainty, it must be awful.

 

[shonyakay]

I imagine I'm not the only one that finds it hard to believe that they don't know when that backpackless image was taken, right?

I don't believe Nanos stated that they didn't know just that a date and time wasn't given for the images.

Kash Patel did state that the videos he shared were from the night Nancy was taken. The image without the backpack was shared along with those video clips.

 

[Sessiebo]

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I would like to hear this straight from the FBI itself instead of the Sheriff tho.

 

[aafromaa]

I posted about this last week, questioning if the No-Backpack image was from a different night.
There are various clues in videos and images released.

Nancy is thought to have been taken in the early hours of February 1st, which was a clear night with a very bright full moon. For reference Moonrise was around 4:54 p.m. local time, and moonset was about 6:44 a.m.

In the No-Backpack image:

• The image is cropped and very low resolution (possibly a thumbnail image which may not have metadata showing the time/date that the original image was captured)
• No shadow from moonlight
• Sky looks completely black (if it was a random cloud covering the moon, surely we'd be seeing the clouds illuminated by the bright moonlight)

I grabbed a frame from one of the videos to compare (on the right) note that I cropped and resized it to match the no backpack image shown on the left:

Thanks for posting this. I had not noticed the shadow before as I had only been looking at the still pics where backpack guy was on the porch so no shadow and though I’d seen a comment or two about the shadow I didn’t realize what they meant. But that might be the most compelling reason to believe these were different nights. I’m not 100% convinced yet but I haven’t seen any other explanation for the shadow/no shadow pic on the walkway either.

 

[joe jones]

I imagine I'm not the only one that finds it hard to believe that they don't know when that backpackless image was taken, right?

I think they do but for investigative reasons they wont release it, if masked man went to NG on two separate days (and this hasn't fully been clarified) LE may have kept quiet about this to let the perpetrator think they had not worked out he went two times, this lets the perp think LE only think I went once, so any missteps I may have made on first visit will not be uncovered as they are only investigating the actual day of the crime,

I am feeling a tad more positive today that LE are hopefully getting closer to finding out who may have done this, just a tad though

 

[Chypre]

What if the perp(s) knew he would be recorded on both occasions and thought the video footage could be used as an alibi....

Alibi for another crime?

 

[Lukey2121]

DBM

 

[flakesofsnow]

Am I correct that KD is the only one still detained? Am I also correct that she has ties back to NG and also to Mexico? There is a lot going on in Mexico now. Perhaps that will help the case.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I don't understand the back and forth about when the images were taken.

So at this point, I'm now confused because within a 12 hour period the public was told that the images were from 2 separate dates and then backtracked?

Is that what happened now?

I don't understand the need to withhold that information. Actually I think it might hinder the investigation because many security cameras record over the existing footage after 30 days or so. I know ours does. So, here we are 2/24 and the public doesn't know if they need to check back to let's say 1/8 or 1/4, something that could have been easily done days ago without loosing that footage. However, now most likely its been rewritten over.

What would be the purpose of holding that information back from the public? I just don't understand. Seems to me come out and say...hey we've captured video that this guy has been at NG's house on X day and then on the night she disappeared. I don't understand how saying that would compromise their investigation.

The public messaging from the SO's office is like a ping pong ball. Back and forth back and forth. Just provide the public clear concise information or don't say anything at all.

 

[Pharmasgirl]

Great overall post. I disagree on this particular part of it just because I feel confident that something within this realm would've been required, at a minimum, for a federal judge to sign off on that search warrant. Possessing any or all of these things in and of themselves would not result in an arrest anyway.

What they would need for an arrest is physical evidence showing that the suspect was in the home at the time of the abduction, or physical evidence that the victim was with him after the abduction. That would be DNA, fingerprints, or a clear video/image of him in the home or entering the home around that time and then leaving the home with the victim, or video or other evidence of him with the victim after the crime. Both DNA and fingerprints, while compelling, would need quite a bit of supporting evidence (i.e. the evidence they used for the search warrant). With electronic evidence only, they could just show that he was in the vicinity around that time.

This then (partially) challenges another thing you outlined, because even if they could demonstrate within a reasonable doubt that his IP address was used to create the ransom email and to open/monitor the Bitcoin account, it wouldn't be enough to make an arrest. Enough for a search warrant, yes, but not an arrest. They would need physical proof that he was using the IP at that time and for that purpose, or at a minimum be able to exclude everyone else with access to that IP.

To me (at least how I'm thinking today ), with no new noise, no new movement, and all press conferences cancelled after that last raid, it suggests LE is confident they found their perp(s) and are waiting for the final confirming pieces of evidence to fall into place. Remember - LE could absolutely know who did this without being able to prove who did this. The last part requires some meticulous evidence synthesis and analysis, and no room left for doubt.

As we know all too well at times, no jury will convict (anymore) based solely on a chest badge and raised right hand. They have to spoon feed convictions nowadays. A tall order, but that's what they signed up for.

JMO.

I like your way of thinking; this lull could be the calm before the storm

 

[dalsglen]

I can't believe how many people have taken what ABC have said as gospel. From their article, these are the most interesting parts to me.

Masked suspect in Nancy Guthrie abduction appeared to visit her house before kidnapping: Sources

The masked man who is suspected of the abduction of Nancy Guthrie appeared at her front door earlier than Feb. 1, sources told ABC News.

abcnews.com

"appears to have been at her front door earlier than Feb. 1, the night police believe she was kidnapped, sources familiar with the investigation told ABC News."

"One theory, according to the sources, is that the suspect approached the door the first time, noticed the camera and was scared off, only to return later"

"Jason Pack, a former FBI agent, told ABC News that if it is the same person, "it could indicate that the person was there surveilling the place before the abduction happened."

Wonder if Mr Pack himself is this source for all this. Appears to, one theory, could indicate. All a nothing burger IMO.

 

[IceIce9]

I got the impression NG wasn’t really paying attention to the door cams. She had let the subscription lapse ( which would have saved videos), and likely wasn’t even looking at alerts, live shots. I don’t think we heard how long her subscription had lapsed. Maybe she put in cameras with the first “ free” month( of revording), then never paid subscription after that, was not aware cameras were not working as they could. For instance, the ability to immediately and easily pull up videos.

JMO

Some people never subscribe or plan to subscribe. They only want the ability to see who is at the door when the doorbell rings.