AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[submarine7]

Brian Entin should PERCENT stand by his reporting.

He has journalistic integrity and ethics and refuses to be made to look like a gossip because Sheriff Nanos wants to keep people guessing and in suspense. JMO

He feels both professionally and emotionally invested.

 

[Napoli]

I had the exact same thought about a pre-abduction camera test. Does she wake up upon detection? Does she check her alerts every morning?

But I wonder how the suspect would be so sure that Nancy wasn’t discussing with others a masked man she saw on her Nest cam. Was she active in community discussion groups like Nextdoor?

Or maybe it just didn’t matter. Confidence that the doorbell doesn’t wake Nancy up was good enough for their purposes: a fairly rapid extraction.

BBM There's the hole right there. A test is also a warning. He has no idea if he was seen. SOOOOOO, a dry run makes less sense to me. JMO

 

[Data Sleuth]

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The gun the perp had was likely to fall out if they bent over, right? Do people usually hang those holsters on the front of their bodies? It’s so bizarre.

It does seem unusual since most of us are used to seeing Law Enforcement and Law Abiding Citizens carry their firearms on their hips etc.
However a quick google search resulted in this info on the 12 o’clock or appendix method of carrying a firearm:

“A pistol holster worn directly under the belly button, known as the 12 o'clock or appendix position, is a popular concealed carry method for quick access, comfort while sitting, and superior concealment, particularly with smaller firearms. This position is often used with a belly band for versatility when not wearing a traditional belt.
Buckeye Firearms Association +4

• Quick Draw Access: The 12 o'clock position (centerline) allows for a fast, direct, and natural draw stroke, often making it faster than hip carry.
• Comfort While Seated: For people who spend long periods driving or sitting, keeping the gun at the front prevents it from digging into the side or hip.
• Optimal Concealment: This position keeps the firearm flush against the body, minimizing printing (gun shape showing through clothing), especially when wearing tight or lightweight clothes.
• Versatility with Attire: Using a belly band or a specific appendix holster allows for carrying without a sturdy belt or with clothing that lacks belt loops, such as gym shorts, scrubs, or sweatpants.
• Accessibility for Different Body Types: It is often chosen by those who find side-carry uncomfortable due to physical conditions or those who have trouble bending, providing a more accessible option.
  Buckeye Firearms Association +6

Note: While popular for comfort and access, this carry method requires strict attention to safety during re-holstering to avoid pointing the muzzle at the body.

 

[Angeleyes_7]

 

[Katrinepa]

I agree except we are a society that wants to see a smoking gun, DNA, and a strong motive. Suppose someone turns the perp in and is called as a witness at a trial. What's the first thing the defense attorney is going to ask him? How much reward money do you stand to collect for turning him in? Juries want blood, fibers, video of him in Walmart buying the backpack, perfect GPS and internet info that many don't even understand, etc. People want things TIGHT, not hanging . At least that's what I want to see before I convict someone. Bashing LE now may really prevent justice later and that's also too bad, JMO.

I think many, including myself, can get caught up in

I hope I come across friendly, I would like to share information on this. This may be an interesting read for you, the five stages were not meant to be about what those left behind experience. She based it on interviews with over 200 dying patients. I have read some her writings at the end of her life, she was unhappy that her work was taken out of context. And you are correct, they were never meant to be linear or applied to all people.

From

It’s Time to Let the Five Stages of Grief Die

Denial. Anger. Bargaining. Depression. Acceptance. This group of terms has become so ingrained in our cultural consciousness that almost anyone could tell you what they are: the five stages of grief. Introduced to the world in the 1969 book On Death and Dying by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, the...

www.mcgill.ca

“Using these experiences Kübler-Ross wrote her now famous book outlining the DABDA model, citing her contact with ‘‘over two hundred dying patients’" as its basis. Now, she did write in On Death and Dying that, “family members undergo different stages of adjustment similar to the ones described for our patients,” but having a loved one diagnosed with a terminal illness is not the same as losing said loved one to death. The five stages of grief were never meant for the bereaved. That’s just how they’ve been applied again and again.”

The EKR Foundation has further developed the model into what they now call the EKR Change Curve. There are other frameworks that speak to change in addition to the EKR one I mentioned above.

Kübler-Ross Change Curve® -

Since the publication of "On Death & Dying" (1969), the Five stages have been adapted into the "Kübler-Ross Change Curve" ™

www.ekrfoundation.org

I appreciate your knowledge and comments. I read her book in a Gerontology class in college, and when my own mother was murdered it helped me. I shared what I knew with a family friend, dealing with a family suicide, and trying to help his daughter and grandson, and they found it valuable in the immediate situation.
I also had a psychologist friend who knew Elizabeth, and he dealt with dying children at Johns Hopkins in the 1970s. I am fascinated by your post, and will look into this.
Thank you so much.

 

[Laura Avery]

Oh for goodness sake..why isn't this common sense, but also why wasn't it fenced off as a crime scene in the first place?!

 

[DizzyB]

To add to this, I think he acted alone. It makes the most sense on why the camera was disabled from the front of the house. He walks up to the house, disables camera, and then hides out and waits. He waits to see if any lights go or is listening to the police scanner for any 911 calls. Once he feels the coast is clear and the front camera removed, he pull his vehicle up to the front of the house. This is the quickest exit strategy if he’s acting alone and need to carry her. We can be 99.9% sure he left with her through the front door, because of the blood trailing that dna confirmed NG. There is no way the front door was unlocked and it has a metal screen door. Forcing entering through a back door would be quieter and faster. MOO.

I’m assuming this is why LE doesn’t feel the community is in danger. This looks like a very calculated and targeted kidnapping. MOO.

I wonder how the family went in when they rushed over. Did they enter through the garage, did they unlock the front door, was it already unlocked?

 

[warp3dwing]

BBM There's the hole right there. A test is also a warning. He has no idea if he was seen. SOOOOOO, a dry run makes less sense to me. JMO

Yeah, I feel you there. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Of course, that's at odds with what's being reported right now, albeit unofficially. But who knows, honestly. It's impossible to untangle what's real and what's media supposition.

 

[Trish51]

"Tucson Police West Division"

ETA: from what I understand and have seen.

They share the same 911 dispatch. I’m going to do a little research to see.

 

[Data Sleuth]

I really, really hope this isn't going Cold Case. Having said that, I think it is. Which makes it more likely that this WAS a hackneyed robbery where a perp panicked and killled/disposed of her. I really did not think this was the case but the longer it goes on the more I gravitate to this side.

Wondering if the perp was hired by a “higher up nefarious person” to conduct the abduction and deliver NG to that “higher up “whom would be the person whom would then conduct the ransom negotiation etc. etc with SG.”
However the “abductor(s)” would only get paid if they delivered a living NG . Unfortunately, if NG passed away during the abduction process then the hire ups would not pay the “abductor(s)” and in fact could exterminate them for not doing the dastardly deed successfully.
Also another reason to eliminate “Lantana person” was to ensure that there were no leaks of the failed mission by the perps who were at NG’s house.

My opinion only,

 

[submarine7]

Yeah, I feel you there. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Of course, that's at odds with what's being reported right now, albeit unofficially. But who knows, honestly. It's impossible to untangle what's real and what's media supposition.

I'm with you. Very confusing and the narrative grows in ways I don't really agree with but what do I know?

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026403851608129617

 

[Laura Avery]

I hope I come across friendly, I would like to share information on this. This may be an interesting read for you, the five stages were not meant to be about what those left behind experience. She based it on interviews with over 200 dying patients. I have read some her writings at the end of her life, she was unhappy that her work was taken out of context. And you are correct, they were never meant to be linear or applied to all people.

From

It’s Time to Let the Five Stages of Grief Die

Denial. Anger. Bargaining. Depression. Acceptance. This group of terms has become so ingrained in our cultural consciousness that almost anyone could tell you what they are: the five stages of grief. Introduced to the world in the 1969 book On Death and Dying by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, the...

www.mcgill.ca

“Using these experiences Kübler-Ross wrote her now famous book outlining the DABDA model, citing her contact with ‘‘over two hundred dying patients’" as its basis. Now, she did write in On Death and Dying that, “family members undergo different stages of adjustment similar to the ones described for our patients,” but having a loved one diagnosed with a terminal illness is not the same as losing said loved one to death. The five stages of grief were never meant for the bereaved. That’s just how they’ve been applied again and again.”

The EKR Foundation has further developed the model into what they now call the EKR Change Curve. There are other frameworks that speak to change in addition to the EKR one I mentioned above.

Kübler-Ross Change Curve® -

Since the publication of "On Death & Dying" (1969), the Five stages have been adapted into the "Kübler-Ross Change Curve" ™

www.ekrfoundation.org

Of course, not having closure means that a person can be stuck or lost in these stages as they are unable to move on from one to another easily. Also these stages can be completely back to front and upside down in normal circumstances, let alone circumstances where there is no obvious outcome. It's particularly mentally unforgiving for anyone in this situation. I really hope they have someone professional they can speak to. Someone that won't just go running to the press, and whilst client confidentiality should always come first, sadly money talks and some people lack integrity.

 

[Laura Avery]

BBM There's the hole right there. A test is also a warning. He has no idea if he was seen. SOOOOOO, a dry run makes less sense to me. JMO

That's an amazing point..does the US have nextdoor or similar, I know it's often more popular with the older or not so internet savvy. I hate to tarnish everyone older, some are much better at tech than me!

 

[Love Never Fails]

BBM There's the hole right there. A test is also a warning. He has no idea if he was seen. SOOOOOO, a dry run makes less sense to me. JMO

Even if the perp broke a door in she may not have heard a thing if her hearing aids were out. That was true for my mother in law and my husband. If he had met her or done any work around her home he would know she couldn’t hear. And if he knew she was on any meds, he likely knew she slept peacefully through the night. Hoping they find him and hang him.

 

[Puzzles8]

It's about time.
The handling of the crime scene has been shameful

JMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

It makes me madder every day that this jerk abducted her for hiss own personal needs. He didn’t do it for money, unless someone paid him up front. Who would that be?

 

[YetiBleu]

Saw some discussion a few pages back about what looked like a black antenna in the pocket of the kidnapper. Some thought it might be a walkie talkie so the perp could communicate with his accomplice. It may be but has anyone considered it could have been a police scanner?

 

[Sillybilly]

Have we been given the go ahead to sleuth these people?
IMO.

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LD is up for reasonable discussion as he was in fact detained in the SWAT deployment but subsequently released. Obviously he was a person of interest, and has not been publicly cleared by LE. He can still be discussed within reason, and bear in mind that his lawyer has stated (paraphrased by me) that LD had no involvement in Nancy's disappearance.

KD has not been detained or treated by LE as a POI in this case, so casting aspersions, making direct or indirect accusations her way, regardless of her relationship within the family or to LD, is not allowed.

 

[Love Never Fails]

The fact that they found a backpack within 2 miles of the house says alot. I dont think this backpack is involved but shows the area had not been searched.

The backpack concerns me. Why would anyone just toss one out a door or window?