• #38,881
I think it was. Then it was released after 22 hours or something then cordoned off again for a bit. Not sure where all this bungling criticism is coming from. Sheriff isnt the greatest orator but this case gets as much FBI as it is entitled to. Locals have the upper hand. It may be high profile as in media but it's no more or less important than a missing child, a missing pregnant mom or a missing politician. Life should be equally important and not sure what everyone thinks should have been the added perks here or why? No one gets perfection. Le and all of us are flawed. I'm not allowing the petty politics of Tuscon lambaste the sheriff. and alter my thinking. JMO
I don't know who did what and I'm not a local but I'm a human and I think all of this constant backstory drama is awful. Whoever is behind it should be ashamed of themselves for using NGs tragedy as a platform to further their agenda(s). The Guthrie family has enough grief to negotiate.

I've seen le attacked many times
Can you give exactly what he said and link it?
Sure. Starts talking about it around 30:30.

 
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Highly possible the kidnapper did his homework using AI to run statistics on best bet to get away with crime.

"Sheriff Competence AI," the use of data in modern crime is evolving:

Vulnerability Mapping: Criminals can use AI to aggregate public data—response times, historical solve rates (clearance rates), and patrol density—to identify "soft targets."
 
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This also suggests that this guy isn't the bumbling dolt that many folks read into that porch video. To do what he did, and to spend that much time in and around the home that night and other nights (evidently), and to not leave enough of his own DNA to even sample, suggests an expert skillset in depravity.

JMO.
I don't know, if he is the person who abducted her, if he were smarter I think she'd be alive.

I realize these are a lot of "ifs" and conditions packed into my above paragraph, but IMO clearly she's deceased, with this much time with no progress, because it's a hell of a lot easier to control a dead body than it is a live person, even a partially mobility limited 84 year old; and unless he's playing Russian roulette with the ransom I don't know why he wouldn't already have felt inducement enough to return her.

Once this stops being a mystery it's going to be a sad sad sordid story.

JMOpinion only.
 
  • #38,885
The linked article says the family hadn’t requested this.
Sorry, the article I read, but didn't link is here.

Per the article
The Guthrie family and friends requested the help of the Cajun Navy. Volunteers from the organization stated that an advance strike team will participate in the search.


 
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I feel at this point in time the only really great tip can come from someone who was peripherally involved with the crime and wants to be granted immunity. The rest would just be people speculating.
Totally agree. When I read MassGuy's post I immediately thought about the interview from the 911 Center in Pima County several days ago where the manager talked about what they were dealing with including theories and premonitions.

Reposting in case people didn't see it earlier
 
  • #38,887
Haven't posted on a while and maybe this will serve as comedic relief or just get me banned forever, but at this point, has anyone asked Nanos and his top 2 deputies where they were on the night NG went missing??Lmfao I am only kidding, but that is how crazy this case is. Literally nothing makes any sense that has come out of that inept department.
I know you’re joking, but your post reminded me that Entin’s interviewee last night did speculate about the chance that someone from current or former law enforcement may be involved. He wasn’t saying that it was likely – just that it was a possibility. He was pointing to the way the perp had evaded detection, suggesting it might mean knowledge of which LE methods to work around. Link to episode.

I wish my phone would stop changing BE’s surname to ‘Enron’ every single time. Things are bizarre enough without Enron involvement. Thanks to the mod who corrected my post last time it happened!
 
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I don't know who did what and I'm not a local but I'm a human and I think all of this constant backstory drama is awful. Whoever is behind it should be ashamed of themselves for using NGs tragedy as a platform to further their agenda(s). The Guthrie family has enough grief to negotiate.

I've seen le attacked many times

Sure. Starts talking about it around 30:30.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THAT ‼️🌟🙏
 
  • #38,889
What are you basing your analysis on? Do you have firearm training or are you basing your comment on criminals portrayed in Movies or TV?
Just asking because I happen to feel that this is not the perp’s first rodeo and that it is definitely an appendix carry.
We can agree to disagree, not being critical of your opinion but just trying to understand your viewpoint.
My opinion only
JMO as a long time gun owner and concealed carrier - appendix carry is usually concealed underneath clothing, using an inside the waistband holster or a belly band. Usually, appendix carry is used for smaller pistols for comfort and concealment.

Maybe there's one out there, but I've never seen an appendix carry holster exposed like in the photos. They are worn underneath pants, and held in place by clips or belts, or in the case of belly bands, elastic girdle-like bands that are worn on the body underneath clothing. The idea is to not only have the pistol handy, but to conceal it well so that its outline is not visible through clothing.

My opinion is that the unidentified individual is indulging in some kind of sexual symbolism by this unconventional carry mode.

Just my opinion and experience.
 
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BBM There's the hole right there. A test is also a warning. He has no idea if he was seen. SOOOOOO, a dry run makes less sense to me. JMO
This makes me wonder too if it is possible after the first visit the perp stayed in the area to see if there would be a police response? Like perhaps he wanted to see if not only did the nest camera woke and alerted NG but also if she ever saw the footage? Did her children? He probably figured if they did there would be a notable reaction to it, including from her son and daughters.

Perhaps he used a scanner to listen to LE and any 911 calls, news reports or he looked over police reports posted online afterwards? Perhaps he knew someone close to NG and through them, with or without them knowing the perp’s intentions were, was able to gain insight into whether the victim had noticed or reported anything since the night he first visited.

Maybe it was this was one step he took to decide whether or not he would give himself the green light to carry on with the abduction or abort it altogether because the risks of alerting someone and being caught were too high.

Or perhaps he knew somehow beforehand that NG no longer had a subscription and thus expected that by the time anyone knew she was missing the recording wouldn’t be available anymore.

Just my own thoughts or speculation
 
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Is this regarding with the images I posted? If so, they were not altered or manipulated. However, I'm not denying that the appearance of some kind of three-pronged object might something to do with some kind of shadow effect or delay in the footage. I just thought it was interesting.

Here are screenshots from this footage posted on X by Kash Patel where the same thing appears for a split second. Hopefully that helps? If not, feel free to remove again of course.
So hard to tell if it’s video pixel noise or an object. I looked up signal jammers and such things do exist. They have antennas on top and can also be homemade by tech knowledged people. Maybe the guy is more sophisticated than first thought.
 
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Thank you for pointing this out. I overlooked the article.

This might be one (just one) of the reasons we are seeing No Trespassing signs going up on NG property today.

I stand by my earlier comment on them self deploying and acting independently of LE even creating a system for leads. Not good and disappointing. But I’m so used to seeing this happen unfortunately in missing person cases. The SAR team’s LE does request rarely give interviews. They are in and out. No fanfare. IMO



According to Brian S. Trascher with The United Cajun Navy, one certified search and rescue volunteer is in Tucson assessing needs for the search at the request of local volunteer groups.

According to Trascher, the United Cajun Navy has submitted a capabilities statement to the FBI and sheriff in Tucson, but have not been requested to help in their search.

Trascher said the Guthrie family has also not requested their assistance.

Well, IMO, if the family hasn't asked, then they need to now.
 
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I don't know who did what and I'm not a local but I'm a human and I think all of this constant backstory drama is awful. Whoever is behind it should be ashamed of themselves for using NGs tragedy as a platform to further their agenda(s). The Guthrie family has enough grief to negotiate.

I've seen le attacked many times

Sure. Starts talking about it around 30:30.

Yes, the idea of someone who has peripheral involvement in the crime, being granted immunity if they come forward to divulge information and "rat out" the others who are involved.

✨Yes, that is what Brian Entin was told, and what the man is informing him about. Exactly what I have been opining about for the last couple of days!
 
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dbm
 
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Thank you for pointing this out. I overlooked the article.

This might be one (just one) of the reasons we are seeing No Trespassing signs going up on NG property today.

I stand by my earlier comment on them self deploying and acting independently of LE even creating a system for leads. Not good and disappointing. But I’m so used to seeing this happen unfortunately in missing person cases. The SAR team’s LE does request rarely give interviews. They are in and out. No fanfare. IMO



According to Brian S. Trascher with The United Cajun Navy, one certified search and rescue volunteer is in Tucson assessing needs for the search at the request of local volunteer groups.

According to Trascher, the United Cajun Navy has submitted a capabilities statement to the FBI and sheriff in Tucson, but have not been requested to help in their search.

Trascher said the Guthrie family has also not requested their assistance.

This sheriff will not agree that another group will come into his territory and maybe find NG. IMO
 
  • #38,897
Law enforcement changing their position on offering a reward is not a positive sign for the state of the investigation.

The amount of tips has not been an issue, but the quality is obviously lacking.

The danger here is that this encourages more of the same, but obviously they believe the upside outweighs that risk.

This never had anything to do with the family’s willingness to pay. It’s strategy, plain and simple.
The Guthrie's wanted to offer it on day one (even though they took a heck of a lot of flack from SM about SG being so rich and only a $25K reward) but LE/FBI begged them not to do it so they wouldn't flood or overpower the tip line.

I think at this point, fearing she may be deceased, the Guthrie's have decided as a family to offer the reward for her return regardless. If a person has information regarding Nancy's location, they would have to know something about the crime itself.

That's a lot of money and I hope it generates a reliable lead.

MOO
 
  • #38,898
Hi trying to catch up, some things go over my head like this. Would you all be able to explain what this is about? If not totally understand, don't want anyone to get in any trouble.
Wrong case
 
  • #38,899
Haven't posted on a while and maybe this will serve as comedic relief or just get me banned forever, but at this point, has anyone asked Nanos and his top 2 deputies where they were on the night NG went missing??Lmfao I am only kidding, but that is how crazy this case is. Literally nothing makes any sense that has come out of that inept department.
I did find myself examining the sheriff’s eyes. 🧐
 
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What are you basing your analysis on? Do you have firearm training or are you basing your comment on criminals portrayed in Movies or TV?
Just asking because I happen to feel that this is not the perp’s first rodeo and that it is definitely an appendix carry.
We can agree to disagree, not being critical of your opinion but just trying to understand your viewpoint.
My opinion only
i am basing it on the appendix is on your lower right quadrant. The gun holster is covering and in his CROTCH. JMO
 

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