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Just thinking out loud - I wonder if there were any signs of forced entry in the casita - perp could have been in there before (11th?), watching if NG had a routine, who comes and goes, whether she locked doors/windows at night etc... JMO

Totally possible. Also, he could have been back there before he went around to the front door Sunday morning.

In the door nest cam footage he first emerges from the right side of the home. Left side from the view of the door cam.
 
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We need to get back to basics thinking here. List 5 reasons someone would take a body with them?
1. I'll start embarrassment over sexual fantasy, evidence being found.
2. To prolong worry and distress of loved ones
 
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2. To prolong worry and distress of loved ones
3. Panic - caused death when just meant to injure/incapacitate.. didn't want to leave DNA or other evidence
 
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3. Panic - caused death when just meant to injure/incapacitate.. didn't want to leave DNA or other evidence
4. No body, no crime
 
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IMHO

This case was a highly planned out and most definitely targeted kidnapping for ransom in order to specifically extort big money from Savannah Guthrie who had the means to pay six million dollars for the return of her mother.

It was/ is a very sophisticated kidnapping for ransom in several ways.
It was without a doubt NOT a burglary or sexual crime.
It was not a vendetta against Savannah per se, she was simply targeted for her wealth
and for the fact that it was public knowledge that she was close to her mother who lived in Tucson.

Both NBC and Savannah realize (after the fact) that they contributed to the fact that Nancy was targeted. In Savannah’s case she will need to forgive herself for the sake of her own health and for those who love her and need her.

I think that ransom notes sent to TMZ and such were possible duplicates of the same note sent earlier to local law enforcement and/or to NBC for Savannah’s attention- just not disclosed as such.
After no acknowledgment of the earliest note(s), the kidnappers cast a wider net to be sure their important note wasn’t ignored - hence TMZ and local news stations.
The earliest note was legitimately attached to this kidnapping and these kidnappers meant business. No further contact, no negotiations for less than six million dollars.
This was definitely NOT a one man operation.

I will reiterate that it is my belief that this kidnapping was masterminded by people who may be local but definitely have connections south of the border - which is 90 minutes by car from Nancy’s home.
I think Nancy was well into Mexico many hours before the alarm was raised by her friends when she missed their get-together for virtual church worship.

Statistically Mexico has tens of thousands of kidnappings for extortion/ ransom yearly.
One could even say it has a kidnapping culture.

The original note was not written by AI but was analyzed as composed by a non native English speaker.
Thereby the original sharp focus on Savannah’s brother in law who was subsequently and rightfully fully cleared.

The biggest clue by far in this case is the porch videos.
Law enforcement should be commended for extracting those videos.
I don’t think there was any extra masking to hide features.
The facial hair in the video matches copious numbers of locals, copious numbers of gentlemen from south of the border and almost half of the US men’s hockey team that just won gold in the Olympics.
In other words, these aren’t unique features.

I don’t think Nancy had a working burglar alarm. Perps would have checked for that before breaking in the night of the abduction.

How is this kidnapping sophisticated?
1) legitimate ransom note is untraceable- very very advanced computer skills on behalf of perps
2) crypto account for ransom also untraceable - would have been abandoned after authorities deposited their “dusting” money into the account
3) no traceable vehicle that Nancy was abducted in to date
4) no mistakes like “knife sheath” left on scene
5) meticulous planning to assure perps are not identified

I don’t believe these sophisticated perps tossed their black gloves out their truck/van window. Nothing will come of any of the gloves.

I think the kidnappers have covered their tracks/ disposed of/ burned the kidnapping vehicle, disposed of/ burned all clothing and accessories seen in the porch video/ disposed of/ burned Nancy’s body. They have abandoned anything that could tie them via DNA to Nancy- possibly even burned down the remote ranch house where they were holding Nancy.

I think that in time, the FBI will determine which group planned this sophisticated, targeted kidnapping but there will be no evidence to prosecute anyone involved.

I think that the group involved in taking Nancy has carried out numerous successful extortions/ kidnappings for ransom in the past and that this one was the culmination of their past experiences and their brazenness in raising the bar to a much higher bounty.

I don’t think that this will be their last kidnapping or that they will necessarily lay low for any amount of time.

I think these kidnappers truly thought that they had a good chance of obtaining six million dollars from Savannah and that they are disappointed/ angry/frustrated that their well thought out plan didn’t bear fruit this time.

I think their wheels are already spinning towards other possible targets that may bear fruit.

Nonetheless, I’m still joining Savannah in praying for a miracle and my heart truly aches for all of Nancy’s loved ones.
A well planned kidnap for ransom would have included unambiguous proof of life, and would likely have succeeded. Showing knowledge of the crime scene is insufficient, so either something went wrong or the ransom wasn’t the goal.

Agreed with many of your other points.
 
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This is going to come across as totally random, and maybe it is. Is anyone familiar with a local rapper from Tucson who infamously wears a mask similar to the one in the videos of the perp?

MOO.
 
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Sure… but it’s been three weeks. It would be unmistakable, at this point, that something was dead in there.
Yeah, I don't think she's in there. I just wanted to point out that it has happened before. MOO
 
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We need to get back to basics thinking here. List 5 reasons someone would take a body with them?
1. I'll start embarrassment over sexual fantasy, evidence being found.
Hired to do so?
 
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Lantana man could have broken into the casita first. His backpack had some items in it when he approached the door at 2:12 a.m. and the top of his backpack was unzipped.
 
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Other than AG's initial visit to the house when she discovered NG missing, do we know if the family members spent much time with the investigators at the house, reviewing to see what, if anything, was missing, possibly taken along with Nancy? Could the occupants of the suv that pulled into the garage be family, asked to see if they can identify any missing items? Just my thoughts.

MOO. BE said they appeared to be investigators and someone else said FBI. I'm not entirely sure it is law enforcement - some seem a little over dressed to be LE. I'm wondering whether it might be a team of private investigators and/or body guards hired by the family. I know when my mother passed it was important for the family to gather here (I lived here with her as I was her caregiver) and be around her presence and her belongings. This family hasn't had that opportunity and IMHO it is time for the media to clear the streets and give them the time and space they need to be at the house and on the grounds without every move being watched by spectators or filmed by camera crews or drones. But yes I do think it is possible whether LE investigators or private investigators that at least someone in the family was in that SUV that pulled in the garage and at least part of the reason would be to go thru the house with them to see what might be missing or out of place. The way it was described as having pulled right in sounds like they had a garage door opener with them and it is likely that AG had one in one of her vehicles that she provided to whoever was in the SUV. Whether these people are LE or not and whether anyone in the family was with them, I see very little value to the continued media presence at NG's home and have thought for a while that they needed to be more respectful of the family and clear the area and report from somewhere else.
 
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IMOO, I think the reporting that the DNA couldn't be uploaded into CODIS is a way to make the perp feel relaxed and like he is getting away with this and to NOT RUN, in order to let IGG have a crack at it. IGG needs time--I think it was a smart play by LE to buy time to let IGG do their thing.

I think (or at least I hope) they have a really good feeling about who did this now [mod snip no link to back up statement of fact]

Crossing my fingers, something breaking will be announced soon. Praying for NG's family.
 
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Sharks? This is the casita. Not her bedroom
I didn't notice the casita part before I commented. It just looked like a balled up duvet to me.
 
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A well planned kidnap for ransom would have included unambiguous proof of life, and would likely have succeeded. Showing knowledge of the crime scene is insufficient, so either something went wrong or the ransom wasn’t the goal.
BBM That's YOUR script not the perps. His rules not yours. He doesn't conform to societal expectations or old movie plots. JMO
 
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Has it ever been mentioned if NG ever leased out her Casita?
Haven't heard it mentioned. Last week, the NYT reported that NG's mother and older brother lived in the guest house in the 1990s. MOO
 
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I have a feeling the drilling noises that some media reported they heard prior to FBI arriving was likely due to the locksmith changing hardware. MOO
Agree
 
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IMOO, I think the reporting that the DNA couldn't be uploaded into CODIS is a way to make the perp feel relaxed and like he is getting away with this and to NOT RUN, in order to let IGG have a crack at it. IGG needs time--I think it was a smart play by LE to buy time to let IGG do their thing.

I think (or at least I hope) they have a really good feeling about who did this now and that is why they are allowing the family into the home at the moment.

Crossing my fingers, something breaking will be announced soon. Praying for NG's family.
I so hope you are right! 🤞
 
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