AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SaraSmile]

I suppose Nancy could have been in bed, taken out of bed, and then injured because there must be blood that is not in her bed.
"We know she went to bed." - Sheriff Nanos
Nanos mentioned that he wonders whether she got up to go to the door, restroom, or to the fridge.
AB's source said the blood drops inside match the blood drops outside. They are passive blood drops falling from a height meaning Nancy was either standing or being carried when she was bleeding.

The only way I can see her going to the front door is if she got an alert via the doorbell nest cam app and she went to make sure her front door was locked.

She was taken from bed, injured( bloody nose), carried, blood dripping pattern, out the front door. JMO

 

[Napoli]

I think there are a lot of presumptions based on personal bias. We've had opinions on driving at night, hearing, taking uber to family's house, opening front doors and other patterns a person may do.

Many are basing this in their own personal bias, but everyone is so different. I would love to talk to her immediate family and get a vibe check on these possibilities, surely they would know better.

But, yeah, I do believe she would answer the door even at night in certain circumstances, and if Latanas man knew her, or things about her or her family, he could possibly yell out a convincing ruse to lure her to the door (with the doorbell cam down), startled at night (it is also consistent w/ the only piece of video we have and the masked man's behavior on it IMO). I personally know other elderly people that would come to the front door at night under such pretenses. It's very conceivable to me.

Coming to the front door is one thing. OPENING the door to someone dressed like lantana man is, imo, not conceivable for an elderly woman or most women even if you recognized the voice etc. (you're a man, lol different parts of your brain might not light up!) If she's really "sharp as a tack" as her family has alleged, the normal fight or flight instinct would kick in. She also wears hearing aids. She was allegedly taken from her bed. Hearing aids were out per reports here and she possibly would not have even heard the person at the door or possibly wouldn't' have even recognized a voice accurately without her hearing aids. JMO

I dont think it's a personal bias.

 

[FaviousM]

She was taken from bed, injured( bloody nose), carried, blood dripping pattern, out the front door. JMO

See, I look at the blood pattern outside the door and to me it looks like the pattern from someone standing still and their nose/mouth is bleeding rather than someone being carried out. All the motion looks downwards to me but that's JMO I'm not an expert beyond having lots of nose bleeds in my day haha

 

[TwoBlueJays]

Yes, this is what I was talking about. In the video, that spot of light moves in the exact same manner as the perps hand/rest of the plant meaning it's almost definitely a part of the plant reflecting the IR light back. The reason it stops occasionally is because the plant is jammed up against the door/door frame

Lantana is not a reflective plant.
And many oages vack, the lights behind the suspect were identified as the neighbor's outside lights.
moo

 

[FaviousM]

Lantana is not a reflective plant.
And many oages vack, the lights behind the suspect were identified as the neighbor's outside lights.
moo

It's very clearly reflecting back the IR once it gets close enough to the camera

 

[annpats]

This is the video showing light source on right of screen. Look at 40-42 sec mark

Authorities Release First Videos, Pics of Potential Subject in Nancy Guthrie Case

We now have video and images of a person of interest in the Nancy Guthrie abduction from her Arizona home more than a week ago.

www.tmz.com

This one here.

Yes, it does look like there could be another person with a flashlight that's arrived at the top of her path.

The light isn't there at the start of the video when he's faffing with the foliage.

It isn't the light from the neighboring house, as those can be seen at the beginning of the video and also to the left (as looking at the footage.)

This light appears towards the end and seems to come from the right.

 

[shonyakay]

I think it is so noble of Savannah and family to think of others and donate a significant amount to NCMEC all the while going through this nightmare. I hope they are able to recover Nancy and find out who did this and why.

 

[shonyakay]

This one here.

Yes, it does look like there could be another person with a flashlight that's arrived at the top of her path.

The light isn't there at the start of the video when he's faffing with the foliage.

It isn't the light from the neighboring house, as those can be seen at the beginning of the video and also to the left (as looking at the footage.)

This light appears towards the end and seems to come from the right.

The light source that is circled red in the attachment is his bite light in his mouth.

 

[wibbleflea]

It's very clearly reflecting back the IR once it gets close enough to the camera

Yes, a leaf very close to the IR source and the lens, so reflecting a ton of light. It's completely overexposed (blown out) and looks like a light source.

 

[birdbox]

Yes. But I think there's some truth in the belief that a reward that large shouldn't be done from the jump, and could have led to a massive amount of useless tips.

I disagree. In hindsight doing the opposite of everything that has been done could have worked. We will never know, and thats what's tragic. I think the sad thing is you know when people go "against" their gut and it fails. Id rather go with my gut and take the blame if my plan failed, but it would be hard to overcome not listening to your gut, listening to LE, maybe knowing you might be smarter and their plan failing and you never get your loved one back.

 

[Napoli]

I suppose Nancy could have been in bed, taken out of bed, and then injured because there must be blood that is not in her bed.
"We know she went to bed." - Sheriff Nanos
Nanos mentioned that he wonders whether she got up to go to the door, restroom, or to the fridge.
AB's source said the blood drops inside match the blood drops outside. They are passive blood drops falling from a height meaning Nancy was either standing or being carried when she was bleeding.

The only way I can see her going to the front door is if she got an alert via the doorbell nest cam app and she went to make sure her front door was locked.

I thought it has been established she didnt have a paid subscription. If she didnt have a subscription, how did she get an alert? jmo

 

[shonyakay]

She was taken from bed, injured( bloody nose), carried, blood dripping pattern, out the front door. JMO

I don't think she had to have been carried necessarily. It is an option though.

The blood drops are not massive and I don't think she would necessarily have bloody feet due to them. JMO.

 

[OldCop]

My opinion doesn’t matter here but I want to offer this for anyone not knowing what its like not to hear anything. When I retired I went to work part time helping the elderly. I worked with a woman, 86, who could not hear anything at all without her hearing aids, and with them, she had only slight hearing. I cleaned her home, paid her bills and cooked her meals every day. Her only son lived out of town and would not pay for overnight care for her, though she could truly afford it. She wore a life alert necklace but sometimes would push it by accident or roll over it at night. She never heard the alarm and kept it in another room.

One morning I showed up for work and her front wooden door was smashed in and the lock on the glass door broken. Of course, when I yelled her name there was no answer,. I screamed, got in my car and locked the doors and called police. I wasn’t about to walk in that home alone. The 911 operator transferred me to a policeman, I was frantic, and he says “Oh yes, we were there at 2 AM. Mrs. (name not necessary) rolled over on her life alert during the night. The alarm company called us and we had to break in the door to get in. She was sleeping soundly and was startled when we woke her.”

I went in the home and she was back in bed sound asleep. Needless to say, I had to get a carpenter that day to buy a new door and lock and install it. When I called her son, he was unconcerned. I told him to come into town NOW. It took him a few days but i quit the day he arrived. I told him what I thought of his lack of care of his mother. I have always wondered about her. She lived another six years.

I do not believe Nancy ever heard anyone or answered a door. i believe, as Savannah said, she was taken from her bed that night. As for the 41 minutes the perp was in her home, he was either looking for something valuable he knew about, or there was a SA.
Either way, I am praying for the Guthrie’s.

ETA: If Nancy awoke she may have tried to run or fought him and he hit her, making her bleed. That could have been what caused him to take her with him.

First of all, @Love Never Fails, your opinion does matter here. Debate and discussion are what makes us think outside the box. We don’t need to agree with everyone, but we should all respect each other’s opinion.
I agree with your assessment. She probably was taken from her bed.
Also, I don’t entirely rule out the possibility of Nancy Guthrie trying to escape her captors. A lot of people don’t think she could have made a run for it, but it’s incredible the strength you get from adrenaline. She has some muscles in her legs if she operates her vehicle unless it was adapted to be handicap accessible.
As for the 41 minutes, another possibility is that they were trying to force her to open her safe, hand over valuables, give up pin #’s etc.

 

[Bluewing3102]

I thought it has been established she didnt have a paid subscription. If she didnt have a subscription, how did she get an alert? jmo

Subscription means video doesn't save after 3 hours. She'd still get motion alerts

 

[Data Sleuth]

Just read an article talking about how they will look for who had their cell phone off during the time of the crime.

Link please

 

[gbowski]

When I really look at this particular image, the guy looks older, his physique and pants, shoes, etc. The pants look like khaki type work pants you would see on service workers, they dont appear to be jogging pants. Most young people dont wear pants like this at all. I cant even see a young person buying them as a disguise. This looks like a middle aged football coach outfit.

I agree. That pic looks like a middle aged guy with a belly to me. The video looks like a younger person diddy bopping up to the door. IMO

 

[OldCop]

I thought it has been established she didnt have a paid subscription. If she didnt have a subscription, how did she get an alert? jmo

If you don’t have a subscription you still get an alert, but no video is saved to your account.

 

[SaraSmile]

See, I look at the blood pattern outside the door and to me it looks like the pattern from someone standing still and their nose/mouth is bleeding rather than someone being carried out. All the motion looks downwards to me but that's JMO I'm not an expert beyond having lots of nose bleeds in my day haha

Yes, it’s downward droplets, but since very few drops are smeared, she probably wasn’t walking.

Since nose is on the front of the face, and there were donut shaped droplets on floor, pavement, this can mean air was mixed with blood, coming from nose, IMO.

If she was walking, she would have smeared her own droplets.
That’s why I think she was carried out the front door.

JMO

 

[Chicago54]

This one here.

Yes, it does look like there could be another person with a flashlight that's arrived at the top of her path.

The light isn't there at the start of the video when he's faffing with the foliage.

It isn't the light from the neighboring house, as those can be seen at the beginning of the video and also to the left (as looking at the footage.)

This light appears towards the end and seems to come from the right.

I agree with you.
Re: the plant, its illumination from the IR light is consistent throughout video. As the plant moves closer to the camera, it does appear whiter or brighter. The gloved fingers reflectively illuminated also react it the same way, as appearing lighter gray at certain times.
Re: this heavy, intense, bright light with a clearly defined border- it appears to be something else. It’s under the entryway roof, to the right and is not neighbors lights. IMO.

 

[birdbox]

I think there are a lot of presumptions based on personal bias. We've had opinions on driving at night, hearing, taking uber to family's house, opening front doors and other patterns a person may do.

Many are basing this in their own personal bias, but everyone is so different. I would love to talk to her immediate family and get a vibe check on these possibilities, surely they would know better.

But, yeah, I do believe she would answer the door even at night in certain circumstances, and if Latanas man knew her, or things about her or her family, he could possibly yell out a convincing ruse to lure her to the door (with the doorbell cam down), startled at night (it is also consistent w/ the only piece of video we have and the masked man's behavior on it IMO). I personally know other elderly people that would come to the front door at night under such pretenses. It's very conceivable to me.

We all have personal bias, and many variables changed ie Uber, no Uber would have had no bearing on results. We will never know. There are so many variables here, and that makes it complex.