• #39,801
See, I look at the blood pattern outside the door and to me it looks like the pattern from someone standing still and their nose/mouth is bleeding rather than someone being carried out. All the motion looks downwards to me but that's JMO I'm not an expert beyond having lots of nose bleeds in my day haha
agreed, the blood drops look fat and round to me and not more tear-drop shaped like if NG was actively being transported... but that makes it more confusing to me in an already befuddling crime scene!!
 
  • #39,802
Still pondering the sheriff’s comments about NG being taken from bed.. or did she get up during the night… go to refrigerator.., etc. These details seem strangely specific to me. Is it possible she has a smart refrigerator that may have recorded the door opening/closing in the night? Perhaps she sleeps with a CPAP that may have a record of when it was donned and later removed… other biometrics like her Apple Watch? Maybe she actually wore it to bed but it was removed prior to leaving the house? This small part of the puzzle is likely inconsequential, but nonetheless compelling to me. MOO.
 
  • #39,803
Still pondering the sheriff’s comments about NG being taken from bed.. or did she get up during the night… go to refrigerator.., etc. These details seem strangely specific to me. Is it possible she has a smart refrigerator that may have recorded the door opening/closing in the night? Perhaps she sleeps with a CPAP that may have a record of when it was donned and later removed… other biometrics like her Apple Watch? Maybe she actually wore it to bed but it was removed prior to leaving the house? This small part of the puzzle is likely inconsequential, but nonetheless compelling to me. MOO.
I'm starting to think the whole 'taken from her bed' thing is just a saying. Something that emphasises the vulnerability in the situation
 
  • #39,804
Media banished from NG’s neighborhood = nothing to see here; return to normalcy.

Status of case = heading toward icy waters

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  • #39,805
I thought it has been established she didnt have a paid subscription. If she didnt have a subscription, how did she get an alert? jmo

You still receive motion and person alerts in the app without a Nest Aware subscription. You will get notifications for camera activity (e.g., person detected, doorbell ring), but you lose features like 24/7 video recording, familiar face detection, and video history longer than 3 hours.

You receive push notifications for motion, people, and doorbell presses and you can still view live video feeds.
 
  • #39,806

Note: Her unexpected and subsequent death, was never part of the plan. Otherwise, both – or all three - would face a capital murder charge.
Considering that she had limited mobility and couldn't have put up any serious resistance yet the blood splatter points to the realization they badly damaged her face before they got her outside, it's clear they didn't care about harming her either.
I don't think returning her was ever part of the plan.
 
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It's as cold as ice
 
  • #39,809
If you don’t have a subscription you still get an alert, but no video is saved to your account.
I am paying for this freaking thing for nothing then! lol JMO
 
  • #39,810
Coming to the front door is one thing. OPENING the door to someone dressed like lantana man is, imo, not conceivable for an elderly woman or most women even if you recognized the voice etc. (you're a man, lol different parts of your brain might not light up!) If she's really "sharp as a tack" as her family has alleged, the normal fight or flight instinct would kick in. She also wears hearing aids. She was allegedly taken from her bed. Hearing aids were out per reports here and she possibly would not have even heard the person at the door or possibly wouldn't' have even recognized a voice accurately without her hearing aids. JMO

I dont think it's a personal bias.
Agreed, I think most people would call 911 immediately if they saw lantana man outside the front door. A single woman, would not open the door, for sure.
Example, Amazon delivers at all hours, most people just get the package in the am. Why go to the door at night? Most people believe night time is private time.
I also agree, she probably did not hear anything ( hearing aids out, sleeping), if camera alerted on her phone, she did not hear or respond to it.
It makes the most sense intruders came in the back, surprised her in bed. Most logical way. JMO
 
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Yes, it’s downward droplets, but since very few drops are smeared, she probably wasn’t walking.

Since nose is on the front of the face, and there were donut shaped droplets on floor, pavement, this can mean air was mixed with blood, coming from nose, IMO.

If she was walking, she would have smeared her own droplets.
That’s why I think she was carried out the front door.

JMO

We don't know if any blood smears such as walking though blood was found in her home but due to her mobility issues it would make sense that she was carried outside.
I suppose she could have been dragged. There is two faint swirl like patterns on the porch further away from the door.
 
  • #39,813
Still pondering the sheriff’s comments about NG being taken from bed.. or did she get up during the night… go to refrigerator.., etc. These details seem strangely specific to me. Is it possible she has a smart refrigerator that may have recorded the door opening/closing in the night? Perhaps she sleeps with a CPAP that may have a record of when it was donned and later removed… other biometrics like her Apple Watch? Maybe she actually wore it to bed but it was removed prior to leaving the house? This small part of the puzzle is likely inconsequential, but nonetheless compelling to me. MOO.
I keep going back and isolating the Google search dates to look at the very early window of what was said and what wasn't said or walked back/retracted. This article is from February 3, 2026:

Excerpt 1: Nanos initially told NBC News, “When you’re taken from your bed and you don’t want to go somewhere, that’s an abduction.” But Nanos “meant that figuratively and did not mean she was literally taken from her bed,” the sheriff’s department later clarified to NBC.

Excerpt 2: “We also have some things at that scene that indicate to us that she was removed from that scene against her will. I can’t go into all those details” to protect the integrity of the case, Nanos said.

Excerpt 3: Investigators also do not believe it was a home invasion or robbery gone wrong, Nanos told MS NOW, adding they’re not dismissing that possibility, either.

Local news link:
 
  • #39,814
I'm starting to think the whole 'taken from her bed' thing is just a saying. Something that emphasises the vulnerability in the situation
Nanos walked it back, intimating that it was a figure of speech, not necessarily what happened in the truest sense. However, Savannah repeated it exactly in the latest IG post. That makes me think it was really what occurred.
 
  • #39,815
I disagree. In hindsight doing the opposite of everything that has been done could have worked. We will never know, and thats what's tragic. I think the sad thing is you know when people go "against" their gut and it fails. Id rather go with my gut and take the blame if my plan failed, but it would be hard to overcome not listening to your gut, listening to LE, maybe knowing you might be smarter and their plan failing and you never get your loved one back.
I think SG’s reward is being handled the best way, with current knowledge. LE has a history of reward strategies and usually gives sound advice.

I don’t think an earlier SG reward, would have brought NG back alive, in this case. 😢
Like you said, we will never know for sure.

We can only go forward from here, hope that a tip will come in, NG will be returned, perp identified.

JMO
 
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If you don’t have a subscription you still get an alert, but no video is saved to your account.
Up to 3 hours of event footage is accessible in a free account. Though, it’s obvious Google hangs on to more in the background.
 
  • #39,818
I think it’s actually a jab at Sgt. Aaron Cross and Heather Lappin, who’ve both come out in the past few days with high-profile armchair attacks on Sheriff Nanos and his handling of the investigation. I think Conover is supportive of Nanos.


IMO, While All attention should be on solving the case, no other distracting personal issues should be mentioned. to anyone! Immature, ineffective, and unprofessional overall. Suck it up, and get on with finding Nancy and her kidnapper/murderer.
 
  • #39,819
I think SG’s reward is being handled the best way, with current knowledge. LE has a history of reward strategies and usually gives sound advice.

I don’t think an earlier SG reward, would have brought NG back alive, in this case. 😢
Like you said, we will never know for sure.

We can only go forward from here, hope that a tip will come in, NG will be returned, perp identified.

JMO
Agree.

The initial ransom was reported to be around 1 million then increased to 6 million after the first deadline. MOO bc I can’t remember who reported.

I am wondering if the reports about the initial ransom being $1M are true that that’s why SG is specifically offering $1M for arrest/conviction or body. IF ransom guys were legit, a way for them to get what they wanted initially 🤷‍♀️ MOO
 
  • #39,820
But as Brian Entin noted, it absolutely affects media.
Media are not a priority. Nor should they be. Whatever LE has to do to find Nancy should be paramount.
 

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