AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[submarine7]

What does this mean, do you all think?

I'm torn between thinking all of these latest developments suggest closure is coming or it's just a more practical maneuver.

 

[Kapua]

Unfortunately, they'll need a suspect first - and their phone - to verify they turned it off. The tower doesn't track when phones are turned off. Phones themselves don't store that info forever, either, so there's that...

The article did mention possibly tracking phones that were active in the relative vicinity, then went dormant, followed by new activity shortly after the abduction. I'm sure they're trying it - and if anyone can pull it off, it's the FBI - but it must be a challenge to do.

This also assumes the suspect, who by all accounts has flummoxed LE so far, was sloppy with his phone usage and brought it with him. It's possible, and I hope that's what happened, but I'm not so sure at this point. Even a simple Faraday bag (or aluminum foil!) can, uh, foil other ways of tracing and tracking, like Bluetooth Low Energy.

I've explored this phone on/off issue once before with the Kelley Brannon case. We were able to fairly confidently determine that a "target" phone was off because we knew another phone called this target phone at a certain time, but the call did not register on the target phone's call log and went directly to carrier voicemail. (This may not be true for all carriers.) But again, to use this kind of deduction, you'd still need to know who you're looking for.

I hope I'm wrong!

It's entirely possible that the suspect left their phone on at their residence to establish an alibi. Why would you bring a phone to a crime scene? MOO

 

[Rick7788]

Okay, but wasn't this the time of day when people are usually asleep, so their phone would be off anyway?

Most people have their phones "on" while sleeping.
I have never turned mine "off" during the night while asleep.
Has anyone here done that? Ever?

 

[keek]

Most people have their phones "on" while sleeping.
I have never turned mine "off" during the night while asleep.
Has anyone here done that? Ever?

Never off. I'll click off 'messages' if not needing to be up via phone alarm. That's it. You have family, kids etc never shut the phone off and unable to be reached.

 

[Skigh]

Most people have their phones "on" while sleeping.
I have never turned mine "off" during the night while asleep.
Has anyone here done that? Ever?

I always turn mine off !! I still have a landline for emergencies.

 

[Cassie P]

It's entirely possible that the suspect left their phone on at their residence to establish an alibi. Why would you bring a phone to a crime scene? MOO

The man arrested in the recent Tepe case did this. Left his phone at work while he committed a double murder. He thought it would provide an alibi.

 

[Amy0077]

My phone is on do not disturb all day and night. It works for me.

 

[303gmf]

Okay, but wasn't this the time of day when people are usually asleep, so their phone would be off anyway?

Mine is never off, occasionally the ring tone is on low volume usually by mistake

 

[vereb]

Never off. I'll click off 'messages' if not needing to be up via phone alarm. That's it. You have family, kids etc never shut the phone off and unable to be reached.

Sometimes I will put mine on Do Not Disturb when I know I will want to sleep in, but I have set exceptions for close family so their calls can still get through.

 

[Sarahlou]

Most people have their phones "on" while sleeping.
I have never turned mine "off" during the night while asleep.
Has anyone here done that? Ever?

I never turn my phone off but I put it on silent at night.

 

[crumbcleaner]

We could use that as a brainstorming exercise here - if they arrested someone tomorrow, who would be the least surprising perpetrator for you?

I’ll go first: a neighbor or a neighbor’s adult son who lives within walking distance and tends to keep to themselves.

Someone who worked at the house or on the house at some point in the last 3-6 months.

 

[maskedwoman]

Most people have their phones "on" while sleeping.
I have never turned mine "off" during the night while asleep.
Has anyone here done that? Ever?

Mine is never off, but goes into do not disturb from 9-5. Anyone not marked as a favorite, the phone doesn't ring out loud or give notificatio sounds. I want be waked up for emergencies, but not for chatting.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I saw this article shared on twitter. Happened in September 2025 in Catalina foothills. A nice home with cameras was burglarized by a group with one pretending be delivery.

Tucson has a problem!

Catalina Foothills man catches brazen burglars on camera

A Catalina Foothills man is now sharing the video of people breaking into his home while he was out of town.

www.kold.com

I wanted to share this again to show how these perps didn’t care if there were cameras either. Looks like one has been arrested but others not yet?

Arrest made in Catalina Foothills burglary investigation

A felony warrant had been issued for her arrest prior to the arrest.

www.kold.com

TUCSON, Ariz. (13 News) - The Pima County Sheriff’s Department announced the arrest of a suspect from a burglary investigation.

The PCSD said 27-year-old Catherine Williams had been wanted by the Burglary Unit since Sept. 13.

She was located and arrested at a Tucson residence on Thursday, Oct. 9. As of Friday night, she was not in custody.

Williams was identified through an extensive investigation and confirmed with the help of crime tips and surveillance footage shared by members of the public.
…..
The Burglary Unit continues to investigate and is working to identify additional suspects involved in the incident.
….
(Backstory)
It seemed to start with what looked like a delivery earlier this month that was unexpected.
…
About 45 minutes later, other cameras on the house record an SUV’s arrival.

A man got out and walked around back before meeting two men who appeared to have walked in from a nearby wash. They then broke glass in a door to enter the home.

I'm with you on the costume/performative theory.

Even if you had never been to Nancy's house before, you can tell it's an upscale neighborhood. The chances of Nancy having at least one security camera is, like, 99%. And if a house has at least one camera, where is it going to be? Front door.

If I were the suspect, I'd hide my face, move off to the side of the camera, and yank it off the mount, or cover it with something more substantial from my bag.

And if I felt the need to cover the camera temporarily, I'd cover the whole thing with my hand, not frame the top of it. Why do that? It's obvious where the camera is. This guy's seen a camera before, right?

All that, plus the getup and silly gun holster makes me think it's a distraction. I don't want to get too far into possible political/ideological motives, but it's crossed my mind.

Otherwise, he's just a foolish and very lucky criminal who somehow hasn't been caught. IMO, of course.

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[Auntie Cipation]

I always turn mine off !! I still have a landline for emergencies.

Nowadays there are so many apps that provide important/wanted notifications that a landline can't provide. Earthquake alerts, security camera notifications, health monitoring, etc. I expect most cell phones stay on at night, even if normal calls and texts might be suppressed.

 

[buffalogal]

Would you expect more shoeprints if the blood drops preceded Nancy's and/or the suspect's feet? I'm trying to figure out how they'd be able to so deftly dance around the drops in the dark.

I could imagine criminal carrying her out of the door over his shoulder face down, feet first so he's in front of the blood and not going to step in it unless he backs up.

 

[Hans Olo]

Most people have their phones "on" while sleeping.
I have never turned mine "off" during the night while asleep.
Has anyone here done that? Ever?

Yes. Many, many people.

 

[SaraSmile]

In the image without the backpack, and in the video, the subject is wearing black what appears to be nitrile gloves.

Gardeners commonly wear nitrile-coated gloves because they offer a superior balance of protection, dexterity, and grip.

And he is a Master Gardener, Lantana expert!

 

[LakeRat55]

Not sure what kind of garage door Nancy has, but if it has one of those emergency latches (often a rope and toggle), it could be opened and closed without the motor. And that might not trigger an open/close event. I'm unsure how electronic garage doors work these days. I had no idea they tracked times!

Legacy garage doors do not track open/close events at all. For some years now, you can buy a 'smart' attachment for about $25 that works through an app on your smart phone, allowing you to open and close your garage door from anywhere in the world with internet access. These apps do track each opening and closing event with a time stamp and every event sends an alert to your smart phone. They have a separate magnetic switch to sense when the door is physically closed, so even if the emergency disconnect is used and the door opened manually, the event would still be logged. However, many new garage door openers come 'smart' with internet connectivity built in. Probably brand dependent, but these most likely would not alert to manual opening and closings. Absolutely no idea what opener NG has.

 

[buffalogal]

Most people have their phones "on" while sleeping.
I have never turned mine "off" during the night while asleep.
Has anyone here done that? Ever?

(raises hand sheepishly) Me, every night.

 

[cait2007]

What does this mean, do you all think?

The FBI is still checking into tips, but they don’t have any certain leads. Considering it’s an active investigation, keeping AG’s car (she gave permission IMO) and releasing the house, but first double checking with prosecutors to make sure nothing is missed first. They’re thinking ahead on what a defense attorney would use if they eventually find the perp/s. It’s a liability holding on to the house, if they’ve thoroughly investigated it, especially with all the media around. They probably want that to all die down now.