AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[yurintroubl]

Legacy garage doors do not track open/close events at all. For some years now, you can buy a 'smart' attachment for about $25 that works through an app on your smart phone, allowing you to open and close your garage door from anywhere in the world with internet access. These apps do track each opening and closing event with a time stamp and every event sends an alert to your smart phone. They have a separate magnetic switch to sense when the door is physically closed, so even if the emergency disconnect is used and the door opened manually, the event would still be logged. However, many new garage door openers come 'smart' with internet connectivity built in. Probably brand dependent, but these most likely would not alert to manual opening and closings. Absolutely no idea what opener NG has.

This got me thinking.... Is it known by what method the garage door is opened/closed and logged? I imagine that when NG is dropped off at 9:47pm - The garage door is opened via phone app and not with a push-button owner carried on her person. So how is the garage door closed? One would think via a push-button on a wall within the garage, yes? Because once inside - closing it with the app would be kinda odd, yes? Or am I crazy? Wonder if there is any video taken from outside the garage showing if there is even a keypad for opening the garage door...

 

[Rick7788]

One thing I have a hard time getting past is the apparent absence of any video of a vehicle driving to or from NG’s house that night. It’s not like we’re hearing that they exist but are too grainy, or hearing neighbors say “Yeah my camera picked up headlights moving but that’s it.” It’s just…nothing.

That community is actually pretty densely populated as far as affluent suburban developments go. The vegetation is thin sparse desert species like creosote bush, ocotillo, and cactus. To get in or out from NG’s house to a main artery, a vehicle would have to drive past a lot of houses. By now, everyone in the entire Foothills development with street-facing cameras has likely checked their footage and submitted what they had, if anything. Some people do set their cameras to 24/7 instead of just motion detection. No one picked up a vehicle’s headlights?

And we’re only looking at a timeframe of maybe two hours in the middle of the night when there wouldn’t be a lot of traffic noise from other cars on the road.

Even if the perp was somehow able to elude any cameras within the Catalina Foothills, there are the better lit arteries with businesses that surround it. The perp would have had to driven on E. Skyline, or N. Campbell, or E. River, or N. 1st for at least some amount of time. And then possibly to a freeway entrance with traffic cams.

So why hasn’t LE been able to release any stills or videos of a “vehicle of interest” taken within 2-3 miles of NG’s house with some grainy outline of a shape or a headlamp pattern a member of the public might recognize? Am I wrong in thinking they should have something, even if it has a 50% chance of being unrelated?

Amazing isn't it?

I know we've been told all the reasons for it.

But it still flabbergasts me that with today's technology and a neighborhood of Million dollar homes.....NOTHING was seen?

More troubling is some of the bigger arteries leaving the neighborhood have no functional cameras? That is idiotic IMO and has to change. No excuse for that. A criminals delight to be able to drive thru a neighborhood like that and know there is no chance at detection. This case would be solved by now if it weren't for that major blind spot. JMO.

 

[LRinCA]

One thing I have a hard time getting past is the apparent absence of any video of a vehicle driving to or from NG’s house that night. It’s not like we’re hearing that they exist but are too grainy, or hearing neighbors say “Yeah my camera picked up headlights moving but that’s it.” It’s just…nothing.

That community is actually pretty densely populated as far as affluent suburban developments go. The vegetation is thin sparse desert species like creosote bush, ocotillo, and cactus. To get in or out from NG’s house to a main artery, a vehicle would have to drive past a lot of houses. By now, everyone in the entire Foothills development with street-facing cameras has likely checked their footage and submitted what they had, if anything. Some people do set their cameras to 24/7 instead of just motion detection. No one picked up a vehicle’s headlights?

And we’re only looking at a timeframe of maybe two hours in the middle of the night when there wouldn’t be a lot of traffic noise from other cars on the road.

Even if the perp was somehow able to elude any cameras within the Catalina Foothills, there are the better lit arteries with businesses that surround it. The perp would have had to driven on E. Skyline, or N. Campbell, or E. River, or N. 1st for at least some amount of time. And then possibly to a freeway entrance with traffic cams.

So why hasn’t LE been able to release any stills or videos of a “vehicle of interest” taken within 2-3 miles of NG’s house with some grainy outline of a shape or a headlamp pattern a member of the public might recognize? Am I wrong in thinking they should have something, even if it has a 50% chance of being unrelated?

We have our cameras set to basically stop filming at the curb so we won't get alerts for every passing car. We do see people walking by on the sidewalk. On occasion, a passing car will somehow be bright enough to shine enough light through our courtyard (which has a large iron decorative security gate) to set off the doorbell alarm. At one point we added some new cameras or made some kind of change that included incredible detail: "someone is carrying a box from a white car." I think that included an up-charge and we disabled that feature as this level of detail was for cars in front of houses across the street.

Of note: the layout of our property is completely different than NG's. It sits on a straight street (versus winding) and we are much closer to the street. I do wonder how those cameras in neighborhoods like hers would catch cars/trucks all the way out on the street.

 

[Friday Fan]

One thing I have a hard time getting past is the apparent absence of any video of a vehicle driving to or from NG’s house that night. It’s not like we’re hearing that they exist but are too grainy, or hearing neighbors say “Yeah my camera picked up headlights moving but that’s it.” It’s just…nothing.

That community is actually pretty densely populated as far as affluent suburban developments go. The vegetation is thin sparse desert species like creosote bush, ocotillo, and cactus. To get in or out from NG’s house to a main artery, a vehicle would have to drive past a lot of houses. By now, everyone in the entire Foothills development with street-facing cameras has likely checked their footage and submitted what they had, if anything. Some people do set their cameras to 24/7 instead of just motion detection. No one picked up a vehicle’s headlights?

And we’re only looking at a timeframe of maybe two hours in the middle of the night when there wouldn’t be a lot of traffic noise from other cars on the road.

Even if the perp was somehow able to elude any cameras within the Catalina Foothills, there are the better lit arteries with businesses that surround it. The perp would have had to driven on E. Skyline, or N. Campbell, or E. River, or N. 1st for at least some amount of time. And then possibly to a freeway entrance with traffic cams.

So why hasn’t LE been able to release any stills or videos of a “vehicle of interest” taken within 2-3 miles of NG’s house with some grainy outline of a shape or a headlamp pattern a member of the public might recognize? Am I wrong in thinking they should have something, even if it has a 50% chance of being unrelated?

No traffic cams in Tucson.

Private business cams, but those don't focus on traffic, they focus on their business.

Someone at a nearby Circle K called in a tip about vehicle they had on film, but that's all I've heard.

We had a situation in San Antonio, where Lina Sardar Khil was abducted around 5 pm. She lived in an apartment on a busy street with storage units next door, numerous businesses. Nada, zilch, cameras all faced the business. No traffic cams here either.

Once you get in busier areas, you get all kinds of traffic....

Keep in mind, many traffic cams are used for computerized red light control and do not record!!!! They are used for monitoring the number of vehicles at an intersection. The light then adjusts to accommodate the number of vehicles.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

yeah. and/or a friend or family member of a construction worker, physical therapist, or some other hired professional who had been in the house.

more generally, someone 2 degrees of separation from NG. the friend/neighbor/professional innocently mentions to someone that they'd been in a house with this old lady who lives by herself, maybe mentions rich and famous daughter or something valuable she has. maybe even observes that she's pretty vulnerable. the person who hears this smells an opportunity for... something? the something depends on your theory of the crime.

I'm certain she entered a car (under her own power or not). if she wasn't killed and dumped in the wilderness, the perp probably lives in a home with a garage or at least has access to one. I don't see someone removing a body or kidnapping victim from their car in their own carport or apartment parking lot.

Agree that the perp is someone within 2 degrees of separation from NG and who likely lived in the general area. The main exception to the perp being someone who knew NG or knew of NG is the possibility that this crime was committed by a stalker obsessed with SG.

Unless this was meant to be a kidnapping and/or NG was taken to Mexico, NG may not have been alive when she left her house and the perpetrator(s) dumped her body as soon as they thought that they could do so safely.

JMOO

 

[Napoli]

I'm torn between thinking all of these latest developments suggest closure is coming or it's just a more practical maneuver.

I think it's a practical move. This frenzy cannot be sustained. They have had massive coverage in the media, both LE and family. The videos have been made available. The DNA has been collected with possibly other samples in the pipeline. Coverage for certainly 2-3 weeks was 24/7 on Fox and then slowly started to be a teaser, instead. Rewards have been offered, videos seen (if they had more of the perp, we would see them),FBI agents and others still have to tend to other cases as they develop. So, some will be reassigned. Work will continue behind the scenes and we will be informed on a need to know basis. BOLO will be broadcast if they have some huge lead like a certain car with a partial plate number or a new glimpse of the perp.
I still maintain that there was never a huge outcry for batten down the hatches, armed and dangerous man on the loose. They have an idea this was absolutely targeted. JMO

SG may be planning a return to TV. This pause in wall to wall coverage could actually help her settle back into life or at least give her some semblance of a respite. MOO

 

[yurintroubl]

I also have wondered this from the beginning. Why no video of a vehicle? I’m thinking that the perpetrator may have used an ATV or Side-by-Side and taken her through the desert, not on the streets.

Somebody would've heard that and recognized the sound as it likely would've been considered a "nuisance noise" at that hour. Also - There would be very obvious tracks left by that no matter the soil conditions. Keep in mind blood droplet trail ends at the driveway - So they were headed out around front (to begin with anyways).

 

[SaraSmile]

I think this is more common than many people realise. I am retired too.
I also go out for local walks without my phone. I don't carry it around the house with me.

I’m the same! I still think of the phone as a device to text or call people, “when I want to”. If I’m at lunch with friends, it stays in my purse, I’m retired. If I get a message, I text back or call back in an hour or so, which I think is reasonable. I know some people respond to every alert, that’s good for them.

JMO

 

[Old Jim]

I also have wondered this from the beginning. Why no video of a vehicle? I’m thinking that the perpetrator may have used an ATV or Side-by-Side and taken her through the desert, not on the streets.

I also have wondered if a side-by-side or UTV could have been used. These vehicles can carry at least one passenger besides the driver, and some can carry three pasengers besides the driver. Most side-by-sides and UTV's are very noisy with air-cooled gasoline engines that would likely have been heard in Nancy's quiet neighborhood at night. But Polaris makes a UTV that is electric-poowered, making it extremely silent. This would have allowed travel anywhere in the desert or mountains around Tucson.

 

[LRinCA]

My take on that is a criminal's MO doesn't typically change so dramatically in just a few short months, if at all. These were daylight heists with fake Amazon uniforms and pepper spray. Not pitch black nights, ski masks, and violent kidnappings. I doubt anyone in that little clique of miscreants had the kind of advanced criminal mind (and psychopathology) to conceive of and execute what lantana man did.

JMO.

I have so many takes on the NG situation, but I went back and watched the home burglary video again (homeowner describing what happened). It seemed obvious that this "little clique of miscreants" (I love that, btw) were there to case out the property to see if anyone was home. They seemingly became confident enough to go for their entry and pepper sprayed the dog in the process, perhaps not anticipated his/her presence of maybe they brought the pepper spray intentionally in this instance because they had heard a dog barking.

If I apply any of this to NG's home I think about this: because of NG's hearing disability is it possible that a cadre of miscreants were under the impression that no one was home at this residence and felt emboldened to enter. I won't say it's the same band of miscreants, but let's say they use the same technique. They go in, but in this case, there's a human - not a dog. Could they have pepper sprayed NG and perhaps she fell, hit her head - or something - started bleeding, perhaps even had a heart attack/event. They panic and realize they've murdered someone or perhaps she's been able to tear one of their masks off and they decide to take her with them. All this depends on whether anything was missing from the home and I don't believe we know anything about missing valuables.

All of this is MOO/JMO and it is in direct conflict with my overarching personal theory of this being an act of intense revenge/retaliation against SG.

That's the thing with this - it could go in so many different directions. I just hope and pray some day the family will have the peace of NG being found. They will never have peace, IMO, but they could have a degree of peace if she is found. Obviously, praying for her to be alive first and foremost.

ETA: if they had heard a dog barking and came in regardless, I would think it shows planning on their part and a definite degree of brazenness.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Agreed, I think most people would call 911 immediately if they saw lantana man outside the front door. A single woman, would not open the door, for sure.
Example, Amazon delivers at all hours, most people just get the package in the am. Why go to the door at night? Most people believe night time is private time.
I also agree, she probably did not hear anything ( hearing aids out, sleeping), if camera alerted on her phone, she did not hear or respond to it.
It makes the most sense intruders came in the back, surprised her in bed. Most logical way. JMO

If DH and/or I heard someone on our front porch - or on the deck in back - in the wee hours, we would definitely not open the door and would call 911 if the person/s lingered at either location for more than a few seconds. The house is locked up when we retire for the night: The only window that might be left open (weather permitting) would be our bedroom window with a screen and wooden dowel at the base of the sliding window. I'm a light sleeper and tend to wake immediately upon hearing even distant sounds during the night.

 

[LRinCA]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027121986372342143

 

[FaviousM]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027121986372342143

I don't immediately think Range Rover when I see that car, so I guess that's something. Wish we got the video rather than a GIF though

Edit: Longer video showing multiple vehicles over hours in the article Ring video shows vehicles on outskirts of Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood morning of abduction | Fox News Video

 

[Rick7788]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027121986372342143

Could be HUGE!
2:36 am
How does this align with last known movement at NG's? Thought that was at 2:28?
So an 8 minute gap?

 

[Bluewing3102]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027121986372342143

dbm

 

[LakeRat55]

This got me thinking.... Is it known by what method the garage door is opened/closed and logged? I imagine that when NG is dropped off at 9:47pm - The garage door is opened via phone app and not with a push-button owner carried on her person. So how is the garage door closed? One would think via a push-button on a wall within the garage, yes? Because once inside - closing it with the app would be kinda odd, yes? Or am I crazy? Wonder if there is any video taken from outside the garage showing if there is even a keypad for opening the garage door...

I can only speak to my specific opener....it logs every physical opening and closing, no matter by what means, but does not log what initiated the action (remote, button, app, etc).

 

[Old Jim]

I feel that he or they had to have known she was going to be there that evening. For them to attempt this and she wasn’t home would have wrecked their chances of doing it again and being successful, NG would have increased security and safety measures as she would be aware her home had been broken into (assuming the footage is of the initial break in)
Not knowing anything about NG’s routine, it’s hard to say if she was a regular as clockwork person, so if not the case, it would leave someone who had intelligence about her activity that evening, or someone was watching her that night.
It just seems odd that they knew she was there and if she wasn’t, they had possibly blown their chances of pulling this off.
Just some thoughts, hope it makes sense.

Your observation is well taken. The accompanying photo shows what appears to be a tree house on Nancy Guthrie’s property in back of her house. It provides an excellent view of Nancy Guthrie’s rear patio and the door used by the kidnappers to get into the house. Could this tree house have been used by the kidnappers to surveil Nancy’s house prior to the kidnapping and to make sure that she was home? Has this tree house been investigated by the sheriff’s office and the FBI for possible evidence from the kidnappers, like blood, DNA, etc?

 

[Data Sleuth]

In the image without the backpack, and in the video, the subject is wearing black what appears to be nitrile gloves.

Gardeners commonly wear nitrile-coated gloves because they offer a superior balance of protection, dexterity, and grip.

The topic of black gloves has been discussed over and over, with many possibilities. Suggest that those previous posts be reviewed to prevent redundancy. I’m not trying to be dismissive, just saving scrolling time for others since this is a repetitive topic of discussion.

 

[ab01]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027121986372342143

That looks clear enough to me
that LE should have been able to identify with some certainty a make and model if they broke it down frame by frame etc. moo

 

[Bluewing3102]

Could be HUGE!
2:36 am
How does this align with last known movement at NG's? Thought that was at 2:28?
So an 8 minute gap?

Pacemaker didn't synchronize at 2:28. If the pacemaker only tries to connect every 3-4 minutes this gives a plus/minus 3-4 minute window. She could've been out of the house at 2:24AM

JMO