NC NC - Abby Patterson, 20, Lumberton, 5 Sept 2017

[cujenn81]

What is "Folk territory"? I don't know that term -- Thanks, and

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maybe they mean folk territory as in folk nation territory? folk nation is a term that encompasses a group of street gangs that are loosely affiliated with the crips. If she was last seen in a neighborhood that is locally known as "folk territory", then I can only assume it's a hotbed of criminal and drug activity. That doesn't sound good. [emoji30]

ETA: I now see the OP has already answered this. My bad.

 

[borndem]

Ahh -- now I see. Thanks.

Ummm, that certainly sounds scary. And dangerous. Not good.

 

[borndem]

http://www.independenttribune.com/n...cle_6eb5e8a0-caf3-11e7-aa1c-bb28b3ade256.html

<shiver> Thanks for the info. In an early post here, a sleuther said this was not a very good part of town. Whew, I'll say. Worrisome for sure. Will we ever see her again? Using one of our all-too-common phrases: This doesn't look good.

 

[Beth11311]

I found it rather frustrating that a poster became upset and denied the fact that she had a past with drugs. On her FB AP mentions being clean etc, so we know that she did at one time struggle with addiction. I don’t think that to admit that is “not victim friendly” in the least and to be able to find someone or understand a case, all info needs to be available. As someone who is sober, I don’t see it as bad mouthing a person when you say that they had a past history of drug use. While I understand wanting to protect her or not “besmirch” her name, I don’t understand denying it when finding her is at stake. And I think in this case it’s terribly important as she went missing in an area known for drugs. Sadly I think it’s highly probable that she either relapsed and OD’d, or more unlikely relapsed and just hasnt wanted to be found...it’s been too long for her to not reach out to someone, unless she is being physically restrained from doing so. I know that the occasions of girls being kidnapped and sold/forced into sex trafficking is considered by some to be more of an “American myth” than a reality, but do we know any stats about that in the area? MOO.


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[borndem]

maybe they mean folk territory as in folk nation territory? folk nation is a term that encompasses a group of street gangs that are loosely affiliated with the crips. If she was last seen in a neighborhood that is locally known as "folk territory", then I can only assume it's a hotbed of criminal and drug activity. That doesn't sound good. [emoji30]

ETA: I now see the OP has already answered this. My bad.

No apologies necessary!

Thanks -- I've learned something new with your info -- And I agree, it doesn't sound good. Where is she?

I feel sure her poor mother probably hasn't had a good night's sleep since the first day of her disappearance. Just awful.

 

[borndem]

I found it rather frustrating that a poster became upset and denied the fact that she had a past with drugs. On her FB AP mentions being clean etc, so we know that she did at one time struggle with addiction. I don’t think that to admit that is “not victim friendly” in the least and to be able to find someone or understand a case, all info needs to be available. As someone who is sober, I don’t see it as bad mouthing a person when you say that they had a past history of drug use. While I understand wanting to protect her or not “besmirch” her name, I don’t understand denying it when finding her is at stake. And I think in this case it’s terribly important as she went missing in an area known for drugs. Sadly I think it’s highly probable that she either relapsed and OD’d, or more unlikely relapsed and just hasnt wanted to be found...it’s been too long for her to not reach out to someone, unless she is being physically restrained from doing so. I know that the occasions of girls being kidnapped and sold/forced into sex trafficking is considered by some to be more of an “American myth” than a reality, but do we know any stats about that in the area? MOO.


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Good post. I feel sure that LE is all too familiar with that area -- and I'm hoping that by knowing that, that they may have some ideas of where to look, whom to question, and I'm hoping that they can develop more leads... It's been a long time for her not to get in touch with someone. Worrisome, very.

 

[jrenee]

What is "Folk territory"? I don't know that term -- Thanks, and

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I think Folk is the name of the gang who claims that area as its territory. Does anyone know what other gangs operate in that area or if she had any personal connection to anyone in that (or any other gang)?


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[Vail]

So glad to see movement on this case! Praying they find Abby soon.

Can anyone give me insight into why the FBI suddenly becomes involved in cases like this? New evidence? Local LE incompetence?


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In a case like this, it is likely one or more of the following:

1. Organized crime-related homicide
2. Trafficking/cross-border abduction
3. Connection to other cases/suspected serial killing

 

[cujenn81]

I found it rather frustrating that a poster became upset and denied the fact that she had a past with drugs. On her FB AP mentions being clean etc, so we know that she did at one time struggle with addiction. I don’t think that to admit that is “not victim friendly” in the least and to be able to find someone or understand a case, all info needs to be available. As someone who is sober, I don’t see it as bad mouthing a person when you say that they had a past history of drug use. While I understand wanting to protect her or not “besmirch” her name, I don’t understand denying it when finding her is at stake. And I think in this case it’s terribly important as she went missing in an area known for drugs. Sadly I think it’s highly probable that she either relapsed and OD’d, or more unlikely relapsed and just hasnt wanted to be found...it’s been too long for her to not reach out to someone, unless she is being physically restrained from doing so. I know that the occasions of girls being kidnapped and sold/forced into sex trafficking is considered by some to be more of an “American myth” than a reality, but do we know any stats about that in the area? MOO.


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I completely agree with you. If someone claims to know the victim and adamantly denies any prior drug use, they truly reduce her chances of being found.


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[Grouchymom]

Another drug related missing person in Lumberton, NC presumed dead.
https://bustednewspaper.com/missing-man-believed-murdered/

ROBESON COUTY &#8211; Billy Gene Hammonds is a missing person, but family members believe he was murdered by his drug dealer.Nicknamed Bene, Billy Gene was last seen Nov. 26, 2016. He was 36 at the time of his disappearance.
He told family he&#8217;d be right back after visiting his mother on Pinwheel Circle in Lumberton. He never made it there and hasn&#8217;t been seen since. He wasn&#8217;t reported missing until two weeks later.

 

[Vail]

Another drug related missing person in Lumberton, NC presumed dead.
https://bustednewspaper.com/missing-man-believed-murdered/

Sounds like they have a real problem down there. I hope they get all the help they need to get it under control.

 

[borndem]

Sounds like they have a real problem down there. I hope they get all the help they need to get it under control.

I am very familiar with Robeson County, being born & raised in Lumberton (county seat, biggest town, pop. ~ 25,000.) When I was a child, the downtown area was very busy with good stores, 2 theaters, nice restaurants, a library, a nice hotel, all of the mainstream churches, good city schools, and a good hospital which served the whole county. Several factories (big employers) were there, too. A nice place for families. The other towns in the county were even smaller with less to offer -- the biggest businesses were small farms. I left to go to NCSU here in Raleigh & only went back home to visit, etc. Many years have passed & L'ton lost its factories and downtown started to lapse into small cheap stores -- the same story many cities & towns in our country have experienced. There are few good jobs there for high school graduates, or for those who didn't graduate HS.

Robeson Co. is 99th out of 100 in per capita income is $15,532. Its median household income is $29,667. These stats also reflect many areas of the country.

So what does a 17 -- 22 y/o do to make money? Drugs are very profitable. Sad but well-known story.

 

[JLD333]

I am very familiar with Robeson County, being born & raised in Lumberton (county seat, biggest town, pop. ~ 25,000.) When I was a child, the downtown area was very busy with good stores, 2 theaters, nice restaurants, a library, a nice hotel, all of the mainstream churches, good city schools, and a good hospital which served the whole county. Several factories (big employers) were there, too. A nice place for families. The other towns in the county were even smaller with less to offer -- the biggest businesses were small farms. I left to go to NCSU here in Raleigh & only went back home to visit, etc. Many years have passed & L'ton lost its factories and downtown started to lapse into small cheap stores -- the same story many cities & towns in our country have experienced. There are few good jobs there for high school graduates, or for those who didn't graduate HS.

Robeson Co. is 99th out of 100 in per capita income is $15,532. Its median household income is $29,667. These stats also reflect many areas of the country.

So what does a 17 -- 22 y/o do to make money? Drugs are very profitable. Sad but well-known story.

I'm a Raleigh native, borndem. Miss it so much! Thankfully my parents still live there so I visit often.

You are so right about Robeson County. I worked on a political campaign in NC and did a lot of work with folks from Robeson County. There are a few "haves" who also seem to hold all the power, and there are many, many more "have-nots." The Lumbee tribal council holds a lot of power, but as of 4-5 years ago, they were singularly focused on getting federal recognition so they could open a casino on the reservation. Sadly, I think a casino will only make matters worse.

I live in Tennessee now, in one of the poorest counties in the state, and you see the same sort of rampant drug problems here. It's really tragic.


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[borndem]

Kindred spirits, JLD333 -- and there are many, many more who could tell the same stories. SMH. Yes, some "have" and many "have nots," and it's not gonna get better any time soon, IMO.

Interesting comments about the Tribal Council -- I only know what little I have seen & read in MSM about their power now. They had very little, AFAIK, before I left.

I do think that the Folk territory where Abby may have been seen is very, very troubling. I wonder if she already knew about that area of town.
Let's hope she is found safe, and the sooner, the better. I worry about both Abby and her poor mother who must be a wreck by now. And I would like to see more news about what's happening with whatever investigation is going on in her case.

 

[borndem]

Kindred spirits, JLD333 -- and there are many, many more who could tell the same stories. SMH. Yes, some "have" and many "have nots," and it's not gonna get better any time soon, IMO.

I do think that the Folk territory where Abby may have been is very, very troubling. I wonder if she already knew about that area of town.
Let's hope she is found safe, and the sooner, the better. I worry about both Abby and her poor mother who must be a wreck by now.

 

[cujenn81]

I am very familiar with Robeson County, being born & raised in Lumberton (county seat, biggest town, pop. ~ 25,000.) When I was a child, the downtown area was very busy with good stores, 2 theaters, nice restaurants, a library, a nice hotel, all of the mainstream churches, good city schools, and a good hospital which served the whole county. Several factories (big employers) were there, too. A nice place for families. The other towns in the county were even smaller with less to offer -- the biggest businesses were small farms. I left to go to NCSU here in Raleigh & only went back home to visit, etc. Many years have passed & L'ton lost its factories and downtown started to lapse into small cheap stores -- the same story many cities & towns in our country have experienced. There are few good jobs there for high school graduates, or for those who didn't graduate HS.

Robeson Co. is 99th out of 100 in per capita income is $15,532. Its median household income is $29,667. These stats also reflect many areas of the country.

So what does a 17 -- 22 y/o do to make money? Drugs are very profitable. Sad but well-known story.

I grew up in Dillon SC and even waited tables, briefly, at the Western Sizzlin in Lumberton when I was about 20. The same sitatuation is true in Dillon, as well. It's a sad pill to swallow, and I'm glad I left when I did. (...not that Myrtle Beach is much better!)


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[Kooplakylie]

I hope the FBI is able to make progress and find Abby quickly. As a local, I have been uneasy since the three women were found earlier this year. This area has lots of missing people and in 2009, Lisa Hardin and Michelle Driggers were found dead very close together. I can't help but wonder if they are all connected. I pray for Abby's safe return.

 

[Grouchymom]

I hope the FBI is able to make progress and find Abby quickly. As a local, I have been uneasy since the three women were found earlier this year. This area has lots of missing people and in 2009, Lisa Hardin and Michelle Driggers were found dead very close together. I can't help but wonder if they are all connected. I pray for Abby's safe return.

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[bsarlo]

http://www.wbtv.com/story/36568628/...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Couple of hours out the way of Lumberton.
CA death investigation is underway in west Charlotte after a woman's body was found under a bridge Wednesday morning.

Did MSM ever report the identity of this body?

 

[Force Ten]

Did MSM ever report the identity of this body?

The story reads at the end that the victims name was not released so maybe they know who it is.


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