NC NC - Asha Degree, 9, Shelby, 14 Feb 2000 #2

[lebvidox]

Also , I cannot turn this missing little kids case into one that compares to a rape of a grown woman in a park. Her CASE HAS MORE TO DO WITH ADULT CHOICES.
Police can assume whatever they would like , it is kind of why we have detectives.
If the police are looking at Asha's case as if she was a grown woman instead as an at risk youth, that is pretty sick.

This hypo that I brought forward was not even close to Asha because here, of course, we don't have a body. It was not about the choices of a victim, it was more about the evidence that could be collected, stored, analyzed, and used to build a case for a probable cause search warrant.

Let's also not forget that Asha's case is a cold one. No way to rule out possible suspects like confirming alibis and such like something that just happened over the weekend.

 

[Soulmagent]

This hypo that I brought forward was not even close to Asha because here, of course, we don't have a body. It was not about the choices of a victim, it was more about the evidence that could be collected, stored, analyzed, and used to build a case for a probable cause search warrant.

Let's also not forget that Asha's case is a cold one. No way to rule out possible suspects like confirming alibis and such like something that just happened over the weekend.

Just remember she was a 9 year old child.
Hypo's that include grown woman raped in parks are not comparable to Asha's case . IMO

 

[lebvidox]

Just remember she was a 9 year old child.
Hypo's that include grown woman raped in parks are not comparable to Asha's case . IMO

Did you really believe I was comparing both cases literally? It was a hypo regarding how a DNA sample found in a victim's body wouldn't be enough to make sense of things, let alone a DNA sample in a piece of clothe, stored inside a book bag that had other unidentified items and that was wrapped in two trash bags over one year later the victim went missing would NOT be enough reason for this girl and/or her parents to be upgraded into suspect status or for a solid probable cause search warrant to be submitted.

 

[Soulmagent]

Did you really believe I was comparing both cases literally? let alone a DNA sample in a piece of clothe, stored inside a book bag that had other unidentified items and that was wrapped in two trash bags over one year later the victim went missing would NOT be enough reason for this girl and/or her parents to be upgraded into suspect status or for a solid probable cause search warrant to be submitted.

I just do not think you hear yourself right now. Politely this is not anything other than a conversation.

Listen to you ...''It was a hypo regarding how a DNA sample found in a victim's body wouldn't be enough to make sense of things,''

She was 9.
I agree in adult cases it can be an issue.
but just no.
If they found her body and DNA other than hers in , her body , thats a clear conviction.
We are not about to say she had an active sex life so your hypo does not work in this case from any looky lou.

 

[lebvidox]

I just do not think you hear yourself right now.

Listen to you ...''It was a hypo regarding how a DNA sample found in a victim's body wouldn't be enough to make sense of things,''

She was 9.
I agree in adult cases it can be an issue.
but just no.
If they found her body and DNA other than hers in , her body , thats a clear conviction.
We are not about to say she had an active sex life so your hypo does not work in this case from any looky lou.

I'm really not following you...

Based on my 'hypo', you've said: "One hair in the victims shirt , could have came for the local laundry mat , or if her cousin come over and used her dyer."

This would be a case where: a victim's body was found, they would know what the victim was wearing, they would be able to examine for other transfers etc .

My example was never about Asha's body being found hours after she was reported missing. Was about the difficulties of using a hair strand of 13 y.o. girl found in a piece of clothe inside her book bag one year later to be placed into context.

Asha's body will never be found with someone else's DNA. That was 25 years ago. At this point, we're down to the trash bag, the book bag, and whatever was stored inside the book bag.

I'm not talking about a hypo of Asha herself being found 25 years ago.

 

[Soulmagent]

I'm really not following you...

Based on my 'hypo', you've said: "One hair in the victims shirt , could have came for the local laundry mat , or if her cousin come over and used her dyer."

This would be a case where: a victim's body was found, they would know what the victim was wearing, they would be able to examine for other transfers etc .

My example was never about Asha's body being found hours after she was reported missing. Was about the difficulties of using a hair strand of 13 y.o. girl found in a piece of clothe inside her book bag one year later to be placed into context.

Asha's body will never be found with someone else's DNA. That was 25 years ago. At this point, we're down to the trash bag, the book bag, and whatever was stored inside the book bag.

I'm not talking about a hypo of Asha herself being found 25 years ago.

I guess I just do not understand why you made the comparisons if nothing is comparable?

Also I could be in my feeling a tiny bit. Because this was a really young child.

 

[lebvidox]

I guess I just do not understand why you made the comparisons if nothing is comparable?

They are comparable. This was a discussion about the DNA samples that could have been collected from the trash bag, the book bag, the items inside the book bag, other items picked up from the area, etc. I used an extreme hypo example to point out how the Dedmon's daughter hair being tied to an undershirt inside the book bag could be seen as an innocent transfer - as any other sample.

I think you're ultimately agreeing with me here... If you agree that a hair strand in the clothes of a victim whose body was found hours after the crime (we don't need to picture a gruesome scenario, leave everything else aside) could be an innocent transfer, then there's the possibility of similar innocent transfers to have occurred in the several items stored in a book bag.

If you only get a match of this hair strand DNA 25 years later, you can't push for a search warrant, let alone build a case, against this person (or their parents, if this person was still a minor).

 

[Soulmagent]

They are comparable. This was a discussion about the DNA samples that could have been collected from the trash bag, the book bag, the items inside the book bag, other items picked up from the area, etc. I used an extreme hypo example to point out how the Dedmon's daughter hair being tied to an undershirt inside the book bag could be seen as an innocent transfer - as any other sample.

I think you're ultimately agreeing with me here... If you agree that a hair strand in the clothes of a victim whose body was found hours after the crime (we don't need to picture a gruesome scenario, leave everything else aside) could be an innocent transfer, then there's the possibility of similar innocent transfers to have occurred in the several items stored in a book bag.

If you only get a match of this hair strand DNA 25 years later, you can't push for a search warrant, let alone build a case, against this person (or their parents, if this person was still a minor).

I think in this thread there is more supporting evidence claimed ,than only that hair.
I do believe the Dedmon's involved ,so an innocent hair transfer is not something I believe happened in this case.
And her body has not been found.

 

[lebvidox]

I think in this thread there is more supporting evidence claimed ,than only that hair.
I do believe the Dedmon's involved ,so an innocent hair transfer is not something I believe happened in this case.
And her body has not been found.

So far, we have the daughter's hair, Underhill's undisclosed DNA sample, and the green car connecting both.

 

[maamager]

Here is a new document Skip Foster released a few days ago. I scanned it and I don’t think it’s anything new or different, just seems to be a FAQ.

https://www.hammerhead.agency/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/FAQ.pdf

 

[maamager]

Happy 35th birthday, Asha Degree.

 

[Thunder Falcon]

Hello, new poster here and was curious if anyone has any thoughts on the car that was pulled from Moss Lake in January of 2022? You can’t tell the color because of rust, but the make/model are pretty much identical to the green car tip that was released by the FBI in 2016. Also, this part of the lake neighbors land owned by Dedmon family members, specifically Roy Dedmons late brother, Richard. Just curious if any of ya’ll have seen the pictures and videos that are on another site (not sure if I can name it) and what you think about them. Neither law enforcement nor the news ever reported on this car being removed from Moss Lake. Anyhoo, here are a couple pics:

 

[maamager]

Hello, new poster here and was curious if anyone has any thoughts on the car that was pulled from Moss Lake in January of 2022? You can’t tell the color because of rust, but the make/model are pretty much identical to the green car tip that was released by the FBI in 2016. Also, this part of the lake neighbors land owned by Dedmon family members, specifically Roy Dedmons late brother, Richard. Just curious if any of ya’ll have seen the pictures and videos that are on another site (not sure if I can name it) and what you think about them. Neither law enforcement nor the news ever reported on this car being removed from Moss Lake. Anyhoo, here are a couple pics:

Hi Thunder Falcon! Welcome welcome.

Regarding the car... Could be a coincidence, but it's compelling imo. There has been a ton of chatter on this issue via Reddit. Reddit isn't a verified source on this website obviously, but I feel okay sharing that aspect as Skip Foster (the Dedmon's PR rep) has been posting a ton on the sub as of late. He is the family's verified media. Skip is also is kicking up about the investigation's chain of authority. It's all very, very odd. Happy to share links to anyone in DM to keep the ToS tight here, but I'm beyond curious on what users here think about the car.

 

[Toniab329]

Happy 35th birthday, Asha Degree.

Apropos of nothing, I just realized she and JonBenet Ramsey were born a day apart. JonBenet turned 35 on the 6th.

 

[Thunder Falcon]

I thought I quoted you maamager.


Skips insertion into this case has been a head scratcher for sure. He seems very unorganized and honestly comes off as an extreme grasper of straws. I’ve asked him some tough questions and he always dodges the questions or pleads ignorance. I specifically asked him about the Lake Lincoln and at first he denied knowledge, then after I pressed a tad more, he acknowledged the vehicles existence. Yesterday, he brought up corruption in local LE. There are some connections going way back that suggests corruption in LE jeopardized Asha’s case from the beginning. Odd to me that he would draw attention to that.

Thanks for responding! Hopefully some more people will add to our conversation as well!

 

[maamager]

I thought I quoted you maamager.


Skips insertion into this case has been a head scratcher for sure. He seems very unorganized and honestly comes off as an extreme grasper of straws. I’ve asked him some tough questions and he always dodges the questions or pleads ignorance. I specifically asked him about the Lake Lincoln and at first he denied knowledge, then after I pressed a tad more, he acknowledged the vehicles existence. Yesterday, he brought up corruption in local LE. There are some connections going way back that suggests corruption in LE jeopardized Asha’s case from the beginning. Odd to me that he would draw attention to that.

Thanks for responding! Hopefully some more people will add to our conversation as well!

The UX on Websleuths takes some getting used to, and you can "quote" others by hitting the reply button and starting your message - you've probably figured this out, but just wanted to share that tip.

Skip has also ignored all of my questions. You said it best: headscratcher for sure. Especially odd that Skip seems to be grasping at any reasonable doubt he can... which is interesting to me in particular especially with the Wayne Thomas situation that I believe he had some involvement. I would love any other user's thoughts on that kerfuffle as well.

As for speculating on the vehicle, see attached. A Reddit user surmised that it's possibly a 1978 Lincoln C.

 

[Thunder Falcon]

The UX on Websleuths takes some getting used to, and you can "quote" others by hitting the reply button and starting your message - you've probably figured this out, but just wanted to share that tip.

Skip has also ignored all of my questions. You said it best: headscratcher for sure. Especially odd that Skip seems to be grasping at any reasonable doubt he can... which is interesting to me in particular especially with the Wayne Thomas situation that I believe he had some involvement. I would love any other user's thoughts on that kerfuffle as well.

As for speculating on the vehicle, see attached. A Reddit user surmised that it's possibly a 1978 Lincoln C.

Figured it out, thanks!
There’s always been talk about a potential LE coverup. A few friends and I have dug pretty deep and there are inconsistencies and misinformation from the moment Asha disappeared, so Skip leaning into the coverup angle is surprising to say the least. I don’t mind talking specifics if you have any questions. There are also Dedmon and Dan Crawford connections. The Wayne Thomas situation is something I’m trying to figure out more on.

As for the car, I live in Shelby and that picture and video has been circulating locally since January of this year. I never brought it up in a public forum because I thought LE might be keeping it quiet for a reason. But now the cats out of the bag. You are correct in that it is a late 70’s Lincoln Coupe

All in all, it’s been 25 years and it’s past time for some real answers.

 

[maamager]

There’s always been talk about a potential LE coverup. A few friends and I have dug pretty deep and there are inconsistencies and misinformation from the moment Asha disappeared, so Skip leaning into the coverup angle is surprising to say the least. I don’t mind talking specifics if you have any questions. There are also Dedmon and Dan Crawford connections. The Wayne Thomas situation is something I’m trying to figure out more on.

As for the car, I live in Shelby and that picture and video has been circulating locally since January of this year. I never brought it up in a public forum because I thought LE might be keeping it quiet for a reason. But now the cats out of the bag. You are correct in that it is a late 70’s Lincoln Coupe

All in all, it’s been 25 years and it’s past time for some real answers.

Snipped slightly for brevity.
A local! Wonderful! Your perspective is super appreciated and valued here. As far as Wayne Thomas, I will write what I've dug up below for the wider group:

Over a decade ago, the man who is now the Dedmon family’s spokesperson was involved in an incident that led to the firing of the case’s lead investigator, Wayne Thomas.

Skip Foster approached Thomas claiming to know someone (I believe "Frankie") who wanted to share potential information about the case on the condition that the spokesperson be present. The three met, but Thomas quickly determined the “witness” had no actual evidentiary value. Instead, he felt they were fishing for him to reveal details beyond what was already public.

Later, this meeting—despite having no evidentiary relevance—was used as grounds to accuse Thomas of withholding suspects and information from then-Sheriff Crawford. Thomas was fired, only to be rehired after Sheriff Hamrick defeated Crawford in the next election. Thomas has said he believes he was intentionally misled about the “witness” as part of a ploy to remove him from the case. He also noted that, in the months before his termination, fellow detectives had stopped sharing case information with him.

Moreover, Skip's wife (ex wife? I can't confirm whether they're still married) was in charge of DSS and is now a Cleveland County judge.

Now, the same man who may have played a role in ousting Thomas is speaking for the main suspects in Asha’s disappearance is pushing a narrative that they had no involvement. If that’s not a glaring conflict of interest, I don’t know what is.

 

[Quill]

Hello, new poster here and was curious if anyone has any thoughts on the car that was pulled from Moss Lake in January of 2022? You can’t tell the color because of rust, but the make/model are pretty much identical to the green car tip that was released by the FBI in 2016. Also, this part of the lake neighbors land owned by Dedmon family members, specifically Roy Dedmons late brother, Richard. Just curious if any of ya’ll have seen the pictures and videos that are on another site (not sure if I can name it) and what you think about them. Neither law enforcement nor the news ever reported on this car being removed from Moss Lake. Anyhoo, here are a couple pics:

This opens a new rabbit hole, IMO. I had been really confused about the green rambler? (correct me if I'm wrong) that was confiscated from the Dedmon property because I had been picturing THIS type of green car in my head all these years. We need to know who, if anyone, in the Dedmon family owned a car like this and if it was green. What do we know about Richard? This is all just way too coincidental for me. I mean, what are the odds that a car matching the original witness descriptions of the green car turns up in a lake where Dedmon family members owned land? We could easily account for the younger girl's hair being in the car of a family member; which family member is the question?

 

[maamager]

This opens a new rabbit hole, IMO. I had been really confused about the green rambler? (correct me if I'm wrong) that was confiscated from the Dedmon property because I had been picturing THIS type of green car in my head all these years. We need to know who, if anyone, in the Dedmon family owned a car like this and if it was green. What do we know about Richard? This is all just way too coincidental for me. I mean, what are the odds that a car matching the original witness descriptions of the green car turns up in a lake where Dedmon family members owned land? We could easily account for the younger girl's hair being in the car of a family member; which family member is the question?

OH! Also worth mentioning a user dug up the property records, so all credit to them. The land is currently owned by a company called SMS Properties, LLC. Before that, the property was owned by Sandy Schenck. She was married to Roy’s brother, who passed away a few decades ago.