NC NC - Asha Degree, 9, Shelby, 14 Feb 2000 #2

  • #801
This opens a new rabbit hole, IMO. I had been really confused about the green rambler? (correct me if I'm wrong) that was confiscated from the Dedmon property because I had been picturing THIS type of green car in my head all these years. We need to know who, if anyone, in the Dedmon family owned a car like this and if it was green. What do we know about Richard? This is all just way too coincidental for me. I mean, what are the odds that a car matching the original witness descriptions of the green car turns up in a lake where Dedmon family members owned land? We could easily account for the younger girl's hair being in the car of a family member; which family member is the question?
I’ve theorized that perhaps the Rambler was used in the disposal of the bookbag. The warrants mention a Dedmon daughter driving to and from Broughton Hospital in an unreliable vehicle. The bookbag was found on the way to Broughton Hospital. I feel like this Lake Lincoln was used the night of Asha’s disappearance. There is an interesting possible connection between this vehicle being pulled from the lake in 2022 and a prison interview with Marcus Mellon that took place a year prior. The prison interview got swept under the rug, but it would be another crazy coincidence if LE finally interviewed Marcus Mellon (who claimed to have information for years) and then discovered this vehicle less than a year later. As far as I know, Marcus Mellon lived a few miles from Roy Dedmon at the time of Asha’s disappearance.

I’m glad you guys are interested in this!
 
  • #802
I’ve theorized that perhaps the Rambler was used in the disposal of the bookbag. The warrants mention a Dedmon daughter driving to and from Broughton Hospital in an unreliable vehicle. The bookbag was found on the way to Broughton Hospital. I feel like this Lake Lincoln was used the night of Asha’s disappearance. There is an interesting possible connection between this vehicle being pulled from the lake in 2022 and a prison interview with Marcus Mellon that took place a year prior. The prison interview got swept under the rug, but it would be another crazy coincidence if LE finally interviewed Marcus Mellon (who claimed to have information for years) and then discovered this vehicle less than a year later. As far as I know, Marcus Mellon lived a few miles from Roy Dedmon at the time of Asha’s disappearance.

I’m glad you guys are interested in this!
Yes, I've been interested since I first heard of the case, which I believe was an episode of Disappeared. If I remember correctly, Marcus Mellon's information was discounted due to trying to make a deal for less prison time. Am I correct about this? The timing of his interview and the finding of this car in a lake definitely deserves some new eyes on it. If he did live in the area close to the Dedmon's it makes it even more interesting and deserving of closer scrutiny. Where is Marcus Mellon now?
 
  • #803
Was the VIN number of the vehicle pulled from the lake ever traced???? Hopefully, that would show the owners of the vehicles and possibly some service records.
 
  • #804
This opens a new rabbit hole, IMO. I had been really confused about the green rambler? (correct me if I'm wrong) that was confiscated from the Dedmon property because I had been picturing THIS type of green car in my head all these years. We need to know who, if anyone, in the Dedmon family owned a car like this and if it was green. What do we know about Richard? This is all just way too coincidental for me. I mean, what are the odds that a car matching the original witness descriptions of the green car turns up in a lake where Dedmon family members owned land? We could easily account for the younger girl's hair being in the car of a family member; which family member is the question?
The Rambler was siezed from one of the Cherryville rd houses. A 90s Jaguar was seized from the rest home. At the time of the Warrants, Roy Dedmon owned 29 vehicles. I have heard rumors that people would exchange vehicles or other assets to pay for their stay at his rest home. If this is accurate, there's a long list of unknown vehicles.
 
  • #805
The Rambler was siezed from one of the Cherryville rd houses. A 90s Jaguar was seized from the rest home. At the time of the Warrants, Roy Dedmon owned 29 vehicles. I have heard rumors that people would exchange vehicles or other assets to pay for their stay at his rest home. If this is accurate, there's a long list of unknown vehicles.
Yes, it certainly does. right now, I am really interested in that vehicle they pulled out of the lake in 2022.
 
  • #806
Yes, I've been interested since I first heard of the case, which I believe was an episode of Disappeared. If I remember correctly, Marcus Mellon's information was discounted due to trying to make a deal for less prison time. Am I correct about this? The timing of his interview and the finding of this car in a lake definitely deserves some new eyes on it. If he did live in the area close to the Dedmon's it makes it even more interesting and deserving of closer scrutiny. Where is Marcus Mellon now?
Correct. His information was supposedly brushed off as being a ploy to get a better deal. He passed away.
 
  • #807
Was the VIN number of the vehicle pulled from the lake ever traced???? Hopefully, that would show the owners of the vehicles and possibly some service records.
I don’t think anyone knows, except LE. I haven’t even heard rumors of a VIN from this vehicle
 
  • #808
I don’t think anyone knows, except LE. I haven’t even heard rumors of a VIN from this vehicle
LE hasn't even acknowledged it's existence to the public. Unfortunately, Cars of that time frame would have a singular serial plate(used as vin), the owner may have removed it, or it could have fallen off in the water.
 
  • #809
Correct. His information was supposedly brushed off as being a ploy to get a better deal. He passed away.
I thought I remembered that he is gone now. I wonder if he was legally deposed, leaving a credible record of his story?
 
  • #810
I thought I remembered that he is gone now. I wonder if he was legally deposed, leaving a credible record of his story?
Is he the one that Died of Covid? I remember it being mentioned that LE went to see him in person. Hopefully, not being able to have the meeting via Zoom means they legally deposed him.
 
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They've updated the local billboards with the increased reward amount. Wondering if it's to put even more pressure on the Dedmons or if they think more people know what happened in the crucial timeframe?
 
  • #814

They've updated the local billboards with the increased reward amount. Wondering if it's to put even more pressure on the Dedmons or if they think more people know what happened in the crucial timeframe?
I hope its to put more pressure on them, It feels like a long time ago now, where we had that update. Things have clearly stalled, and they have hit a brick wall. Just hoping and praying for a good news update soon.
 
  • #815
I didn’t realize the Dedmon’s daughters are now around their 40’s, for some reason I had them younger in my head. Just goes to show how long Asha and her family have been waiting for justice. she would be 35 herself now.
Right, their ages kind shock me a little aswell, but then again Asha was was young at the time, and would be in her mid 30's by now, so it makes sense those girls who were driving around etc at the time would have been even older than her.
 
  • #816
i didn't see this posted - i had a look and also used the search feature. all apologies if i missed it

 
  • #817
Few days ago I randomly watched this movie and got terrified, as I often do with kids content from whatever era.


At first super tiny Matilda keeps walking "ten blocks distance" to the local library cause parents refuse to provide her with books.
It doesnt get anybodys attention.
Nobody cares that Matilda's parents are neglecting her so much.
Kids at school have extremely abusive headmistress who straight up tries to murder three students, tortures many more.
First time Matilda whitness this and asks her new friend how its possible and why they havent told their parents whats going on at school - and so we learn that its cause parents wouldnt believe kids anyway.
Then Matilda sneaks out of the house, kinda dodges the fact that brother notices that, and she gets out at night, in windy, rainy weather, heading to headmistress house (which is in significant distance) to recover a childhood doll that belongs to her beloved teacher.

Obviously movie plot isnt that relevant, but there is a little girl who sneaks out at night to do something very important for her, and doesnt care about terrible weather.
And that movie is kinda... yeah, Matilda has her newly discovered superpowers and she's super smart child, but the world in the story is kinda normal. No supernatural beings, no obvious distinction from "real world". Could be a good source of inspiration for a little girl who struggles with some issue, maybe not even her own, but something she knows about and possibly thinks that she has some idea how to fix it.
Matilda's parents dont care, and even though her beloved teacher seems to care, shes the one who introduces the girl to the dangerous behavior (while taking her to look at the teacher's childhood home, where her murderous aunt lives).

Maybe... possibly... almost certainly Im reading waaaay too much into it, but that provided me with at least one convincing answer to the question how 9yo girl could come up with such idea to sneak out of the house in the middle of the night and walk somewhere pretty far despite of terrible weather. Normally its not something that kid would do.
But what if kid saw such scenario in family movie? I suspect that there may be a good chance that Asha saw that movie. Or maybe something with similar plot?

I wonder if Ashas classmates, and maybe child companions from church activities were ever questioned at such weird angle. Cause upfront questions like, where she could go, do you know about some issues she could have and so on... I dont see how that could bring some relevant answers.
Good question would be like... was there something that bothered you in the days or weeks prior to the Asha's disappearance? did you learned about somehting bad happening to someone or some mysterious gossip about a house in the general area?
And I dont mean it in a way that some friend of Asha knew something and never told. I mean it in a way that they never connected these dots, cause likely they werent aware of the whole picture of "something" that only Asha learned or was told.

She took clothes, candy and child's book that wasnt hers. Borrowed book doesnt sound like something you'd run away with not planning to go back in reasonable time. That sounds like kinda... heading for a sleepover.
I assume that cops would know if Asha asked her parents to have sleepover and got denied. So that would be some super important sleepover that she was afraid to ask about but found so important it was worth for her to get in trouble later. So like she tried to join either some kid she knew or was told that she can meet at somebodys house then.
Any chance that she had a friend before who moved away and missed? Or got forbidden from seeing maybe even months prior? Or years?

Seeing that movie really really resonated with me in context of Asha. The moment I saw this nightly Matilda's escapade I saw Asha. Likely there is no connection BUT there is no shortage of kids convinced to do crazy stuff by motivational speeches to "believe in their magical powers" done to movie/book protagonists who didnt seem to have them until they proved theyre brave enough to do something crazy or jump down the roof and learn that indeed they CAN FLY, or hurt themselves by these dumb dumb dumb toxic "5 minute crafts" tutorials that left them hospitalised or even dead.

I cant even use the words here to explain what Ive experienced years ago when I bought a book. My friend had a 2yo kid, I wanted to bring some gift, was in a hurry, grabbed a book that looked nicely drawn and bought it.
Then I turned betroot red cause the little rabbits in that book had very obscene, sexual names. Not something that a kid would notice, but like next level inappropriate and possibly horrendous if a child after reading such book would start talking about the characters in presence of adults. Lots of laughs for some sick individual who translated and published it like that but come on...
It was an issue then and it is an issue now. Neither that abomination fof childs book or the "family" movie "Matilda" were made for kids, with child audience best interest: to entertain and teach something valuable. They were both disasters for adults with sick sense of humor to laugh at, without consideration of what message it can send to kids.
And its not on the level of the Beatles unable to predict that their "Helter Skelter" song may inspire a psychopath to massacre people. JMO but it was next level irresponsible and stupid to show little Matilda engaging in so many dangerous behaviors.

Am I getting crazy and paranoid? Probably, but I had adrenaline rush seeing tiny child, walking crossing the road in front of a big truck. And that truck stopped right in front of her. Great, just great presentation of supernatural skills, cause no way in real life person driving a truck would be able to notice that there is 3ft tall child in there.
I mean.. if she to the very least kept walking along with other people to make her visible. Then nevermind. But she was ALONE on that road in that moment. And thats a movie for children. Like... come on. Shouldnt making kids safe and well prepared for risks and challenges in life be like COMMON effort, not 100% their parents responsibility to predict and explain every stupid, crazy, dangerous idea and pattern of behavior thats showed to kids?
 
  • #818
I believe when talking about this aspect of Asha's disappearance, it can get super anecdotal and fuzzy because we will probably at this point never know the WHY behind her leaving that night. But speaking of Matilda adventures...I can tell you (and Asha and I were born around the same time!) that I was also a shy, fairly timid kid. But man did I love the idea of magic and adventures! My family was poor but my parents did their absolute best to try to make my childhood as magical as they kid. My mom loves using that word - magical! Kids should believe anything is possible and you should encourage their powers of make-believe. Combine that with the fact I grew up in a very Christian household (I swear I spent more time at our church than at our actual house), where I was told constantly, "You never have to fear anything because God will protect you and watch over you." I think my parents would still to this day be very shocked if they knew some of the things I did as a kid because I thought it was adventurous and magical! And in my mind, it was all okay because God would protect me! And even some things, not even out of adventurous, but I can think of a few times I went out as a kid (younger than 10) in the middle of the night, pitch black, because I thought I heard something out there or I thought I heard neighborhood kids playing. My parents never heard me.....

We may never really know what Asha was thinking but I feel like I am one of the few people (at least in online spaces) that does not think it's weird or nefarious that Asha left in the dark, in the rain, in the middle of the night....even if she was otherwise afraid or shy....I think a lot of people forget what it's like to be a kid and think you can push through and do anything and have a magical adventure....I remember so clearly....
 
  • #819
I believe when talking about this aspect of Asha's disappearance, it can get super anecdotal and fuzzy because we will probably at this point never know the WHY behind her leaving that night. But speaking of Matilda adventures...I can tell you (and Asha and I were born around the same time!) that I was also a shy, fairly timid kid. But man did I love the idea of magic and adventures! My family was poor but my parents did their absolute best to try to make my childhood as magical as they kid. My mom loves using that word - magical! Kids should believe anything is possible and you should encourage their powers of make-believe. Combine that with the fact I grew up in a very Christian household (I swear I spent more time at our church than at our actual house), where I was told constantly, "You never have to fear anything because God will protect you and watch over you." I think my parents would still to this day be very shocked if they knew some of the things I did as a kid because I thought it was adventurous and magical! And in my mind, it was all okay because God would protect me! And even some things, not even out of adventurous, but I can think of a few times I went out as a kid (younger than 10) in the middle of the night, pitch black, because I thought I heard something out there or I thought I heard neighborhood kids playing. My parents never heard me.....

We may never really know what Asha was thinking but I feel like I am one of the few people (at least in online spaces) that does not think it's weird or nefarious that Asha left in the dark, in the rain, in the middle of the night....even if she was otherwise afraid or shy....I think a lot of people forget what it's like to be a kid and think you can push through and do anything and have a magical adventure....I remember so clearly....
Thank you for this perspective, especially coming from someone the same age. You likely read the same type of books and watched the same shows/movies and all of this goes a long way to informing a potential mindset. There is a reason every generation sees life slightly different!
 

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