Identified! NC - Durham, WhtFem Pre 60, UP64095, abandoned house, Bromley Collect'n coat, Danskin shoes, Dec'19 - Evanir Rosa Roglio

[PezCandy]

I found an open group on facebook called North Carolina/Virginia Missing Person Community. These are mostly newer missings, but they do put up older posters and there have been a couple Ive seen not on Namus. Just the group in general gives the idea that this person could be from Virginia and then the more I thought maybe even Tennessee or South Carolina. Missings i have found from NC the only one Ive found that matched somewhat of a clothing description right to the blue and white shoes is a 69 yo who I dont feel would be the right size were looking for. Her height is right but the weight is off. I dont know why this one is tugging at me so much. Whoever this poor girl is, it seems she was there alone, for a long time.

I don’t have fb so what I can see in general on that site is very limited. So you guys may need to fill me in from time to time lol! What did they say about her possibly being from Virginia??
Unfortunately don’t these cases end up being put on the back burner cuz they are considered old because of condition of remains? I’ve seen many cases where that’s happened and are still unsolved after decades.
I like NamUs but I feel like things sit for a long time

 

[carbuff]

I don’t have fb so what I can see in general on that site is very limited. So you guys may need to fill me in from time to time lol! What did they say about her possibly being from Virginia??
Unfortunately don’t these cases end up being put on the back burner cuz they are considered old because of condition of remains? I’ve seen many cases where that’s happened and are still unsolved after decades.
I like NamUs but I feel like things sit for a long time

It varies from agency to agency even within the same state or region, and even within the same agency depending on personnel, budgets, and case load, as well also depends on the circumstances of the death and whether someone in the ME's office or LE takes a personal interest in the case. If there's a Cold Case unit involved, it's much more likely to be worked. Possible murder victims get more attention because of the crime aspect. Homeless people get zilch, sadly.

I'm not saying it should be this way, just that it tends to happen.

 

[PezCandy]

It varies from agency to agency even within the same state or region, and even within the same agency depending on personnel, budgets, and case load, as well also depends on the circumstances of the death and whether someone in the ME's office or LE takes a personal interest in the case. If there's a Cold Case unit involved, it's much more likely to be worked. Possible murder victims get more attention because of the crime aspect. Homeless people get zilch, sadly.

I'm not saying it should be this way, just that it tends to happen.

there should be more cold case units out there.

 

[carbuff]

there should be more cold case units out there.

Sadly, too many jurisdictions don't have the budget to keep up with current operations, let alone service cold cases

 

[ballads1]

Do you guys think she was killed at the location, or had her body dumped there postmortem?

Also, how long does it usually take for bodies/clothes to decompose? It could help give us a time frame of when she died.

 

[Jlnan]

I don’t have fb so what I can see in general on that site is very limited. So you guys may need to fill me in from time to time lol! What did they say about her possibly being from Virginia??
Unfortunately don’t these cases end up being put on the back burner cuz they are considered old because of condition of remains? I’ve seen many cases where that’s happened and are still unsolved after decades.
I like NamUs but I feel like things sit for a long time

Just that the group is NC and VA as a combo made me think that maybe she could be from a surrounding state.

Do you guys think she was killed at the location, or had her body dumped there postmortem?

Also, how long does it usually take for bodies/clothes to decompose? It could help give us a time frame of when she died.

Ive recently become a stay at home mom and have found a few free hours on my hands and am new to this. So, Ive been looking up some things that will probably have me on some kind of watch list...lol...but from what I have read, 8-12 years, but thats buried in soil, I havent found any solid timeline on being left in the open although ive seen estimates that I haven quite understood because it tells a timeline of a stage but nothing as to if each stage is back to back or if there is a settle period between.

Like I said Im new to this "investigating" part, someone we knew, not as in she was a good friend, just someone we knew in passing, went missing, literally, without a trace in 2006. Walking to the store. In 2012 the mother of the missing lady started working for our accountant, and I got to know her rather well over the years. Her daughter isnt much older than me, and last year she passed away never knowing what happened to her daughter. As a mother, that in itself has bothered me since the day she passed. So with my recent bit of free time I thought I'd start poking my nose around the internet that maybe I'd come across something, anything, a mother spent 13 years looking for, she still has a father and sisters that would love to know anything, and if I cant find what Im looking for which Im not hopeful, the search has never stopped, maybe with others I can help someone else.

Its nice meeting you all

 

[sloane7777]

Body farms should have good data , I don;t have time to look up though!

 

[PezCandy]

Do you guys think she was killed at the location, or had her body dumped there postmortem?

Also, how long does it usually take for bodies/clothes to decompose? It could help give us a time frame of when she died.

For me it’s hard to say if I thought she was killed on location based on this:
1) what does the inside of the house and room/closet look like?
2) how did staff next door not notice anything for so long as it was on their property?
3) was there any indication on bones or clothing that suggest foul play?

Your other question about decomp, there’s a lot of environmental factors that can speed up decay or slow it down, like how she died or if in soil/water/etc, that’s why I want to know what the inside of that little house looks like. It helps paint a bigger picture on that process. We don’t know too much at this point unfortunately but I’m hoping there will be updates on NamUs that we can use.
And as @sloane7777 had mentioned body farms have good data, but to be honest I don’t have the stomach to read into that again, it gets me queasy but does have some really good info.

 

[PezCandy]

Just that the group is NC and VA as a combo made me think that maybe she could be from a surrounding state.

Ive recently become a stay at home mom and have found a few free hours on my hands and am new to this. So, Ive been looking up some things that will probably have me on some kind of watch list...lol...but from what I have read, 8-12 years, but thats buried in soil, I havent found any solid timeline on being left in the open although ive seen estimates that I haven quite understood because it tells a timeline of a stage but nothing as to if each stage is back to back or if there is a settle period between.

Like I said Im new to this "investigating" part, someone we knew, not as in she was a good friend, just someone we knew in passing, went missing, literally, without a trace in 2006. Walking to the store. In 2012 the mother of the missing lady started working for our accountant, and I got to know her rather well over the years. Her daughter isnt much older than me, and last year she passed away never knowing what happened to her daughter. As a mother, that in itself has bothered me since the day she passed. So with my recent bit of free time I thought I'd start poking my nose around the internet that maybe I'd come across something, anything, a mother spent 13 years looking for, she still has a father and sisters that would love to know anything, and if I cant find what Im looking for which Im not hopeful, the search has never stopped, maybe with others I can help someone else.

Its nice meeting you all

It’s great meeting you!
I was thinking she’s been in that house for estimation of 10 years give or take a couple, but my mind might have changed after looking at another cold case where Doe was in a similar condition but had been deceased for months not years. But again I think it depends on COD and environmental factors. her blue bra and undies must have been destroyed by the decay but they must have found pieces of them because it’s listed in the NamUs case but not pictured. She was somewhat sheltered being in that house so I’m sure that slowed down decomp too.

 

[carbuff]

I think she was probably left there--the clothes being described as "beside the body" are mostly why I think that. I suppose she could have undressed herself for some reason but it sounds most like a murdered woman who was left there and her clothing put beside her.

Being inside a small room inside a building, where it's often drier, any decay smells might have been somewhat contained. If she was there during colder weather, that would hold down the smell as well. Plus the farm probably produces some pungent smells of its own that could overwhelm the decay. Just guessing on my part. We've had a lot of cases where one of the question is "how did nobody smell this?"

 

[Jlnan]

I was reading the reviews for the farm. The owner doesnt sound like a very nice man.

 

[ballads1]

I was reading the reviews for the farm. The owner doesnt sound like a very nice man.

Do we know if he’s a POI? Has he been interviewed?

 

[Jlnan]

Do we know if he’s a POI? Has he been interviewed?

Not that I know of. I was just trying to find more info about the farm and the reviews are mixed, but all the negative ones claim the same thing. That He is not a friendly person.

 

[PezCandy]

They don’t have anyone yet as a POI. But I did have to look up info on that farm as they own the area that the house is on, which is another reason I think that the media was being discreet about location because it’s on a business property. Ive seen the mixed reviews as well under both names that the farm goes by, apparently it was pretty popular in the 80s. They’ve been there awhile but I noticed that on the property records of the farm (I was trying to find out when they purchased that parcel of land the abandoned house sits on) that there are many people currently living at the farm (mostly staff and owners) so it made me think that maybe Jane Doe even possibly worked there at some point. Speculation!!

 

[carbuff]

They don’t have anyone yet as a POI. But I did have to look up info on that farm as they own the area that the house is on, which is another reason I think that the media was being discreet about location because it’s on a business property. Ive seen the mixed reviews as well under both names that the farm goes by, apparently it was pretty popular in the 80s. They’ve been there awhile but I noticed that on the property records of the farm (I was trying to find out when they purchased that parcel of land the abandoned house sits on) that there are many people currently living at the farm (mostly staff and owners) so it made me think that maybe Jane Doe even possibly worked there at some point. Speculation!!

That seems to me that it would be quite likely.

Farm laborers tend to be mobile and change jobs often, even when they're not actually migrants. If she didn't show up one day, it would have been noticed, but not in a "she must be missing" way, more of a "I guess she had a good time with that guy she went out with and decided not to come back here" sort of way.

Or she could be associated with one of the workers.

 

[ADKGemini]

The clothes make it seem like it wasn't that warm whenever she was killed.

 

[aThousandYearsWide]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP64095 Female, White / Caucasian
Date Body Found December 23, 2019
Location Found Durham, North Carolina

Case Information
Case Numbers
NCMEC Number--
ME/C Case NumberME19-12914/B19-5842
Demographics
Sex Female
Race / Ethnicity White / Caucasian
Estimated Age Group Adult - Pre 60
Height 5' 3"-5' 5"(63-65 inches) , Estimated
Weight Cannot Estimate
Circumstances
Type Unidentified Deceased
Date Body Found December 23, 2019
NamUs Case Created January 7, 2020
ME/C QA Reviewed--
Location Found Map
Location Durham, North Carolina 27703
County Durham County
GPS Coordinates (Not Mapped)--
Circumstances of Recovery
Girl doing a school photograph project, was going through an abandoned house and found the bones in what could have been a closet or small ante room.
Details of Recovery
Condition of Remains Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton
Physical Description
Hair ColorUnknown
Left Eye ColorUnknown
Right Eye ColorUnknown
Distinctive Physical Features
No Information Entered

Clothing and Accessories
Item
Description
Clothing
Labeled "Bromley Collection" size 20W Black, waist length coat; pair of white and light blue "Danskin Now" shoes size 8W; remnants of bra and underwear (sizes unknown); bluish "Van Heusen" stretch jeans size 16R; brown woven belt; and dark colored hood jacket "Apostrophe" sized 16-18W
Near the Body
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[Curious_in_NC]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP64095 Female, White / Caucasian
Date Body Found December 23, 2019
Location Found Durham, North Carolina
SNIP
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

The link here and in the current NAMUS file directs you to a site off Sherron Rd. but also gives a pinned location for Bevidere Ln. (this looks to be a new subdivision under construction). Both of these are W of Carpenter Pond Rd. The Carpenter Pond Rd address is also very near the Durham Co/Wake Co line and the farm itself has a Raleigh address (Raleigh is nearly all in Wake Co, but not sure who would have jurisdiction here). Googlemaps can often have mistakes. Just wondering if anyone can straighten out all this conflicting info.

 

[peace+love]

Similar Danskin Now shoes in new condition:

Danskin Now Shoes | Sneakers White Silver Aqua Sz 8w Euc | Poshmark

These shoes are DEAD ON. I was going to guess early 2000's from her clothes but if we can get a year on when these were manufactured/sold we might have a better idea of how long she was in that house.

 

[jexpar]

Melissa Ann Poitra

Recently added to Namus. This woman was last seen in 2005 in Durham. Size of clothing seems accurate based on height/weight and pictures.