Found Deceased NC - Hania Noelia Aguilar, 13, abducted and murdered, Lumberton, 5 Nov 2018 #4 *Arrest*

[MntnHiker]

It has been treated as a random abduction IMO. The FBI had to chastise the public about rumors that Hania had planned this somehow and run away. That theory does not fit with the witnesses that saw her screaming and falling on the ground (and now we know she is deceased, not hiding out somewhere ). If Hania had any online communication from the perp prior to this then I think the FBI would already have the suspect in custody. They also said this:

Sorry what I mean by random is happenstance, someone walking by who has no idea who she is and happens upon her and decides to do this vs. someone who knows of her, targeted her, and planned this ahead of time.

 

[moonlessnight]

Thank you.

It seems like he probably ditched the car in a place he was comfortable walking from. He does seem to be capable of long walks. He just ditched the car in the opposite direction from the body, but that was half assed. it was not far and almost in a straight line. so he must have walked from the car site. He must have some time on his hands to walk that far and that much, assuming he lives close to Rosewood. The area of the dump sites must be places he worked (agriculture?, automotive repair?, church?), has or had friends/family, or possibly spent time when he was younger. From the SUV dump site, you can cut back to 72 and walk back to Rosewood, which may be why the car was dumped there and not the body.

I don't have the video, but here's a map with the 3 key points marked: Google Maps

Edit to correct map locations

 

[Von Pinn]

This is my theory. I keep thinking this is a lot simpler than we all keep thinking. I think this guy had seen Hania many times. He probably had fantasies about kid napping her long before he actually did the deed. He either lives at the trailer park or has friends there. He saw the opportunity that morning and acted. If he doesn't live there then I still feel he lives near Quincey Rd or. Wire Grass Rd. He may have taken her to his house and killed her there. Whatever evidence Quantico found from the SUV will tell a lot. Also the way I took what was said in the presser yesterday about where her body was found...I felt like when they said she was found in a body of water and it wasn't easily visible...I took that to mean she may have been weighted down in the water. That's just the first thought that came to mind. Also that would delay any smell until the body floated back up. (Sorry so graphic). I think this monster did all of these acts in his comfort zone. Just my two cents and opinion and I'm probably totally wrong but I think the simplest explanation keeps coming to my mind. Stealing the SUV was just an added bonus. He may have planned originally to take her into an abandoned trailer at Rosewood or his own trailer at Rosewood. JMOO

I know that LE was asking for surveillance video for a specific date. But it would be interesting to know if he was caught on video on the days leading up to the abduction. When he might have been scoping out the scene. Making his plans.

 

[singlemom]

I have not been on much - can someone link the video with the trailer where the body was found and also where the SUV was found?
TIA

No video but Below is a re-post that shows the Location and timeline. It takes approximately 20 minutes to drive from Elizabethtown Road where Hania was abducted to Wire Grass Rd where Hania was found. It takes 6 to 8 minutes to drive from Wire Grass Rd back to where the SUV was found on Quincey Dr.

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

It makes me wonder if undocumented families are prey for predators, because they know that the family won't say much or want extensive police involvement.

This is a big belief in other true crime communities, that many modern day serial killers/rapists/molesters/etc are specifically targeting undocumented people who would possibly not have any family or friends here yet (therefore no one to know they've gone missing) or who would be much too afraid to go to LE for fear they would not be protected or believed only to endure further trauma. I believe this theory totally.

 

[Katerz]

I skipped a few posts, but this is my theory.. scatterbrained as it is. I also feel that this person is a local, and that he resides somewhere near where her body was found. He kidnaps her/steals the car, drives to the Wire Grass location where he knows there's an abandoned trailer. Hides the car. he kept her alive for some time, maybe thinking he could get money.. but by that time he was already in too deep, and there was too much attention. Which could be why police are asking people near Wire Grass to check video from that morning, and that morning only. If it wasn't until recently that the neighbors to that trailer smelled the decomp, she obviously wasn't killed right away, unless her body was frozen, right? I don't have the stomach to google how decomp works, or when things begin to smell after death.. so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. LOL

My point I'm trying to make is.. I think she was in the area of where her body was found the whole time. It obviously wasn't placed in it's final resting spot until right before she was found, so how did he get from where the SUV was abandoned back to where she was found?? A ride. Possibly from a friend? Stranger who picked him up while he was walking? Uber? But I strongly feel he's local, even more local to where she was found. I bet he's been watching the activity from near by in the comfort of his living room.


This is all JMO though.

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

In reading the information, I find it particularly disturbing that several interviews were conducted using an 8 year old child as an interpreter. That is unacceptable. A reporter interviewed the family, using the younger sister for interpreting? There are so many issues with this that I don't even know where to start...appalling.

I don't know why in this day and age, reporters are not expected to be fluent in at least one other language, if not more. Since a huge component of their job is to interview people, you'd think that would be standard. Or you know.....have SOMEONE at the station at least be able to be on standby for things like this. Sheesh.

 

[Stunned]

I can't shake the feeling that this was an unplanned, spur of the moment thing. I think this guy is a bit of a drifter and maybe a couch surfer but I do think he's familiar with the area. I think if he lived close or had friends or relations living in the park, someone would have put a name to him by now, so I don't think he lived there. But, he knows the area. He's familiar. Somehow he has ties to the area. Actually familiarity with both areas, the kidnapping site and the dump site. I am convinced he knew the area.

Why was he there? Where was he going?

He might have been on the search to find someone to kidnap/rape and came upon Hania. So in essence it may have been thought out but not destined to be Hania. He just happened upon her and it was perfect for him. She's young, pretty and alone and there's a vehicle ready to grab and disappear in. Everything he needed was there for the taking. Sigh....

We've been told Hania was screaming and putting up a fight but it didn't frighten this guy off. He took her anyway. It didn't phase him. Does he have experience? Has he done this before? He almost has a familiarity with the crime and how to do it. He didn't panic - or did he?

I'd like to know where the closest homeless shelter is located. To be wandering around at that time of the morning makes me think he might have just been turned out on the street. He sees the the girl. He sees the car, and boom, he reacts and seizes the opportunity.

I'm I'm sure we will find out, eventually, that this guy has a criminal record and he could very well be just recently released from jail. In fact, I'd place money on it.

I also think that Hania died the day he took her. I don't think he had anywhere to stash her. I'd like to know more about that trailer which was close to where Hania was found.

I'm sure the motive was sexual. It would have happened quickly and he killed once done. I'm not sure it happened in the vehicle. I think it happened at another spot, closer to where she was found. He dumped her and then drove back and dumped the car.

I think he walked away. The guy's a walker. Once he was far enough away, he called for someone to pick him up.

I also think he's moved on.

I'd be looking for a recently released criminal with a penchant for SA. This person has ties to the area, either he's lived there in the past or has friends or families local. He's either lying low or he's moved on. If he's moved on, then anyone who knows him should be questioning when he left and his behaviour.

I have confidence LE will get this guy.

The above is all MOO.

The perfect storm, sadly...

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

Also for what it's worth, I do think Hania started the car regularly. Her family probably feels guilty about it and wants to hide it, but honestly I believe this is a somewhat normal thing to do (at least in my area it was). I started the car many times for my parents before work on a schedule, so did many of my friends for their parents.

 

[pjextrom]

This could be your drifter...…….posted on Nov 02, 2018, 3 days before Hania was taken.
$100,000 reward for info on sexual predator who could be heading to NC, FBI says

 

[Stunned]

I am not convinced aunt told her not to start the car. I know that's the story, I am not convinced that's accurate.

And again....you have no idea the pressure these family interpreters are under, especially with LE. I am in no way blaming LE, but a lot of these kids families learn early on to fly under the radar! The pressure that little sister felt horrifies me!

 

[not.a.muggle]

My point I'm trying to make is.. I think she was in the area of where her body was found the whole time. It obviously wasn't placed in it's final resting spot until right before she was found, so how did he get from where the SUV was abandoned back to where she was found?? A ride. Possibly from a friend? Stranger who picked him up while he was walking? Uber? But I strongly feel he's local, even more local to where she was found. I bet he's been watching the activity from near by in the comfort of his living room.

This is all JMO though.

Why do you say that (my bold)?

 

[Katerz]

Why do you say that (my bold)?

I was thinking that because of the smell of her body decomposing that the neighbors smelled. How long after death does that usually occur?

 

[not.a.muggle]

I was thinking that because of the smell of her body decomposing that the neighbors smelled. How long after death does that usually occur?

They said they smelled something "about a week and a half ago," but they also said the abandoned house was a quarter mile away from them. The temperature in Lumberton was around 80 on 11/6 and 11/7. Decomp starts right away. I think she was there from the beginning or close to it. I don't think this guy (or guys) held on to her for any amount of time.

 

[Inthedetails]

They said they smelled something "about a week and a half ago," but they also said the abandoned house was a quarter mile away from them. The temperature in Lumberton was around 80 on 11/6 and 11/7. Decomp starts right away. I think she was there from the beginning or close to it. I don't think this guy (or guys) held on to her for any amount of time.

I agree. The usual procedure in abductions is that the crime is committed immediately. The victim is often dead before LE can organize its response to the abduction.

It is possible that this perp assaulted Hania somewhere other than the dump site. Maybe he pulled the car over somewhere, assaulted her, and then drove her to the dump site where he killed her, if he hadn't done that already. Then he drives to dump the car. It all could be done in little over the time it would take to drive to those locations.

The only thing that gives me pause in that theory is the decomp smell. I would think people would smell it earlier than they did. (Maybe they did??)

jmo

eta clarity

 

[not.a.muggle]

I agree. The usual procedure in abductions is that the crime is committed immediately. The victim is often dead before LE can organize its response to the abduction.

It is possible that this perp assaulted Hania somewhere other than the dump site. Maybe he pulled the car over somewhere, assaulted her, and then drove her to the dump site where he killed her, if he hadn't done that already. Then he drives to dump the car. It all could be done in little over the time it would take to drive to those locations.

The only thing that gives me pause in that theory is the decomp smell. I would think people would smell it earlier than they did. (Maybe they did??)

jmo

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I didn't really connect my thoughts. I think the fact that the people who were interviewed were a quarter mile away means it took a little longer for them to smell it. The people in the houses just to the south definitely should have smelled it. People passing by may have assumed it was a deer that had been hit by a car and was somewhere off the road.

I called the cops a couple months ago because of a really strong decomp smell coming from an abandoned house next to my gym. We didn't smell anything until someone broke a board in the garage door. They were supposed to call me back, but never did. I assume it was an animal. But anyway, if I smelled decomp in an area where a person was missing, I would call the cops!

 

[Inthedetails]

I didn't really connect my thoughts. I think the fact that the people who were interviewed were a quarter mile away means it took a little longer for them to smell it. The people in the houses just to the south definitely should have smelled it. People passing by may have assumed it was a deer that had been hit by a car and was somewhere off the road.

I called the cops a couple months ago because of a really strong decomp smell coming from an abandoned house next to my gym. We didn't smell anything until someone broke a board in the garage door. They were supposed to call me back, but never did. I assume it was an animal. But anyway, if I smelled decomp in an area where a person was missing, I would call the cops!

Yes, we agree.

I asked upthread how far the neighbors lived from the site. Thanks for that info. It is possible the smell simply took awhile to reach them, especially if she was in an enclosed space.

I do have a lingering thought that she might have been kept in the abandoned building there, but if that is true, it wouldn't have been for long, imo. But I strongly lean toward the crime being committed quickly.

jmo

 

[margarita25]

Thank you.

It seems like he probably ditched the car in a place he was comfortable walking from. He does seem to be capable of long walks. He just ditched the car in the opposite direction from the body, but that was half assed. it was not far and almost in a straight line. so he must have walked from the car site. He must have some time on his hands to walk that far and that much, assuming he lives close to Rosewood. The area of the dump sites must be places he worked (agriculture?, automotive repair?, church?), has or had friends/family, or possibly spent time when he was younger. From the SUV dump site, you can cut back to 72 and walk back to Rosewood, which may be why the car was dumped there and not the body.

(This post makes sense to me. Marking.)

 

[margarita25]

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[Lillymac]

I agree. The usual procedure in abductions is that the crime is committed immediately. The victim is often dead before LE can organize its response to the abduction.

It is possible that this perp assaulted Hania somewhere other than the dump site. Maybe he pulled the car over somewhere, assaulted her, and then drove her to the dump site where he killed her, if he hadn't done that already. Then he drives to dump the car. It all could be done in little over the time it would take to drive to those locations.

The only thing that gives me pause in that theory is the decomp smell. I would think people would smell it earlier than they did. (Maybe they did??)

jmo

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But wasn't she in water? That would slow down decomp I think.