Found Deceased NC - Hania Noelia Aguilar, 13, abducted, Lumberton, 5 Nov 2018 #2

[Considering]

On HLN now talking about the man in the video clips.

 

[MimosaMornings]

In that area, water/flooding would have been the big concern from hurricanes. I think the window was damaged (broken/cracked) and not hurricane related.

 

[rainynights]

The witness said the perp pushed Hania into the car. Was that before or after she started the engine?

I was thinking she started the car, got out, and the perp pushed her back in. Do I have that right?

If that is right, why wouldn't he grab her when she first came outdoors? Why wait, if he was waiting just for her?

jmo

Investigators continue to follow all leads and consider all possibilities in the hunt for Hania Noelia Aguilar, who was reportedly forced into a stolen green 2002 Ford Expedition early Monday.

In a 911 call, one of the callers says the kidnapper took the girl into a family car that was already running. Hania was outside waiting to go to school, the caller said.

Kidnapped teen was forced into family car that was already running, 911 caller said

Yes, from the above I believe you have that right, and it's how I interpreted it.

IMO, he didn't grab her coming outdoors, because it would be more convenient to just push her into the vehicle that she was probably already in (or even partially in, and on her way out of) after she started it up. By grabbing her as she came outside (and before she got to the vehicle), he likely would have had to drag her all the way to the vehicle to kidnap her, as she would be fighting the entire way, which would create more of a risk for the perp in her getting away, and/or attracting attention from others.

I think it was a quick set of events to ensure a quick escape:

1) come out of nowhere
2) push her in the vehicle that was already running
3) get in to the driver's seat & close the driver's side door
4) hit the gas pedal to get out of there

Jmo

 

[MCOAPE]

Is it possible the girl had an online “friend”. And this is how he knew her? If he knew her that is.

There are some anomalies that I noticed. Her Instagram page shows she has a recent boyfriend (
*modsnip*/ naming and discussing person not POI not allowed and removed
Kind of odd. Their pages are public, so go and check it out.

Also it seems she had several over age boys / men following her page. She was popular... Maybe too popular at this young age.

 

[Gardener1850]

The bandanna was seen by a witness at the time of the abduction, not on the video.

EDITED: Where bolded by me, I originally said witnesses, but there was only one witness (the victim's younger sister).

The first page of the thread has info about the case, if you need a recap of what happened.

The victim's little sister heard Hania scream and apparently saw enough to be able to give a basic description of the clothing. No other witnesses that we know of.

jmo

Her sister was not the only witness. A neighbor also witnessed the attack:

She was outside her home just before 7:00 a.m. waiting for her family to drive to school. That’s when a neighbor heard her scream, looked outside and saw a man dressed in all black and wearing a yellow bandana force Hania into a relative’s vehicle that was parked in the driveway.

VIDEO | FBI Releases Surveillance Video Of Man Walking In Area Of NC Teen’s Kidnapping

Other articles refer to witnesses in the plural:

Lumberton police Chief Michael McNeill said investigators are interviewing witnesses, family and friends, canvassing the neighborhood and checking area surveillance cameras.

Witnesses could not describe the suspect other than to say he had a yellow bandana over his face. Hania was last seen wearing a blue shirt with flowers and blue jeans.

NORTH CAROLINA AMBER ALERT: VIDEO: SUV connected to Lumberton teen kidnapping located; mother pleads for help

The sister is the only one we have heard speak to the news but that may be because she is the only one who speaks English. I think her aunt probably saw something as well and her cousins were also in the house. JMO.

 

[MCOAPE]

If he walked to the place where Hania was forced into the car, which it appears he did... then how did he exit the place where he abandoned the car?
-> Options:
a) he walked to somewhere very near that location (with her?)
b) he had a vehicle there already and just switched to that (with her?)
c) he had an accomplice waiting or pick him up there (with her?)
d) he stole another car / motorcycle and bailed (with her?) (doubtful with her on motorcycle).
e) a four wheeler already there or in the area and off he goes (with her?)
f) he jumped on his magic broomstick and vanished (sarcasm, frustrated with this!).

The broomstick theory makes a lot of sense. It would explain how they got out of the woods without leaving many traces. You happened to know what model of broomsticks are out there?

 

[rainynights]

FBI Charlotte on Twitter | 2:24 PM (EST) - 9 Nov 2018

The Lumberton Police Department & the FBI ask you not to spread rumors on social media about the search for Hania Aguilar. Do not be responsible for redirecting our efforts away from where they need to be.... we should all unite to #FindHania.

 

[margarita25]

Lumberton Police Department on Facebook | Posted 11/08/2018 5:22pm (EST)

The attached video shows what appears to be a man wearing light colored shoes, a light-colored shirt, and a hoodie walking down Lambeth Street, then turning left onto Highway 41/Elizabethtown Road towards the Rosewood Mobile Home Park. Several vehicles were seen on the video driving by, if you saw the individual on the morning on November 5 or know this man, please contact our tip line at 910-272-5871 with any information. If you are this individual, please call the tip line and speak with investigators, your assistance may help in locating Hania.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=785242305144770

Lumberton Police Department on Facebook | Posted 11/08/2018 5:24pm (EST)

The Lumberton Police Department and the FBI ask for continued assistance with the investigation into the kidnapping of 13-year-old Hania Noelia Aguilar on November 5, 2018. Although, the vehicle used in the kidnapping has been located, Hania has not. Our search for Hania expands every second and it also becomes more and more dire. We still need your help.

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“And it also becomes more and more dire.”

That’s a strong statement from LE, language wise imo, as far if they think this is a rescue vs recovery mission. Jmo

 

[katydid23]

The witness said the perp pushed Hania into the car. Was that before or after she started the engine?

I was thinking she started the car, got out, and the perp pushed her back in. Do I have that right?

If that is right, why wouldn't he grab her when she first came outdoors? Why wait, if he was waiting just for her?

jmo

Maybe he wouldn't have a way to grab her and transport her, but once he saw the car running, he took the opportunity?

 

[rainynights]

Lumberton Police Department

The Lumberton Police Department and the FBI ask you not to spread rumors on social media about the search for Hania Aguilar. Information about the intensive search for Hania is being released by our official channels on a regular basis. Do not be responsible for redirecting our efforts away from where they need to be.... we should all unite to #FindHania.

If you really want to help us, show us the true power of social media, show us the goodness of our community and help us identify the man seen walking on surveillance video, he may seen something that can help us #FindHania.

 

[Mark111]

Have LE said what they believe to be the earliest time that the SUV could have been dumped?

I'm curious where it was between Monday morning and the Thursday.

Hi Amonet. I believe the SUV was found Thursday morning. I do not remember conversation about how long the vehicle had been there. It may be somewhere in the first thread.

 

[Inthedetails]

Kidnapped teen was forced into family car that was already running, 911 caller said

Yes, from the above I believe you have that right, and it's how I interpreted it.

IMO, he didn't grab her coming outdoors, because it would be more convenient to just push her into the vehicle that she was probably already in (or even partially in, and on her way out of) after she started it up. By grabbing her as she came outside (and before she got to the vehicle), he likely would have had to drag her all the way to the vehicle to kidnap her, as she would be fighting the entire way, which would create more of a risk for the perp in her getting away, and/or attracting attention from others.

I think it was a quick set of events to ensure a quick escape:

1) come out of nowhere
2) push her in the vehicle that was already running
3) get in to the driver's seat & close the driver's side door
4) hit the gas pedal to get out of there

Jmo

If that is the case, the car was probably part of the plan from the start. And if that is the case, he drove it somewhere he planned in advance - a place he knew would be hidden yet accessible to drive into (i.e. the site where a trailer used to be). And, if that is the case, he would certainly pick a place that provided an easy escape home.



jmopinion, just thinking aloud....

 

[zencompass]

Would a scent dog be able to sniff the driver seat of the SUV and then find out in which direction the guy left?

Dear Elainera,

Excellent thought!

I found this of interest (from article - below):

"The normal police K9 will be trained for “tracking”. That is; following a person by their footsteps and any ground disturbance created by those footsteps."

The Do’s and Don’ts of a Successful Use of Police K9 By J.W. Patrick | Police Dog Services

 

[Lillymac]

The witness said the perp pushed Hania into the car. Was that before or after she started the engine?

I was thinking she started the car, got out, and the perp pushed her back in. Do I have that right?

If that is right, why wouldn't he grab her when she first came outdoors? Why wait, if he was waiting just for her?

jmo

I think I read that this was her first time to go out and start the car. Has that been reported or did I dream it?

 

[Mercedes]

Where is everyone seeing a yellow bandana? The video that is being shown is in black and white?[/QUOTE

Delete, already answered.

 

[margarita25]

My question at this moment is if Hania is near the vehicle, maybe within a couple miles, or instead if the location of the car ditch is a red herring (as in the case of ARS dumping Jessica’s back pack in the opposite direction in order to purposefully throw off LE).

Thinking more about this though,the reason why ARS did that was to divert the heat from his/their own neighborhood, so I’m not sure that this would be a necessary action here or not by the perp.

What do stats tell us about distance of body found to abandoned vehicle? We don’t have much reference here I don’t think? Or do we?

Very sad to be typing all this. It’s just how awful somebody can do this to someone.

 

[margarita25]

Odd that the two trailers in the crime scene photographs were boarded up. I wonder how many of the homes there are dilapidated and/or not lived in.

Abandoned structure, this sounds very plausible at the moment.

Was there any hurricane damage there? Sorry if already discussed.

I’m leaning toward a wooded area at the moment, moo.

 

[margarita25]

At one time, it was Bridge Guy.

(Still is, unfortunately )

 

[zencompass]

Abandoned structure, this sounds very plausible at the moment.

Was there any hurricane damage there? Sorry if already discussed.

I’m leaning toward a wooded area at the moment, moo.

Dear margarita25,

Yes, this area was damaged by the hurricane.

It appears that the home is the closest to the woods (backs onto it).

 

[zencompass]

@margarita25

I'm not sure if you've seen rainynight's post yet (#172). Excellent reporter's video attached!

It is interesting how the home is right in front of the woods. This gave me the clearest picture of how the home is situated.

The windows on the home to the left (in the video) would not have a good view of the area between the woods and the home.

Rainynight posted:

"Also just found this video, which was recently broadcasted live. In this video, WRAL Reporter Gilbert Baez confirms which trailer home HNA was kidnapped from. He actually points to it. Great video to get an idea of the crime scene where HNA was taken. Jmo"

*For confirmation of which trailer, see 00:09

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=331616667570120