Found Deceased NC - Hania Noelia Aguilar, 13, abducted, Lumberton, 5 Nov 2018 #2

[ClaireNC]

Do police believe he is a suspect? Is it possible this guy is afraid to come forward because he is scared and is just an innocent walker?

LE have not called him a suspect. He might just be an innocent man walking to work at that hour. There is a chicken processing plant across the street from Food Lion. Or he could have been walking to the 24 hr Walmart market that is on Elizabethtown Road.

In general, people around here are very much afraid of the “law”.

 

[Gardener1850]

Local perspective. IMO. I don’t think Hania’s abduction is related to the three women that were found dead. Those cases were drug related and the three women knew each other.

Sadly I think Abby turned back to drugs and likely overdosed somewhere out of town. Or she is living in a drug addicted hell some place. Though abduction is possible, but the MO is totally different.

There is also Sara Graham that went missing from Fairmont in 2015. She left for work one morning and her van was found parked in a field not far from home. NC - NC - Sara Graham, 18, Fairmont, 4 February 2015 - #1
Sara’s case has more similarities to Hania’s than the other 4, just because she was last seen leaving her house early in the morning and her car was found in a rural area parked off the road.

Thanks Claire. I agree that it seems unlikely they are all connected. I recall LE saying they did not think Abby's case was connected to the 3 women found deceased. The 3 victims had other lifestyle factors in common such as prostitution and that was not known to be the case for Abby. I've always felt like Abby might have been a victim of someone she knew or perhaps she relapsed in her addiction like you said. However, I did find the map intriguing and the reported sighting of Abby getting into a car intriguing. I could see the possibility of the perp in Abby's case and Hania's case being the same man. Both cases involve cars. Both girls are petite with long dark hair. Abby might have been offered a ride by someone she did not know very well. He might have turned out to not be a friend (putting it very mildly). And if he felt he got away with taking Abby he might have gotten more brazen and escalated his behavior with the way he abducted Hania. I don't feel too strongly one way or the other about this theory, but I see how some could make the connections. Sara Graham may fit as well. Did she offer someone a ride or could she have been car jacked? Sara also had shoulder length dark hair.

I could also see there being a drug connection linking Abby to the other deceased women (perhaps the same dealer) with no connection at all to Hania (and possibly no foul play in Abby's case). Despite what LE says, Abby was in the same general area where the other women were found deceased and she had drug use in common. Those 4 cases seem to be in a different neighborhood altogether from Hania. Plus, the large age differences makes me think they are not likely connected to the abduction of a 13 year old. The map does not seem as significant if there are not any other similarities linking the cases. I'm open to the possibilities, however. We know so little about Hania's case, that I'm keeping an open mind at this point. JMO.

 

[zencompass]

In the video the police have released, the person of interest is smoking a cigarette.

That's what we were discussing. We were hoping that something could identify the person of interest.

If, after watching the surveillance tape, the authorities did collect cigarette butts from that area, as well as in the woods and path behind the home, it's possible that they can retrieve nuclear DNA from them. Particularly pertaining to a match of a certain brand.

I'm sure the authorities have likely searched that area along which the person of interest was walking.

None of the evidence will be released to the public.

Yesterday we were discussing the possibility of the authorities finding and examining nuclear DNA from cigarettes butts discarded by the person of interest.

I believe that the F.B.I. have detailed that area where the person of interest was walking. Every single piece of debris would have been looked at during the search. Even identifying a certain brand of cigarette could start inquiries at nearby stores (surveillance cams).

They searched the woods behind the home and along the path. There may even be a cigarette butt or two along that path that matches up.

If the DNA found on the cigarette butts matches up with any nuclear DNA found in the vehicle, such as sweat, skin cells, hair with a root attached, etc. then they may be able to match them to one individual.

As we were all discussing, even if the DNA is not found in CODIS, the authorities could still have a solid piece of nuclear DNA for an arrest.

The height of the P.O.I. (when he walked by the telephone pole on the video) can be approximated.

Tips the authorities receive could lead to this individual and they could soon get the break in this case.

 

[PommyMommy]

WJHL on Twitter | 9:17 AM (EST) - 10 Nov 2018

Community leans on faith as search continues for Lumberton teen Hania Aguilar https://ift.tt/2z17vPA #WJHL

(WJHL added,)
Community leans on faith as search continues for Lumberton teen Hania Aguilar

(*video at link)

Thanks, rainy. From the link:

The coordinator at the church, JC, said Hania’s mother called him on Monday morning from the police department and asked the congregation to pray for the 13-year-old's safe return. That's what they've been doing ever since.

The abduction happened just feet from Hania’s front door in the Rosewood Mobile Home Park Monday just before 7 a.m.

Investigators said the teen started the family SUV, preparing to head to school, when a man forced her into the vehicle and drove off. It hits close to home for many in this community.

St. Andrew's holds a prayer service every Friday evening. Hania and her family usually attend. This week, though, the church family turned out in force, knowing they’d need the extra support.

Her family was too distraught to speak on camera.

 

[zencompass]

Well they know he has a cell phone, you can see it, so they will get all the Tower dumps and it will take a task force to see who was in that area at that time but with luck, they might get him.

Dear Skully,

Great thinking!

The tower dump information will be critical, especially surveillance of the cell numbers which turn up in the data during those early morning hours.

A cell number that pops up in that area during that particular time (6:00 a.m. - 7:00 a.m. especially) would be a great break.

Cell tower dump information (CSLI cell-site location information) is such a critical tool for the authorities.

This may definitely lead to a break in this case.

 

[ClaireNC]

Thanks Claire. I agree that it seems unlikely they are all connected. I recall LE saying they did not think Abby's case was connected to the 3 women found deceased. The 3 victims had other lifestyle factors in common such as prostitution and that was not known to be the case for Abby. I've always felt like Abby might have been a victim of someone she knew or perhaps she relapsed in her addiction like you said. However, I did find the map intriguing and the reported sighting of Abby getting into a car intriguing. I could see the possibility of the perp in Abby's case and Hania's case being the same man. Both cases involve cars. Both girls are petite with long dark hair. Abby might have been offered a ride by someone she did not know very well. He might have turned out to not be a friend (putting it very mildly). And if he felt he got away with taking Abby he might have gotten more brazen and escalated his behavior with the way he abducted Hania. I don't feel too strongly one way or the other about this theory, but I see how some could make the connections. Sara Graham may fit as well. Did she offer someone a ride or could she have been car jacked? Sara also had shoulder length dark hair.

I could also see there being a drug connection linking Abby to the other deceased women (perhaps the same dealer) with no connection at all to Hania (and possibly no foul play in Abby's case). Despite what LE says, Abby was in the same general area where the other women were found deceased and she had drug use in common. Those 4 cases seem to be in a different neighborhood altogether from Hania. Plus, the large age differences makes me think they are not likely connected to the abduction of a 13 year old. The map does not seem as significant if there are not any other similarities linking the cases. I'm open to the possibilities, however. We know so little about Hania's case, that I'm keeping an open mind at this point. JMO.

I agree 100%. We are thinking along the same lines. The possibility of Abby being an abduction and related to Hania’s case is there...not likely, but possible. I also see similarities to Sara’s case, but there are underlying political issues in her case, that point otherwise.

 

[Gardener1850]

Re-watching videos today. Captured some screenshots from one video in particular, with comments.

At this point, it appears an oncoming vehicle shines light on the perp.
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IMO, pants seem a bit baggy, or seem to hang low.
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Seems to be a bulge in the back, perhaps a backpack.
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All my own opinion and observations.

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I noticed the bulge too. I'm not sure it's a backpack. In other photos it does not appear he has anything on his shoulders or upper back area-- the bulge seems low and near his waist. Perhaps a lightweight shoulder bag like the type newspaper boys carry? Like this: Newspaper Carrier Bag | eBay Only empty so it is swinging loosely behind him some steps and hugging his body in other steps? Or perhaps he has something heavy in one of the pockets of his hoodie. The hoodie is unzipped and maybe when he lifts his arm to his face for a cigarette/phone/drink the heavy pocket slips backwards making his sweatshirt bulge in the back? I don't see the bulge at all times just in certain frames. Hard to tell what is going on there. JMO.

 

[noseymosey]

Are we allowed to talk about registered sex offenders nearby? There is one who has had a kidnapping charge that has the same trailer park address except it is lot 104. That would be only 2 trailers away. I am sure the local law enforcement and fbi would be all over that but it worries me.

 

[zencompass]

Morning Margarita.

We would hope any evidence is fasttracked however it often really isn't the case.

We have just learned in Jayme's abduction and murder of her parents none of the forensic evidence sent into the lab has come back yet. Jaymes abduction happened over three weeks ago closing in on a month now.

Even in high profile cases it usually takes around 8 weeks for turn around time in most of them or even longer.

In this case I think it will be good plain old detective work and following up leads that will lead them to the suspect even if forensics arent back.

If Hania hasn't been located we can only hope for a confession once they nab the suspect.

As you know this does not bode well for Hania statistically. When suspects kidnap minor children they are killed shortly after being taken. The number one motive for taking the child is sexual assault.

44 percent are kidnapped..raped and murdered by strangers.

42 percent of the time the kidnapper..rapist and murderer will be an acquaintance of some kind like a neighbor or someone known to the child even casually.

The least likely to kidnap..rape and murder are family members.

I pray this dangerous individual is caught soon and they will find Hania alive.

Jmo

Dear Oceanblueeyes,

Thank you for your informative and insightful post.

Where I stand right now - I hold two definite thoughts. Belief and hope.

The first is that I believe that this investigative team will solve this soon.

The second is that I still have hope for Hania. To me, there is always hope - unless and until it is proven otherwise.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

I posted this in another case (might have been in the Jayme Closs case). Putting it here because I feel it’s important to know the process & what LE must go through with cases like Hania’s.
LE Procedures for Missing Children:
http://www.missingkids.com/content/dam/ncmec/en_us/archive/documents/ncmecmodelpolicychild.pdf
MOO

 

[flute4peace]

Wait they did?????

Omg see that is what I was just saying. Ok going to shut up now and read I promise.

I don’t have post numbers, help!

Turn your phone sideways.

 

[Skully]

Dear Skully,

Great thinking!

The tower dump information will be critical, especially surveillance of the cell numbers which turn up in the data during those early morning hours.

A cell number that pops up in that area during that particular time (6:00 a.m. - 7:00 a.m. especially) would be a great break.

Cell tower dump information (CSLI cell-site location information) is such a critical tool for the authorities.

This may definitely lead to a break in this case.

Don't get to excited about tower dumps, i have had to look at them and i knew the numbers I was searching so you would think it would be easy, but no it takes days. They are usually in an Excel format, so you can put in a number or part of a number and do the search, but if you don't know the number you need to hunt for, you have to do a search on every number put it in a database that tells you who owns the phone. If it's a pay as you go phone, you won't get an owner. One tower dump can give you thousands of numbers to check into. And it takes days if not weeks or months to get the carriers to give you the data once you get your subpoena.

 

[Skully]

So he dumps the SUV and takes off with her. So maybe he is on the phone telling someone what he is doing or what his plans are. because you have to have a ride when you dump that SUV, so he had someone pick him and her up. maybe they are in the neighborhood, not far. She could be in a house just a miles from there.

 

[Skully]

Are we allowed to talk about registered sex offenders nearby? There is one who has had a kidnapping charge that has the same trailer park address except it is lot 104. That would be only 2 trailers away. I am sure the local law enforcement and fbi would be all over that but it worries me.

That would be one of the very first things they would do. They would knock on every door for each of them and see what they are doing and where they are.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Dear Oceanblueeyes,

Thank you for your informative and insightful post.

Where I stand right now - I hold two definite thoughts. Belief and hope.

The first is that I believe that this investigative team will solve this soon.

The second is that I still have hope for Hania. To me, there is always hope - unless and until it is proven otherwise.

Thank you my sweet Zen.

We must never lose hope in any of these unsolved cases until all hope is absolutely gone even though it can be extremely hard to do.

I am glad to see now that investigators across states are conversing with each other about possible links to each other. At one time police nationwide did not converse with each other about their cases. For decades they did not do this.

Many times when a suspect is arrested they retrace their steps and uncover unsolved cases they were eventually connected to.

It happened when Joe Duncan was arrested in the Greone kidnapping and mass murders.

It also happened when they finally arrested CC for kidnapping..rape and murder of 6 year old Isabel Celis. They also tied him to the kidnapping..rape and murder of 13 year old Maribel Gonzalez. Now they are retracing CCs steps all across the country by contacting LE in every city he lived in since the age of 15. Imo they are going to tie him to other unsolved cases involving young chulren.

Hopefully if they find who kidnapped Hania they will be able to link him to other cases if this is not his first kidnapping which I highly doubt it was his first crime against children.

Imo

 

[Skully]

I noticed the bulge too. I'm not sure it's a backpack. In other photos it does not appear he has anything on his shoulders or upper back area-- the bulge seems low and near his waist. Perhaps a lightweight shoulder bag like the type newspaper boys carry? Like this: Newspaper Carrier Bag | eBay Only empty so it is swinging loosely behind him some steps and hugging his body in other steps? Or perhaps he has something heavy in one of the pockets of his hoodie. The hoodie is unzipped and maybe when he lifts his arm to his face for a cigarette/phone/drink the heavy pocket slips backwards making his sweatshirt bulge in the back? I don't see the bulge at all times just in certain frames. Hard to tell what is going on there. JMO.

Looks like a bag or case hung from right to left, over right shoulder and hang to the left hip. Like women do when they don't want to have a purse slip off the shoulder. So he may have come with a kit, like duct tape, restraints or some thing to make her comply.

 

[Skully]

13-year-old girl abducted in Lumberton

Nov 5 2018
Lumberton, N.C. (WPDE) - A man grabbed a 13-year-old girl just before 7 a.m. Monday from her yard at Rosewood mobile home park on East Town Road in Lumberton and forced her into a Green 2002 Ford Expedition, according to Captain Terry Parker with Lumberton police.

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Thread #1

Who owned the Ford Expedition?

 

[Stunned]

I really tried to read every post to catch up but was not able to I wanted to know if everyone was aware of these other Lumberton cases.
FBI offers $30K reward in case of 3 dead in Lumberton :: WRAL.com

Wow! Thanks! That was what I was trying to remember about Lumberton!

 

[raja]

Looks like a bag or case hung from right to left, over right shoulder and hang to the left hip. Like women do when they don't want to have a purse slip off the shoulder. So he may have come with a kit, like duct tape, restraints or some thing to make her comply.

So we have a guy with something under his clothes and he limps. This some how reminds me of the Delphi BG

 

[Skully]

sorry found it, the name of the owner.