The mention of him taking unprescribed antidepressants is a flag for me. There’s a number of well known antidepressants that can cause suicidal thoughts and actions in people. If he was taking those without a doctor’s guidance that could explain a lot.
NC NC - James 'Martin' Roberts, 19, Boone, 21 April 2016
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Saw this case for the first time today on Investigation Discovery (10/16/2022). It is a strange case that just feels "wrong" on so many levels. The first thought I had about the entire thing was "staged", mostly because of the note, which wasn't really a suicide note, and then the antidepressents. We don't know that he took them... they feel staged to me to force LE and everyone to think suicide. Feels more like a walk-away to a new life, or a deeper sinister plot that we can only speculate on at this point. Will be following this case.
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Martin Roberts
College student Martin Roberts was last seen around noon on April 21, 2016, near the Appalachian State University campus in Boone, North Carolina. In the time since, there have been few clues as to what may have happened. According to Sergeant Shane Robbins of the Boone Police Department, Martin, who was 19 at the time, vanished without his cell phone, tablet or computer. He did not have access to a vehicle, which made his disappearance all the more troubling to his family. In 2016, Police told Dateline that they did not suspect foul play at that point, but were concerned as it was “very out of character” for Martin to not be in contact with his loved ones. Dateline reached out to the Boone Police Department recently to see if there have been any further leads, but has not heard back. Thousands continue to follow the Facebook group ‘Help Find Martin Roberts,’ where Martin’s family posts updates, and others share words of encouragement. Martin Roberts is described as 5’10”, weighing 145 lbs. with light brown hair and blue eyes. He was last seen wearing a black, short-sleeved shirt, an Appalachian State windbreaker, khaki shorts, gray sneakers and a white golf visor. If you have any information regarding Martin’s case, call the Boone Police Department at (828) 268-6900.
Martin Roberts
College student Martin Roberts was last seen around noon on April 21, 2016, near the Appalachian State University campus in Boone, North Carolina. In the time since, there have been few clues as to what may have happened. According to Sergeant Shane Robbins of the Boone Police Department, Martin, who was 19 at the time, vanished without his cell phone, tablet or computer. He did not have access to a vehicle, which made his disappearance all the more troubling to his family. In 2016, Police told Dateline that they did not suspect foul play at that point, but were concerned as it was “very out of character” for Martin to not be in contact with his loved ones. Dateline reached out to the Boone Police Department recently to see if there have been any further leads, but has not heard back. Thousands continue to follow the Facebook group ‘Help Find Martin Roberts,’ where Martin’s family posts updates, and others share words of encouragement. Martin Roberts is described as 5’10”, weighing 145 lbs. with light brown hair and blue eyes. He was last seen wearing a black, short-sleeved shirt, an Appalachian State windbreaker, khaki shorts, gray sneakers and a white golf visor. If you have any information regarding Martin’s case, call the Boone Police Department at (828) 268-6900.
I think that suicide is a popular thought here however, with respect given to your opinion, I believe the longer this goes without resolution, the less likely it becomes. The problem with suicide, among others is the lack of body. A massive search was undertaken in the hours after and for days yet he remains missing. In the time since, NAMUS has not produced an unidentified body that fits. Local and or national law enforcement has not produced publicly available information that would suggest a body has been found or any new case information has been developed. I think the fact he expressed regret in a letter and that they found antidepressants in his room leads many to assume suicide is a likely scenario. However, if we look with a more critical eye on what we are calling "evidence" to support this theory, it's just as speculative and believing he ran off to join the circus in Russia.
Where did he get the antidepressants? Did they magically appear in his medicine cabinet? Which one of his "friends or roommates" might have been taking the same antidepressants? Do we have a toxicology report that says he was taking those? What proof do we have they were his? Who is to say one of his room mates, maybe the same room mates that snatched his food planted the antidepressants? Honestly, they are just as simply someone else's as they are his.
Moreover, who is to say he was depressed and taking them for depression? We don't have any information. What we do know is he went shopping and should have had a store of groceries in his room but according to the investigators, the responding police found his food storage empty. Is all this food he purchased in the "multiple bags" noticeable in the bus video visa vi a bulging or otherwise full backpack? Where's the food? Maybe taken by someone who knew he wasn't coming back. Yes, this is a complete over reaction to a police report that notes he had multiple bags of groceries in the hours leading up to his disappearance while noting groceries were not found where they ought to have been but hopefully illustrates the assumption of suicide, based on what information has been released is just as speculative as someone planting the antidepressants. Both concepts are rooted in logical fallacy.
Specifically, his note has never been released. His father says it discusses regret yet he and law enforcement are either not sold it is a suicide note or they are minimizing the importance of the details to the possibility a public release might develop viable leads.
For all of the reasons we have discussed in this forum, I believe IF James Martin Roberts committed suicide, he had help. Almost like he followed a script provided by someone whom specializes in this sort of "assistance." Moreover, IF I can believe this is an assisted suicide, I can just as easily believe he met with someone who took him.
He told his father he was working. Let's look at this for what it is. He told his father he was working at a specific location but it turns out he wasn't working there. On the surface this shows he was pressured in some way to lie about employment. Perhaps not to "let down" his parents. Whatever the reason we are told he wasn't working but the evidence provided suggests only that no-one admits he was working at specific restaurants. In no way does this prove he wasn't working "somewhere." Regardless, why did he choose THAT particular place of potential employment? You follow that rabbit hole and it gets very interesting.
Are we completely ignoring the possibility he WAS working, just not where he said he was working? Maybe he was earning through non traceable ways or maybe he was working or otherwise applied for work at the Come Back Shack and in the course of that work, he met the Prewitt's and Zerrubbabel and subsequently became a walk away. The road he "walked" literally led to Z ministries.
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Help. Missing Person - Zerubbabel Ministries Boone, NC
UPDATE: FOUND!! Thank you!!
Hi, my sister-in-laws mother has gone missing. She was reformed and home for about a year from this cult in NC. This past weekend she went missing from Pennsylvania and wiped her bank account. The sheriff in NC has made contact with Page Prewitt of Zerubbabel and they said Laura is alive but will not give proof of life.
Anyone have experience with these people????
They also own the restaurant chain Come Back Shack in NC.
Any help is appreciated!
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This group has a tight community and is very well funded and can easily provide a haven for a walk away and be able to financially support that person. Reread that Reddit post, makes for an interesting rabbit hole. Moving beyond this, let's not overlook the fact there was a huge drug ring running at a number of colleges that included campuses in Boone...
Two App State students plead guilty for role in $1.5M drug ring across three university campuses
...were among 21 people arrested who were accused of, in part, moving thousands of pounds of marijuana, cocaine, LSD, Molly, mushrooms, steroids, human growth hormones, Xanax and other narcotics during the course of several years...."
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So, investigations were being conducted by federal investigators, supposedly in collaboration with local jurisdictions but cooperation isn't always the case so local law enforcement could theoretically not have noticed a connection when originally investigating. Is it possible Martin intersected with this investigation in some way? Did he get the "antidepressants" through someone involved in this drug culture?
Hey, what were the "antidepressants anyway?" Many types of "antidepressant" medications are prescribed for anxiety vs depression and many college students have some form of prescription for anxiety nowadays as the general thinking is these types of medications help with focus and can even out the curve of academic achievement with students who do not have the same anxieties. So, were these "antidepressants" actually some form of stimulant? Again, speculation until we know which medication was found and can establish that they did belong to Martin AND he was taking them.
What's not speculation? He was arrested, at least once. I say at least once because as noted in an earlier post, I found two case numbers assigned to him just days apart yet only a single arrest is ever discussed. Do the two case numbers represent a local jurisdiction reassignment or do they represent two different interactions with the legal and judicial system. Either way, did he meet someone in conjunction with one of case numbers that played some role in either his disappearance as a whole or provide him with the antidepressants? Perhaps he agreed to some sort of rehabilitative effort that intersected him with a mental health professional? Perhaps a religious counseling experience?
Ultimately, his note has not been released. Why? For personal reasons? As a parent, if one of my own children were missing and left a note, at some point I would release the note, regardless of its content because my sole objective in life at that point would be to do everything and anything to find my child. This is not saying the Robert's aren't doing everything. In fact, it is clear they love Martin and are doing everything that can to find him. Sure, the note may be specifically damaging to Martin or his friends and family but every word is another potential tell that allows insight into his situation at the time he went missing and at some point, holding back the information provides diminishing returns.
All said, since they have not released the note in these many years I am left with the question: in what situation would law enforcement instruct me NOT to release something? When it's evidentiary value is greater when withheld? Perhaps. I do not know about others but like I said, as a father, on a case that hasn't moved the needle in terms of new evidence in years, I'd release the note, redacting names, in an attempt to bring in new ideas and hopefully open up new avenues of investigation.
I've reviewed this case from so many angles, it just doesn't make sense, regardless of the road you take with the logic chain. None if it. Specifically, based on the information that has been released, nobody can convince me James Martin Roberts committed suicide and his body is simply undiscovered in the forest between Boone and Blowing Rock. There are just too many other speculative properties that quite frankly make more sense.
Let's take for example Cole Thomas who went missing in NC in 2016.
NCSBI - Christopher Cole Thomas.
Cole was taking a break from college, found some work and met a few fellows through the course of this work. He was on his way to Florida from Wisconsin and disappeared in NC. One thing leads to another and these "fellows" claimed Cole jumped from a van and ran off, never to be seen again and as it turns out they were actually in NC carrying out a sizeable methamphetamine drug deal. The "fellows" were charged with his disappearance but later had the charges dropped because they didn't want to compromise the possibility of prosecuting them in the future. Thus, not a strong enough case to bring stand alone charges or perhaps they are working to establish additional connections to other crimes. Aka, missing people?
You ever follow one of these case rabbit holes so far you get on an insightful path where the logic chain just makes sense and it leads you to the next speculative event that fits and it keeps developing until you move so fast and swift to a you are startled and snap back and wonder how speculation can be so convincing? It's all speculation, every bit of it, including the speculation that he committed suicide.
Sorry I missed responding to this. You are absolutely right, many people do carry on as nothing is wrong then move directly to self harm but in this case- we are to believe Martin left behind a note (a note that the consensus of those close to him believe is not a suicide note), his ID and credit cards, THEN packed the "frozen" dinners, THEN possibly proceeded to self harm. So which point do we look at as being the signal that he was suicidal? The moment he pulled his cards out of his wallet and left, the point he wrote the note that is not considered a suicide note or the point he disappeared. So if all of these precursor events suggest he was suicidal and planning to end his own life, then what was the purpose of the frozen dinners? Thus, the frozen dinners, if true, become crucial in understanding his intention in that, the point at which "they" happened represent a deviation from the purported "suicidal" narrative. Sure we can get into discussion about what is or isn't logical but if we take a step back we can look at it from a top down view. Martin is walking this path laid out in a note as leaving, some have suggested the period turmoil in his life along with the antidepressants as enough negative motivation to jump to the conclusion he was depressed and the note was something OTHER than what Martin said it was. They jump to the conclusion the note was a suicide letter even though the note described itself as a "leaving" note. The frozen dinners support the note was a "leaving" note because it shows an expectation for managing hunger right in the middle of taking his final steps? In my opinion, he made effort to ensure he wouldn't go hungry thus the steps were not intended on being his final steps. Now we can get into following some script set out by someone else but for the purpose of the frozen dinners, I think they are indicators he intended to survive long enough to need them and had the expectation of being in a place he could cook them.
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“Please continue with your thoughts and prayers for his family who still remember and miss their son,” police said in a statement.
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Student still missing 7 years after disappearance near App State campus in Boone
BOONE, N.C. (QUEEN CITY NEWS) — James Martin Roberts, a student at Caldwell County Community College, disappeared near the Appalachian State University campus on April 21, 2016. Police said t…
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Just listened to a new video about this case. Wasn't aware of this missing person. Looks like nothing has developed over the years. So sad.
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I really don't want to admit this but his is the only missing person's case which struck me as blatant suicide the moment I came across it this morning. He just lied so much and kept so many secrets, I think he was just done and over it. His case is very intriguing and gripping and I hope if we don't get closure we can at least look at it as a possible case study into depression/suicidality.
I wonder where he hid his body for even the most accomplished felons and murderers with the most intricate plans are incapable of hiding a body, let alone someone who had to hide their body after the suicide.
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I've heard that the forest areas around where he lived at the time are very dense and dark (hence why fellow students who were interviewed said that it contributed to their own depression), and especially around the long Winter time. The area itself sounds like a bit of a dreary place to be
I am new here, but have been following this case since day 1. I lived in Boone in the early 2000s.
With the coast connection, could this be something to look into? The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Nine years into the disappearance of Martin Roberts, speculation remains the primary fuel of most public conversation. That's understandable in a case with so little hard data- but speculation isn't where answers live. Patterns do.
This post revisits what we know, and equally important, what we've NOT been told. Because if Martin is still out there, or if someone knows what happened, it won't be a mailed in facial rendering that solves this. It will be the suppressed, neglected, and seemingly unrelated details that snap into place when viewed from the correct angle.
Established Data – Unchanged Since 2016
Last Seen: April 21, 2016, 12:30 p.m., near the ASU Convocation Center
Attire: Khaki shorts, black ASU windbreaker, gray New Balance shoes, white visor
Gear: No phone, no wallet, no ID, no vehicle
Left Note: Described as expressing regret but never released publicly
Known Activities Prior: Left apartment saying he was going to the library; spoke to cousin at bus stop; then vanished
Behavioral Indicators Suggesting Pre-Planning
These are not theories. They are known elements that have yet to be reconciled with any credible
explanation:
Food selection: He packed frozen microwave meals. Not snacks. Not shelf-stable food. Meals requiring a microwave. This implies an indoor destination. Not a trail, not a bus terminal, not open-ended wandering.
Choice of clothing: His apparel was comfortable, casual, and weather-appropriate- but unsuitable for extended outdoor travel. Again, this suggests short-term transit to a fixed location.
Deliberate disconnection: No cell phone. No wallet. No cards. These were not forgotten, they were intentionally left. This disconnect from surveillance, spending, and communication is precise, not careless. Was it at the direction of someone else? A planned meet?
Absence of surveillance: Despite the urban location and proximity to campus infrastructure, there is no camera footage placing him beyond the bus stop. That in itself is statistically unusual.
Case Record Inconsistencies
Two criminal case files are associated with Martin:
15CR050674
15CR051180
Why two distinct entries? Were these split charges? Deferred judgment? Counseling assignments? These aren't accusations, they are data points. But each record implies intractions with either the judicial system, court-appointed advisors, or third-party intermediaries. Each of whom may have knowledge relevant to his movements or mindset.
Cults, Churches, and Community Influence
This is not rumor-mongering. Boone has documented history of religious communities operating outside mainstream oversight. One, Zerubbabel Ministries, maintains deep ties to the area—including ownership of Come Back Shack, a local burger shop Martin is reported to have considered for employment. Not to mention Church of the Master Angel. Two groups known to take in disenfranchised youth and do what cults do... I'll leave that right there.
Zerubbabel group has a pattern: they offer spiritual refuge, housing, isolation, and employment to young men. Their theology is insular. Their structure is self-contained. It is possible Martin encountered a member prior to his disappearance. No conclusions. But this is a line of inquiry that has some legs to chase down.
Drug Network Proximity
In the same window, a $1.5 million multi-campus drug operation was quietly shut down. Martin's demographic and social orbit intersected Appalachian State, where this network was embedded. Whether Martin was exposed to this culture directly or tangentially, it is not impossible that someone in that environment played a role in his movement or silence.
The antidepressants found in his room have never been traced to a prescription origin. No clarification has been issued publicly on the type, dosage, or source. These could be a breadcrumb or nothing. But they were there. Ignoring them is not rational.
The Age Progression Image: Useful but Misleading
In 2021, an age-progressed rendering of Martin was released. It made headlines and helped circulate his name again.
But let’s be clear: this image does not help us understand what happened. It does not resolve the inconsistencies in movement, the contradictions in gear, or the long silence that followed. It is not a lead, it's a marginal approximation based on some faulty interpretation of affect and misapplied technique. Literally, Martin could like completely different that that drawing. It's my opinion the art was not well conceived nor executed.
In the absence of real answers, the image risks becoming the proxy for progress. It isn't. Real progress comes from investigative scrutiny, not digital art.
This case doesn't need another poster. It needs access.
Release the note. After nearly a decade, there is no justifiable reason to withhold its contents. If it contains nothing criminal, publish it. It matters.
Disclose prescription records. Was Martin prescribed antidepressants? Or were they acquired through another channel? This distinction is critical.
Re-examine affiliations. Interviews with individuals linked to Come Back Shack and affiliated ministries may yield context. Not accusation—just context.
Reinvestigate the two case numbers. Who interacted with Martin through those proceedings? What service providers were involved?
If Martin planned to disappear, he did so with precision. If someone intervened in that plan—whether to help, harm, or hide him—they’ve had nine years of silence to shield them, so whomever it is is able to stow him away from prying eyes while at the same time able to support him. Or, on the darker side, perhaps he elicited help from someone else??
That silence doesn’t last forever.
-Aun
This post revisits what we know, and equally important, what we've NOT been told. Because if Martin is still out there, or if someone knows what happened, it won't be a mailed in facial rendering that solves this. It will be the suppressed, neglected, and seemingly unrelated details that snap into place when viewed from the correct angle.
Established Data – Unchanged Since 2016
Last Seen: April 21, 2016, 12:30 p.m., near the ASU Convocation Center
Attire: Khaki shorts, black ASU windbreaker, gray New Balance shoes, white visor
Gear: No phone, no wallet, no ID, no vehicle
Left Note: Described as expressing regret but never released publicly
Known Activities Prior: Left apartment saying he was going to the library; spoke to cousin at bus stop; then vanished
Behavioral Indicators Suggesting Pre-Planning
These are not theories. They are known elements that have yet to be reconciled with any credible
explanation:
Food selection: He packed frozen microwave meals. Not snacks. Not shelf-stable food. Meals requiring a microwave. This implies an indoor destination. Not a trail, not a bus terminal, not open-ended wandering.
Choice of clothing: His apparel was comfortable, casual, and weather-appropriate- but unsuitable for extended outdoor travel. Again, this suggests short-term transit to a fixed location.
Deliberate disconnection: No cell phone. No wallet. No cards. These were not forgotten, they were intentionally left. This disconnect from surveillance, spending, and communication is precise, not careless. Was it at the direction of someone else? A planned meet?
Absence of surveillance: Despite the urban location and proximity to campus infrastructure, there is no camera footage placing him beyond the bus stop. That in itself is statistically unusual.
Case Record Inconsistencies
Two criminal case files are associated with Martin:
15CR050674
15CR051180
Why two distinct entries? Were these split charges? Deferred judgment? Counseling assignments? These aren't accusations, they are data points. But each record implies intractions with either the judicial system, court-appointed advisors, or third-party intermediaries. Each of whom may have knowledge relevant to his movements or mindset.
Cults, Churches, and Community Influence
This is not rumor-mongering. Boone has documented history of religious communities operating outside mainstream oversight. One, Zerubbabel Ministries, maintains deep ties to the area—including ownership of Come Back Shack, a local burger shop Martin is reported to have considered for employment. Not to mention Church of the Master Angel. Two groups known to take in disenfranchised youth and do what cults do... I'll leave that right there.
Zerubbabel group has a pattern: they offer spiritual refuge, housing, isolation, and employment to young men. Their theology is insular. Their structure is self-contained. It is possible Martin encountered a member prior to his disappearance. No conclusions. But this is a line of inquiry that has some legs to chase down.
Drug Network Proximity
In the same window, a $1.5 million multi-campus drug operation was quietly shut down. Martin's demographic and social orbit intersected Appalachian State, where this network was embedded. Whether Martin was exposed to this culture directly or tangentially, it is not impossible that someone in that environment played a role in his movement or silence.
The antidepressants found in his room have never been traced to a prescription origin. No clarification has been issued publicly on the type, dosage, or source. These could be a breadcrumb or nothing. But they were there. Ignoring them is not rational.
The Age Progression Image: Useful but Misleading
In 2021, an age-progressed rendering of Martin was released. It made headlines and helped circulate his name again.
But let’s be clear: this image does not help us understand what happened. It does not resolve the inconsistencies in movement, the contradictions in gear, or the long silence that followed. It is not a lead, it's a marginal approximation based on some faulty interpretation of affect and misapplied technique. Literally, Martin could like completely different that that drawing. It's my opinion the art was not well conceived nor executed.
In the absence of real answers, the image risks becoming the proxy for progress. It isn't. Real progress comes from investigative scrutiny, not digital art.
This case doesn't need another poster. It needs access.
Release the note. After nearly a decade, there is no justifiable reason to withhold its contents. If it contains nothing criminal, publish it. It matters.
Disclose prescription records. Was Martin prescribed antidepressants? Or were they acquired through another channel? This distinction is critical.
Re-examine affiliations. Interviews with individuals linked to Come Back Shack and affiliated ministries may yield context. Not accusation—just context.
Reinvestigate the two case numbers. Who interacted with Martin through those proceedings? What service providers were involved?
If Martin planned to disappear, he did so with precision. If someone intervened in that plan—whether to help, harm, or hide him—they’ve had nine years of silence to shield them, so whomever it is is able to stow him away from prying eyes while at the same time able to support him. Or, on the darker side, perhaps he elicited help from someone else??
That silence doesn’t last forever.
-Aun
Martin Roberts Notes:
Wanted to take a quick moment and start consolidating information about the case for quick reference later. Obviously, I welcome any corrections or additions to my work here so if i have misreported anything, please let me know and lets get the record amended as it were. All in all I will take a few points in each post and sort of discuss what I've found in terms of investigative progress.
Why post this? A lot of details get repeated from memory. Below I’ve pulled together a few items I could document directly- so we’re all working from the same sheet of music. Wherever possible, I cite primary or authoritative sources.
1) Groceries / "Frozen dinners"
A 2021 Winston-Salem Journal feature on the 5-year mark poses a core question in its timeline: "Why did he only appear to pack frozen dinners with him when he left his apartment that day?" (archived). This firmly places the frozen dinners detail in mainstream reporting, not just forum lore.
Wayback Machine
Related: Investigation Discovery’s Disappeared coverage (and multiple recaps) say Martin went grocery shopping the day before and there was no food left in his fridge, implying he took food with him, though they don’t specify the type. (Consistent with the above.)
UNC School of Government
So what? “Frozen dinners” implies is he intended access to a freezer/microwave shortly after leaving- i.e., an indoor stop first- and makes a direct, "gearless" backcountry hike less likely that same hour. It doesn’t rule out a later outdoor accident; but does muddy the waters as it were when trying to reconcile him intending on an outdoor hike or other outdoor destination. What it certainly does is gives is a reason to believe he intended on being around long enough to be hungry and at a location he could access a microwave.
2) The August 2015 court cases — what they actually were
Using the court registers (case printouts), here's what those two case numbers mean:
15CR051060-940 — DWI (G.S. 20-138.1) Level 5, BAC 0.16; plus a companion “Drive after consuming, <21” count (G.S. 20-138.3). On Jan 20, 2016: DWI guilty; the <21 count had judgment arrested. Sentence: 60 days noted to the Misdemeanant Confinement Program (MCP) suspended, 12 months unsupervised probation, community service credited, fees, license conditions, and substance-use assessment/treatment (some already completed). (Source: Register of Actions, user-provided PDFs.)
15CR000721-940 — Underage possession of alcohol (G.S. 18B-302(b)(1)); filed 08/12/2015. On Jan 20, 2016 the DA dismissed it (“pled to other charges”). Same incident date as the DWI. (Register of Actions.)
Why two numbers for one arrest? NC’s system commonly assigns separate file numbers to different charges even from the same incident; they can be filed on different days and resolved at the same hearing. (Official ACIS help: “multiple charges … in different case file numbers … even if the charges arose out of the same incident.”)
NC Court System
3) What the sentence language actually means0 without proving he was part of inpatient “rehab”
Level 5 DWI is the lowest level; jail time is often suspended in favor of probation and conditions.
UNC School of Government
The Misdemeanant Confinement Program (SMCP) entry is a custody placeholder—the agency that would house a person if active time were to be served but does not guarantee time is being served.
North Carolina Sheriffs Association
North Carolina General Assembly
Assessment/Treatment required: In NC, anyone convicted of DWI must complete a substance-use assessment and education/treatment as recommended. With a BAC ≥ 0.15, ignition interlock and higher-level education/treatment (beyond basic ADETS) typically apply for license restoration. That’s standard DWI compliance.
NC DHHS
North Carolina General Assembly
The docket shows required assessment/treatment and license conditions typical for a BAC of 0.16—but no explicit "inpatient" admission- though to the broader point about some form of counseling, assessment, therapy etc —that treatment was definitely in the mix.
4) How these pieces depict the landscape at a high level
Indoor stop implied by frozen dinners -> boosts the chance of voluntary lay-low, meet-up, maybe an indoor county/state mandated program stemming from the charges.
“Nobody can help me” (as reported on TV/threads) is classic hopelessness/avoidance language after legal trouble- consistent with non-criminal outcomes (withdrawal, risk-taking, self-harm) and less consistent with stranger abduction.
Nine years of no verified sightings/transactions + Boone’s terrain/water hazards still keep accidental death in play, even if the accident happened after time spent indoors cooking frozen dinners?
Sources / References
Frozen dinners phrasing (archived Winston-Salem Journal, Apr 24, 2021): “Why did he only appear to pack frozen dinners …?”
Wayback Machine
DWI Level 5 sentencing overview (UNC School of Government excerpt).
UNC School of Government
Misdemeanant Confinement Program (NC Sheriffs’ Association; NC General Assembly brief).
North Carolina Sheriffs Association
North Carolina General Assembly
DWI assessment/education/treatment & ADETS (NC DHHS pages).
NC DHHS
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Ignition interlock after BAC ≥ .15 (G.S. 20-17.8; NCDMV guidance; UNC SOG).
North Carolina General Assembly
ncdot.gov
UNC School of Government
Multiple case numbers from one incident (NC Courts ACIS help).
NC Court System
I'lll aggregate additional items soon.
Wanted to take a quick moment and start consolidating information about the case for quick reference later. Obviously, I welcome any corrections or additions to my work here so if i have misreported anything, please let me know and lets get the record amended as it were. All in all I will take a few points in each post and sort of discuss what I've found in terms of investigative progress.
Why post this? A lot of details get repeated from memory. Below I’ve pulled together a few items I could document directly- so we’re all working from the same sheet of music. Wherever possible, I cite primary or authoritative sources.
1) Groceries / "Frozen dinners"
A 2021 Winston-Salem Journal feature on the 5-year mark poses a core question in its timeline: "Why did he only appear to pack frozen dinners with him when he left his apartment that day?" (archived). This firmly places the frozen dinners detail in mainstream reporting, not just forum lore.
Wayback Machine
Related: Investigation Discovery’s Disappeared coverage (and multiple recaps) say Martin went grocery shopping the day before and there was no food left in his fridge, implying he took food with him, though they don’t specify the type. (Consistent with the above.)
UNC School of Government
So what? “Frozen dinners” implies is he intended access to a freezer/microwave shortly after leaving- i.e., an indoor stop first- and makes a direct, "gearless" backcountry hike less likely that same hour. It doesn’t rule out a later outdoor accident; but does muddy the waters as it were when trying to reconcile him intending on an outdoor hike or other outdoor destination. What it certainly does is gives is a reason to believe he intended on being around long enough to be hungry and at a location he could access a microwave.
2) The August 2015 court cases — what they actually were
Using the court registers (case printouts), here's what those two case numbers mean:
15CR051060-940 — DWI (G.S. 20-138.1) Level 5, BAC 0.16; plus a companion “Drive after consuming, <21” count (G.S. 20-138.3). On Jan 20, 2016: DWI guilty; the <21 count had judgment arrested. Sentence: 60 days noted to the Misdemeanant Confinement Program (MCP) suspended, 12 months unsupervised probation, community service credited, fees, license conditions, and substance-use assessment/treatment (some already completed). (Source: Register of Actions, user-provided PDFs.)
15CR000721-940 — Underage possession of alcohol (G.S. 18B-302(b)(1)); filed 08/12/2015. On Jan 20, 2016 the DA dismissed it (“pled to other charges”). Same incident date as the DWI. (Register of Actions.)
Why two numbers for one arrest? NC’s system commonly assigns separate file numbers to different charges even from the same incident; they can be filed on different days and resolved at the same hearing. (Official ACIS help: “multiple charges … in different case file numbers … even if the charges arose out of the same incident.”)
NC Court System
3) What the sentence language actually means0 without proving he was part of inpatient “rehab”
Level 5 DWI is the lowest level; jail time is often suspended in favor of probation and conditions.
UNC School of Government
The Misdemeanant Confinement Program (SMCP) entry is a custody placeholder—the agency that would house a person if active time were to be served but does not guarantee time is being served.
North Carolina Sheriffs Association
North Carolina General Assembly
Assessment/Treatment required: In NC, anyone convicted of DWI must complete a substance-use assessment and education/treatment as recommended. With a BAC ≥ 0.15, ignition interlock and higher-level education/treatment (beyond basic ADETS) typically apply for license restoration. That’s standard DWI compliance.
NC DHHS
North Carolina General Assembly
The docket shows required assessment/treatment and license conditions typical for a BAC of 0.16—but no explicit "inpatient" admission- though to the broader point about some form of counseling, assessment, therapy etc —that treatment was definitely in the mix.
4) How these pieces depict the landscape at a high level
Indoor stop implied by frozen dinners -> boosts the chance of voluntary lay-low, meet-up, maybe an indoor county/state mandated program stemming from the charges.
“Nobody can help me” (as reported on TV/threads) is classic hopelessness/avoidance language after legal trouble- consistent with non-criminal outcomes (withdrawal, risk-taking, self-harm) and less consistent with stranger abduction.
Nine years of no verified sightings/transactions + Boone’s terrain/water hazards still keep accidental death in play, even if the accident happened after time spent indoors cooking frozen dinners?
Sources / References
Frozen dinners phrasing (archived Winston-Salem Journal, Apr 24, 2021): “Why did he only appear to pack frozen dinners …?”
Wayback Machine
DWI Level 5 sentencing overview (UNC School of Government excerpt).
UNC School of Government
Misdemeanant Confinement Program (NC Sheriffs’ Association; NC General Assembly brief).
North Carolina Sheriffs Association
North Carolina General Assembly
DWI assessment/education/treatment & ADETS (NC DHHS pages).
NC DHHS
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Ignition interlock after BAC ≥ .15 (G.S. 20-17.8; NCDMV guidance; UNC SOG).
North Carolina General Assembly
ncdot.gov
UNC School of Government
Multiple case numbers from one incident (NC Courts ACIS help).
NC Court System
I'lll aggregate additional items soon.
Highlighting additional elements that may have driven the early timeline or narrow viable early scenarios. As before, if I've misstated anything, please correct me so I can amend my errors. Wherever possible I'm trying to lean on sourced material. That said, I can become quickly sidetracked by chains of reasoning so I apologize in advance when I stray from fact based reporting to speculative what "if" scenarios. It's a way for me to look at data from multiple points of view and I'm sure it shows up in my dissertations 
In preparing this post I can tell it's going to another wall of text and even after compressing my myriad concepts, I'll run very long with them. So, in addition to this, I will sort of regurgitate a summary in a third post so if you want to skip these last two WOT's, you can go directly to the next one. There are some very long shot things I think LE or other involved folks can do to clarify some of the longstanding scenarios. Granted, not much can be acocmplished so far removed from the original missing date but just maybe something jumps out of the bushes when the right question is asked of the right person.
In contiuation of my last post here are the additional concepts with a quick "So what?" on why it matters for sequence and search.
5) Bus-stop crossroads (did not board)
What's documented: Around 12:30 pm Thu 4 / 21 / 2016 he's confirmed near the Rivers St / US-321 AppalCART stop by Holmes / Convocation—and reports from the time say he did not get on the bus.
So what? The first move is on foot or a curbside pick-up, not public transit. That keeps the initial radius local unless there was a pre-arranged ride.
6) Two stated destinations in two hours (library -> fraternity house)
What's documented: At ~10:30 am he reportedly told roommates he was going to the library. Later, at the stop, he told a cousin he was headed to the fraternity house and he didn't arrive at either.
So what? That's a late plan change or a cover story for a different meet-up- strengthens the "assisted handoff near the stop" possibilities.
7) The note + the "left-behind" bundle
What's documented: A handwritten note has been described publicly as regret / "leaving everyone behind" (not labeled a suicide note). He left his phone, bank card, passport, and laptop in the apartment.
So what? Signals voluntary departure but without the tools to go far or transact. Any longer relocation implies assistance.
8) No personal vehicle access
What's documented: Case summaries specify he didn't have access to a car that day.
So what? Movement is limited to foot, bus, or someone else's vehicle- again nudging "curb pick-up" variants.
9) No early "signs of life"
What's documented: Within weeks, police reported no confirmable financial transactions or social-media activity, while land / water searches were already extensive.
So what? This pushes against a sustained, resource-heavy "new life elsewhere" unless third-party funded.
10) Trout Lake reports drove heavy search- no results
What's documented: Two same-day Trout Lake sightings triggered drags, HRD dogs, and aviation / IR sweeps; nothing was located.
So what? If those were misattributed, early effort may have been pulled away from the campus-adjacent corridor where he actually was last verified.
11) Pre-event academic disengagement
What's documented: He reportedly wasn't logging into classes for roughly a month before 4 / 21.
So what? Suggests pre-event withdrawal, not a pure same-day impulse.
12) Clothing / backpack consistency
What's documented: Black short-sleeve App State windbreaker, khaki shorts, gray New Balance shoes, backpack (some outlets add a white visor).
So what? A backpack supports some groceries / papers, but not a wilderness kit—fits a short hop to an indoor venue over a same-hour gearless hike.
13) Still planning a fall return to App State
What's documented: Reports say grades at Caldwell CC improved and he planned to return to App State that fall.
So what? Indicates near-term intent, which pushes back against a long-preplanned permanent vanish (doesn't rule out a short-horizon crisis).
14) "Fresh-eyes" cycles and file modernization
What's documented: Later reviews (including Team Adam assistance) and digitization of the case file.
So what? Reduces the odds that first-order leads (obvious cameras, routine contacts) were totally missed; favors place-specific asks (archived stills, desk memories, yes / no freezer checks).
Where these new points leave the first 90 minutes
Initial movement is local (on foot or picked up) with a high likelihood of a nearby indoor waypoint before any later outcome.
Assisted walk-away variants (friend / ally pick-up; meet-and-ride to a kitchen; meet a counselor / mentor) stay live; "immediate solo hike" looks weaker.
The best next steps remain place-level: one freezer confirmation / denial, one doorway still of backpack + grocery bags, one AppalCART memory of where a rider like that hopped off.
One thing I can't stop thinking about is a reference I heard or read about Martin researching US Marine recruitment options. I can't remember where I picked that up so I don't want to overplay it's importance, but if it's true, then Martin was pretty serious about making a large life change and finding new work. Does anyone have any knowledge of this or am I maybe, amalgamating cases here?
Sources / references
Charley Project summary and contemporary local reporting (last confirmed near Rivers / 321; not boarding; items left).
Disappeared episode + reputable recaps (library -> fraternity-house statements; cousin at the stop).
Winston-Salem Journal, five-year feature (Trout Lake reports; case overview).
NCMEC poster for clothing / backpack details.
AppalCART route context for Rivers / 321 hub and corridor reach.
Public LE statements re: early lack of financial / social activity.
Family / media comments on plans to return to App State.
In preparing this post I can tell it's going to another wall of text and even after compressing my myriad concepts, I'll run very long with them. So, in addition to this, I will sort of regurgitate a summary in a third post so if you want to skip these last two WOT's, you can go directly to the next one. There are some very long shot things I think LE or other involved folks can do to clarify some of the longstanding scenarios. Granted, not much can be acocmplished so far removed from the original missing date but just maybe something jumps out of the bushes when the right question is asked of the right person.
In contiuation of my last post here are the additional concepts with a quick "So what?" on why it matters for sequence and search.
5) Bus-stop crossroads (did not board)
What's documented: Around 12:30 pm Thu 4 / 21 / 2016 he's confirmed near the Rivers St / US-321 AppalCART stop by Holmes / Convocation—and reports from the time say he did not get on the bus.
So what? The first move is on foot or a curbside pick-up, not public transit. That keeps the initial radius local unless there was a pre-arranged ride.
6) Two stated destinations in two hours (library -> fraternity house)
What's documented: At ~10:30 am he reportedly told roommates he was going to the library. Later, at the stop, he told a cousin he was headed to the fraternity house and he didn't arrive at either.
So what? That's a late plan change or a cover story for a different meet-up- strengthens the "assisted handoff near the stop" possibilities.
7) The note + the "left-behind" bundle
What's documented: A handwritten note has been described publicly as regret / "leaving everyone behind" (not labeled a suicide note). He left his phone, bank card, passport, and laptop in the apartment.
So what? Signals voluntary departure but without the tools to go far or transact. Any longer relocation implies assistance.
8) No personal vehicle access
What's documented: Case summaries specify he didn't have access to a car that day.
So what? Movement is limited to foot, bus, or someone else's vehicle- again nudging "curb pick-up" variants.
9) No early "signs of life"
What's documented: Within weeks, police reported no confirmable financial transactions or social-media activity, while land / water searches were already extensive.
So what? This pushes against a sustained, resource-heavy "new life elsewhere" unless third-party funded.
10) Trout Lake reports drove heavy search- no results
What's documented: Two same-day Trout Lake sightings triggered drags, HRD dogs, and aviation / IR sweeps; nothing was located.
So what? If those were misattributed, early effort may have been pulled away from the campus-adjacent corridor where he actually was last verified.
11) Pre-event academic disengagement
What's documented: He reportedly wasn't logging into classes for roughly a month before 4 / 21.
So what? Suggests pre-event withdrawal, not a pure same-day impulse.
12) Clothing / backpack consistency
What's documented: Black short-sleeve App State windbreaker, khaki shorts, gray New Balance shoes, backpack (some outlets add a white visor).
So what? A backpack supports some groceries / papers, but not a wilderness kit—fits a short hop to an indoor venue over a same-hour gearless hike.
13) Still planning a fall return to App State
What's documented: Reports say grades at Caldwell CC improved and he planned to return to App State that fall.
So what? Indicates near-term intent, which pushes back against a long-preplanned permanent vanish (doesn't rule out a short-horizon crisis).
14) "Fresh-eyes" cycles and file modernization
What's documented: Later reviews (including Team Adam assistance) and digitization of the case file.
So what? Reduces the odds that first-order leads (obvious cameras, routine contacts) were totally missed; favors place-specific asks (archived stills, desk memories, yes / no freezer checks).
Where these new points leave the first 90 minutes
Initial movement is local (on foot or picked up) with a high likelihood of a nearby indoor waypoint before any later outcome.
Assisted walk-away variants (friend / ally pick-up; meet-and-ride to a kitchen; meet a counselor / mentor) stay live; "immediate solo hike" looks weaker.
The best next steps remain place-level: one freezer confirmation / denial, one doorway still of backpack + grocery bags, one AppalCART memory of where a rider like that hopped off.
One thing I can't stop thinking about is a reference I heard or read about Martin researching US Marine recruitment options. I can't remember where I picked that up so I don't want to overplay it's importance, but if it's true, then Martin was pretty serious about making a large life change and finding new work. Does anyone have any knowledge of this or am I maybe, amalgamating cases here?
Sources / references
Charley Project summary and contemporary local reporting (last confirmed near Rivers / 321; not boarding; items left).
Disappeared episode + reputable recaps (library -> fraternity-house statements; cousin at the stop).
Winston-Salem Journal, five-year feature (Trout Lake reports; case overview).
NCMEC poster for clothing / backpack details.
AppalCART route context for Rivers / 321 hub and corridor reach.
Public LE statements re: early lack of financial / social activity.
Family / media comments on plans to return to App State.
Wanted to condense the working picture into a single pass you can read fairly quickly. As always, corrections welcome-please cite a source and I'll amend my errors.
Why post this? We now have enough anchored points to stop treating the whole county as the search area. The goal here is to rank what matters most and give a short list of actions that would actually move the case.
The 6 most important elements (ranked in my opinion)
"Frozen dinners" -> Indoor stop first.
Mainstream reporting frames that he appeared to pack frozen dinners when he left. Perishables require freezer / microwave soon after leaving -> first stop is indoors, not a same-hour gearless hike.
Rivers / US-321 bus-stop crossroads (did not board).
Last confirmed near Holmes / Convocation; reports say he didn't get on the bus -> initial movement is on foot or a pick-up, radius stays local unless a car assist.
Two stated destinations (library -> fraternity house), neither reached.
Within ~2 hours, he voiced two different endpoints and arrived at neither -> likely late plan change or a cover for a different meet-up at / near the stop.
Note + "left-behind" bundle.
A non-explicit note plus phone, ATM card, passport, laptop left -> voluntary departure without tools to transact or travel far; any longer relocation implies assistance.
No early "signs of life."
LE publicly noted no confirmable financial / social hits early on -> weighs against a funded, sustained new life absent third-party support.
Trout Lake reports drove heavy search, produced nothing.
If those sightings were misattributed, they pulled focus away from the campus-adjacent corridor where he was actually last verified.
Context that shapes the above: no vehicle access that day, pre-event academic disengagement, backpack (light) kit, and stated plan to return to App State later-all consistent with a short-horizon, local move first, then a second step that determined the outcome.
The working model (short)
Step 1 (first 30–90 minutes):
Rivers / 321 -> indoor waypoint with freezer / microwave (friend / house-share, short-stay, semi-public kitchen, counseling / faith venue).
Step 2 (later that day / night):
Outcome determined by what happened after that waypoint-
Possibilities:
a. Accident in the nearby micro-hazard belt (culverts, creek slabs, retaining walls, ravines behind complexes).
b. Assisted lay-low (short-term couch).
c. Self-harm (local vantage / water / height).
d. Other (rare without anchors; e.g., foul play).
Branch assessment (why)
a. Accident after indoor stop - plausible: short night walks from student housing are where hidden falls happen; Trout Lake search results don't disprove this elsewhere.
b. Assisted lay-low - possible but time-limited: nine years with zero anchors makes long-term sheltering unlikely unless a very small circle knows something.
c. Self-harm - plausible: hopelessness language + left-behind items, but not proven; would still be local to the waypoint.
d. Foul play - low baseline absent conflict / forensics / transactions.
What would move the case the fastest (one "yes / no" each)
Freezer confirmation (friends / house-shares / semi-public kitchens):
"Did he stash frozen meals at your place around Apr 20–22, 2016?"
Yes -> we draw a micro-hazard belt outward from that address and work it hard.
No (from multiple addresses) -> corridor narrows by elimination.
Doorway still (not DVR) near Rivers / 321 or a target complex:
Look for backpack + grocery bags. Even one still frames route and time.
Bus corridor memory (residents / students/ drivers / dispatch)- prior to being seen near the bus, did he ride it earlier? Had he been a regular on the bus and follow a pattern of "hop on" / "hop off" locations? Did anyone ever remembers day of our previous day bus rides?
Property managers / short-stay along 321:
On or around Thu Apr 21, 2016, do you have any archived still photos (newsletter / marketing, not DVR) showing a student-aged male with backpack + grocery bags at your front / breezeway doors? A single "yes" or "no" helps us narrow the corridor.
Friends / house-shares / semi-public kitchens:
Quick yes / no: Did Martin stash frozen meals at your place Apr 20-22, 2016?
AppalCART drivers / dispatch:
Do you recall a rider that week with backpack + grocery bags at Rivers & 321-and which stop he exited?
Short-stay front desks (321 corridor):
Any memory / log of a check-in with grocery bags and no cooler on 4 / 20–4 / 22?
SSID / DHCP association screenshots for likely addresses around the date (blur unrelated names).
Commentary:
Assisted walk-away by a known person (couch + freezer) is the assisted scenario that best fits the constraints.
What would falsify our working model
A verified bus ride out of the corridor the same hour (contradicts "did not board").
Proof he didn't handle frozen meals (contradicts the mainstream report).
A multi-day verified stay far from Rivers / 321 without an indoor waypoint first.
Bottom line
The first hour is not a hike; it's an indoor waypoint near Rivers / 321. Find that waypoint-or conclusively rule out the obvious ones-and the search collapses from "everywhere" to a walkable belt where real things can be checked on the ground.
I think at this point I want a map of the timeline with stats and top layers. I'll work on that next.
Why post this? We now have enough anchored points to stop treating the whole county as the search area. The goal here is to rank what matters most and give a short list of actions that would actually move the case.
The 6 most important elements (ranked in my opinion)
"Frozen dinners" -> Indoor stop first.
Mainstream reporting frames that he appeared to pack frozen dinners when he left. Perishables require freezer / microwave soon after leaving -> first stop is indoors, not a same-hour gearless hike.
Rivers / US-321 bus-stop crossroads (did not board).
Last confirmed near Holmes / Convocation; reports say he didn't get on the bus -> initial movement is on foot or a pick-up, radius stays local unless a car assist.
Two stated destinations (library -> fraternity house), neither reached.
Within ~2 hours, he voiced two different endpoints and arrived at neither -> likely late plan change or a cover for a different meet-up at / near the stop.
Note + "left-behind" bundle.
A non-explicit note plus phone, ATM card, passport, laptop left -> voluntary departure without tools to transact or travel far; any longer relocation implies assistance.
No early "signs of life."
LE publicly noted no confirmable financial / social hits early on -> weighs against a funded, sustained new life absent third-party support.
Trout Lake reports drove heavy search, produced nothing.
If those sightings were misattributed, they pulled focus away from the campus-adjacent corridor where he was actually last verified.
Context that shapes the above: no vehicle access that day, pre-event academic disengagement, backpack (light) kit, and stated plan to return to App State later-all consistent with a short-horizon, local move first, then a second step that determined the outcome.
The working model (short)
Step 1 (first 30–90 minutes):
Rivers / 321 -> indoor waypoint with freezer / microwave (friend / house-share, short-stay, semi-public kitchen, counseling / faith venue).
Step 2 (later that day / night):
Outcome determined by what happened after that waypoint-
Possibilities:
a. Accident in the nearby micro-hazard belt (culverts, creek slabs, retaining walls, ravines behind complexes).
b. Assisted lay-low (short-term couch).
c. Self-harm (local vantage / water / height).
d. Other (rare without anchors; e.g., foul play).
Branch assessment (why)
a. Accident after indoor stop - plausible: short night walks from student housing are where hidden falls happen; Trout Lake search results don't disprove this elsewhere.
b. Assisted lay-low - possible but time-limited: nine years with zero anchors makes long-term sheltering unlikely unless a very small circle knows something.
c. Self-harm - plausible: hopelessness language + left-behind items, but not proven; would still be local to the waypoint.
d. Foul play - low baseline absent conflict / forensics / transactions.
What would move the case the fastest (one "yes / no" each)
Freezer confirmation (friends / house-shares / semi-public kitchens):
"Did he stash frozen meals at your place around Apr 20–22, 2016?"
Yes -> we draw a micro-hazard belt outward from that address and work it hard.
No (from multiple addresses) -> corridor narrows by elimination.
Doorway still (not DVR) near Rivers / 321 or a target complex:
Look for backpack + grocery bags. Even one still frames route and time.
Bus corridor memory (residents / students/ drivers / dispatch)- prior to being seen near the bus, did he ride it earlier? Had he been a regular on the bus and follow a pattern of "hop on" / "hop off" locations? Did anyone ever remembers day of our previous day bus rides?
Property managers / short-stay along 321:
On or around Thu Apr 21, 2016, do you have any archived still photos (newsletter / marketing, not DVR) showing a student-aged male with backpack + grocery bags at your front / breezeway doors? A single "yes" or "no" helps us narrow the corridor.
Friends / house-shares / semi-public kitchens:
Quick yes / no: Did Martin stash frozen meals at your place Apr 20-22, 2016?
AppalCART drivers / dispatch:
Do you recall a rider that week with backpack + grocery bags at Rivers & 321-and which stop he exited?
Short-stay front desks (321 corridor):
Any memory / log of a check-in with grocery bags and no cooler on 4 / 20–4 / 22?
SSID / DHCP association screenshots for likely addresses around the date (blur unrelated names).
Commentary:
Assisted walk-away by a known person (couch + freezer) is the assisted scenario that best fits the constraints.
What would falsify our working model
A verified bus ride out of the corridor the same hour (contradicts "did not board").
Proof he didn't handle frozen meals (contradicts the mainstream report).
A multi-day verified stay far from Rivers / 321 without an indoor waypoint first.
Bottom line
The first hour is not a hike; it's an indoor waypoint near Rivers / 321. Find that waypoint-or conclusively rule out the obvious ones-and the search collapses from "everywhere" to a walkable belt where real things can be checked on the ground.
I think at this point I want a map of the timeline with stats and top layers. I'll work on that next.
Layered interactive overlay attached. If interested you can use the map to get a visual reference for anchor points and other points of interest including rings of known search area's etc. It does required internet access to load the maps but all coordinate information is in the HTML file so if you want to scrape the code to build a different map, its there to use.
There are allot of data points on my map. Some might make sense based on known parameters of the case while others will seem a little random but follow line of questioning. If you don't like a layer or if you want to toggle from satellite to topo, those options are available.
Most important, if you find I located something incorrect or if I missed something, please let me know.
Unzip the file then view with Chrome or compatible web browser.
There are allot of data points on my map. Some might make sense based on known parameters of the case while others will seem a little random but follow line of questioning. If you don't like a layer or if you want to toggle from satellite to topo, those options are available.
Most important, if you find I located something incorrect or if I missed something, please let me know.
Unzip the file then view with Chrome or compatible web browser.
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