GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #1

[stmarysmead]

Hi all first post here. Please be gentle on me!

I have been lurking on this for a while and I am also intrigued in the Molly ‘dark years’ between high school and moving to Ireland.

So we can state that she attended Clemson for a period of time; IMO most likely a year given that she only appears one yearbook. The Meadowland Swim Team 2014 leaflet (apologies I cannot recall who linked the document above) states that she swam for Clemson. I have undertaken a search through the ClemsonTigers.com page but can find no mention of a Molly Martens in their archives. Whilst not conclusive, it makes me doubt she was ever on the team.

Emory does not seem to publish its yearbooks so it is hard to ascertain if she did attend. Again, I find it doubtful by that is just my opinion.

I do find it interesting that the family have done nothing to debunk the claim that Molly suffers from bipolar disorder. Can we therefore take this lack of rebuttal as confirmation? They seem to have no problem saying people are wrong, lying, embellishing facts etc in other scenarios but they are quiet on this subject. Given that friends of Jason as well as family state that they were told this I think that this claim is credible.

I did a bit of research and came across an interesting page on bipolar-lives.com which covers the correlation between bipolar disorder and lying. The bit that stood out to me was ‘this is why it is so typical for bipolar liars to not only express no remorse but to act as if they are actually the injured party. In their delusional state, they experience any attempt to limit their behavior (for example with the truth) as a malicious and unjustified act of control and domination. Any effort to reason with them will be perceived as manipulative, and ironically may even be perceived as selfish or cruel. They are a bright and shining star and any attempt to curb their manic behavior is a petty, jealous attack by mere mortals who resent true greatness.”

One thing that I think we are all realizing is that Ms Martens’ has a tendency to lie - and not the harmless little white lies that we are all guilty of at point or another. Her lies so far seem to suggest a 6 year old foster son, 8 year old step-daughter, that she gave birth to SC as well as being a teacher, Olympic swimmer, being pen-pals with MFC and the two degrees she suggests that she has. This is not normal behavior.

I do feel that Ms Martens has an obsession with the children. I believe that she was enraged that JC was going to take the children away from her. She knew that if JC took the children back to Europe she would not be able to enforce any subsequent contact with them.

All comments are my own opinions and I apologise if my ramblings are hard to follow.

Thank you for a wonderful, thoughtful post! Absolutely agree!

 

[stmarysmead]

@Stmarysmead the clearing of the house is rather strange to me also. The newspaper over in Ireland contacted the law firm representing her who seemed to confirm that Molly was at the property with her lawyer to remove items. I also saw on the FB page of one of her neighbours that it has been suggested to her by someone close to Molly that Molly had obtained a court order to remove her personal belongings from the property. Whether one can argue that white goods constitutes personal belongings is another story altogether.

Judges usually don't look kindly on people who consider themselves entitled to disobey or abuse (by expanding) other judges orders. Imagine the questions that could be posed at her trial..."Did you receive permission to remove just your personal items?

"Yes, but."

"Here is a list of items removed (Reads long list.) Is this list correct?"

"Yes, but."

"What made you believe that the Judge was allowing you to remove items that most obviously and specifically belong to the estate? To the children?

Gee, he could go through the whole list and nail her.

 

[emmalpage81]

Stmarysmead wholeheartedly agree. Unfortunately it appears that Molly doesn't understand the meaning of the word no. I do feel that the Courts will have to take a hard line with her soon. Her actions begger belief at times.

 

[pappa rob]

Sorry my posts don't seem to going under the ones I am replying to. Kittie , yes the Corbett family are the biggest losers in this, of course they are, and I have every sympathy for what they are going through. Their family member was murdered and the children lost their loving father. I certainly have not intended to take away from that fact. I'm merely voicing concerns about the running commentary mainly on newspaper articles which could be potentially damaging to all concerned and may cause the Corbett family to have to wait longer than anticipated to see one or both of the martens go to jail for it.

If you hit the reply with quote icon on the left hand corner you don't need to worry about that...

 

[Mountaingazer]

I heard back from my friend who was on the Clemson swimteam! She was able to get in touch with two people who started school the same year as Molly and were on the swimteam, neither one remembers her.

Apparently there were a lot of people who tried for the team that year, more so than usual. So she probably tried out, but didn't make the team. I guess the two week training /tryout period could be claimed as "swimming with the Clemson swimteam, " but I don't think she was on the actual team. Given what we've seen of her personality this was probably a huge blow to her ego, and not something Mommy & Daddy could fix for her.

 

[stmarysmead]

Thanks Mountaingazer. Great sleuthing! I think Molly's stay at Clemson was very brief.

I've been reading at the Family site and glad to learn that there may be some action to remove the children's pictures from FB. I have a strange feeling that she will not comply with this either, or try to find a way around it. I was flabbergasted to read that Molly tried to hire a plane to fly a banner to send greetings to the kids! My first thought was, is that what she's doing with the money she removed from Jason's accounts?

She seems unnaturally obsessively determined to have her way. If, by some chance, she is acquitted, I would fear for the children.

One thing that is damning to the reputation of that family is the descriptions of Jason's injuries. This was a rage killing, as many have pointed out, not an attempt to stop a situation. Someone couldn't stop killing, that's an unavoidable conclusion. No matter what excuse they use, they moved heaven and earth to put those children in the hands of someone who could not control her rage, who has no control. What kind of people would do that to children? Much less children they say they love?

My opinion only.




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[Hotchips]

@Stmarysmead the clearing of the house is rather strange to me also. The newspaper over in Ireland contacted the law firm representing her who seemed to confirm that Molly was at the property with her lawyer to remove items. I also saw on the FB page of one of her neighbours that it has been suggested to her by someone close to Molly that Molly had obtained a court order to remove her personal belongings from the property. Whether one can argue that white goods constitutes personal belongings is another story altogether.

I too have found this rather odd. i also saw the comments from the neighbour but they appear to have been removed since. If molly had indeed got a Court Order or permission, surely the Corbetts lawyers would have been aware of it and would have informed them. If the corbetts lawyers did in fact know and did not inform them, a few stern words need to be had. However i very much doubt their lawyers would be that unprofessonal . The fact that they did not appear to know anything about it means molly must have organised this on her own and more likely was not in attendance personally. Uncle mike is trying to be smart, he is playing with words. by saying she didnt hire a removal company simply means that they organised the movers and the vehicles themselves privately and did not pay a professional removal company however he did not say this straight out. It is very possible uncle mike was not aware. He lives in Florida I believe so he would not be privy to Mollys day to day activities. if so, he may have to reconsider his position as her spokeman. that particular newspaper is the daily mail and not known for its accuracy....they like to sensationalise. i saw somewhere that a poster thought the quote of what the paralegal said had been quoted before in relation to the time the childrens belongings were to be collected as mollys lawyer was indeed at the property that day so this quote may or may not be accurate and had been rehashed however I am open to correction on this. the daily mail dont post their articles online so unless you actually physically buy the newspapers, there is no way of checking what they have said from any other source. Also, what did the movers tell the cops when they came to check it out... they must have had something to show them as a neighbour said the cops left after a few minutes after speaking with someone at the property. for all the cops knew those people could have been burgling the house.

I am also wondering about the four months between the murder and the date when they cops actually obtained a search warrant to go into the house. why the delay..... molly and her friend sara were pouring their hearts out a while back about packing up all the childrens clothes and toys and posted photos of items in the house and in the garage... this post has since been removed so i cant check when it exactly was but I think it may have been in November sometime. If they had access to the house prior to the police going in, they could have removed items which were perhaps of evidential value. the cops were going in to look for evidence of the baseball equipment. in the warrants it states they removed photos and SD cards but no mention of the equipment bag from the garage. was this removed immediately in August or where did it disapear to?

 

[kittythehare]

Thanks Stephen.. Yeah.. thats what I was thinking about too.. the additional expenses incurred with this latest court order.. its as you said..almost a malicious attempt to cause them more expense, more fear and more trouble.
I wish I could understand the legals involved.. in the entire case.. what process brought the charge of murder 1 to 2? All the warrants had classified it as Murder1.
Did some process of plea bargaining take place and on what grounds?
Should be public records?
There is indeed a group of people who are trying very hard to censor relevant facts. I wonder what their motives are? I wonder who they are, behind the fake profiles?
I agree, its imperative we get hold of her history, her family history, her mum's history..
Thanks Stephen.

 

[emmalpage81]

I too have found this rather odd. i also saw the comments from the neighbour but they appear to have been removed since. If molly had indeed got a Court Order or permission, surely the Corbetts lawyers would have been aware of it and would have informed them. If the corbetts lawyers did in fact know and did not inform them, a few stern words need to be had. However i very much doubt their lawyers would be that unprofessonal . The fact that they did not appear to know anything about it means molly must have organised this on her own and more likely was not in attendance personally. Uncle mike is trying to be smart, he is playing with words. by saying she didnt hire a removal company simply means that they organised the movers and the vehicles themselves privately and did not pay a professional removal company however he did not say this straight out. It is very possible uncle mike was not aware. He lives in Florida I believe so he would not be privy to Mollys day to day activities. if so, he may have to reconsider his position as her spokeman. that particular newspaper is the daily mail and not known for its accuracy....they like to sensationalise. i saw somewhere that a poster thought the quote of what the paralegal said had been quoted before in relation to the time the childrens belongings were to be collected as mollys lawyer was indeed at the property that day so this quote may or may not be accurate and had been rehashed however I am open to correction on this. the daily mail dont post their articles online so unless you actually physically buy the newspapers, there is no way of checking what they have said from any other source. Also, what did the movers tell the cops when they came to check it out... they must have had something to show them as a neighbour said the cops left after a few minutes after speaking with someone at the property. for all the cops knew those people could have been burgling the house.

I am also wondering about the four months between the murder and the date when they cops actually obtained a search warrant to go into the house. why the delay..... molly and her friend sara were pouring their hearts out a while back about packing up all the childrens clothes and toys and posted photos of items in the house and in the garage... this post has since been removed so i cant check when it exactly was but I think it may have been in November sometime. If they had access to the house prior to the police going in, they could have removed items which were perhaps of evidential value. the cops were going in to look for evidence of the baseball equipment. in the warrants it states they removed photos and SD cards but no mention of the equipment bag from the garage. was this removed immediately in August or where did it disapear to?

I had wondered if the delay in getting this search warrant was due to the conversation that JC had with his counsellor? I could be wrong about that but you are right, four months is quite a long time to obtain a search warrant for a property.

I just had a quick look back at the facebook page, the post you refer to is still there. It is dated 23 December so after the date of the police search and states that she had tried to hand items over 'on Monday' which would have been 21 December. She does mention that TL and DL had 'broken into' the house the preceding week.

I don't 'think' the paralegal confused the dates. TL and DL attended at the property to collect JC and SC's belongings on 6 January. MM was granted bail on 5 January and left for Knoxville - we know on 6 January she was photographed out for a meal with the family in Knoxville so she couldn't have been present in NC on the 6th.

I don't think that the Corbett family lawyers would withhold an order for items to be taken from the house from the family. However i'm not sure if MM's lawyer would be required to tell them (the lawyers) if she was only removing her own belongings? The fact that on 6 January her lawyers refused TL and DL access to the house (even though DL is executor of JC's will) makes me think that they are not exactly playing nice.

However, the fact that M Earnest never mentioned any court order makes me think this is just another lie being used by MM. I would be much more inclined to believe a neighbour than ME who seems to struggle with the truth himself at times.

Again this is just my own opinion.

 

[stephanddoody]

Mollys swim times not even best on her team so probably never on Clemson team I can only find her in back stroke no other section


https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...-e_4fHvYwUbSogdy992uMw&bvm=bv.112454388,d.ZWU
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[stephanddoody]

Also maybe the members from the same team would be ones to look for .Was she fiercely competitive .How did she handle losing and not being the best

 

[kittythehare]

check this out..http://www.mocavo.com/Clemson-University-Yearbook-Taps-2003/851502/300

 

[stephanddoody]

Thanks Stephandoody for clearing some things up.

I am not one of those who consider Molly's family to be one of influence or importance. Her Father is essentially a middle manager type guy in a huge Federal organization. Over 35,000 people work for the FBI. Additionally, this was a local police matter, not an FBI matter. Obviously the police sought an indictment and got it. It's hard to imagine how the Martens can explain away that autopsy report when neither of them had a scratch.

But, that being said, I'm amazed to read at the Family site about the emptying of the house! Is it true that the house and contents were sealed by a judge? If so, why would Molly's lawyers allow her to do such a thing, especially pre-trial, when she needs all the goodwill she can get?

I'm thinking that her attorneys did not allow it. I think Molly went off the rails again on her own. Was the Uncle lying about her whereabouts? Could be. Or it could be that he was sucked into one of her lies and she is now taking the Uncles credibility down with hers.

Credibility is so important to her defense. Also, the idea that Molly is a defenseless "victim."

But if she is defying judges orders, she sure seems fearless and out of control. If her Uncle is caught lying about her whereabouts, there goes any credibility for him to support her abuse stories at trial.

I believe that Molly is very troubled. I think none of them can control her. She cannot control herself. I think she will continue to damage herself.

One question. Did Jason have a good relationship with the Martens in previous years?

Yes I think Molly would have been allowed to take her personal belongings the other things I would thing she shouldn't have taken but I also feel David Lynch is the executor of the will and should have been present or at least made aware that items were to be removed. He could have then had a witness present for the exchange but they weren't made aware . The prior relationship im unsure of Tom himself said that they went golfing together and there are pictures of bbq etc not something you would expect to see if knowing as stated "they knew about abuse in 2014".
I agree I don't think they can control her, her off the rails post sometimes was the reason I think they brought her to knoxville from the brothers house . If she tries any form of contact which includes posting pictures on fb or insta she will revoke her bail conditions thus losing the money which I assume the parents paid . I personally feel she is too selfish to do so

 

[emmalpage81]

Mollys swim times not even best on her team so probably never on Clemson team I can only find her in back stroke no other section


https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...-e_4fHvYwUbSogdy992uMw&bvm=bv.112454388,d.ZWU
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...flK11dggJTIbivGmZlc4RQ&bvm=bv.112454388,d.ZWU

This seems to confirm what Mountaingazer found out from her contact. She was not swimming for the Clemson Team. Just another fantasy. One would wonder though, would they not have thought to check this out when she applied to become a swim coach? Maybe she is just very persuasive?

 

[emmalpage81]

Yes I think Molly would have been allowed to take her personal belongings the other things I would thing she shouldn't have taken but I also feel David Lynch is the executor of the will and should have been present or at least made aware that items were to be removed. He could have then had a witness present for the exchange but they weren't made aware . The prior relationship im unsure of Tom himself said that they went golfing together and there are pictures of bbq etc not something you would expect to see if knowing as stated "they knew about abuse in 2014".
I agree I don't think they can control her, her off the rails post sometimes was the reason I think they brought her to knoxville from the brothers house . If she tries any form of contact which includes posting pictures on fb or insta she will revoke her bail conditions thus losing the money which I assume the parents paid . I personally feel she is too selfish to do so

I had been wondering about the prior relationship. I found it rather odd that TM did not know the age of his son-in-law? I know it is not a major priority to some but I would have a pretty good idea of the ages of those in my extended family. MM's postings seem to suggest a great deal of time being spent with her family which - one would assume - JC would have been present at.

 

[stephanddoody]

Also was looking at Mollys pics . The ones of the clothes I never looked at did ye notice she has the empty cover of a baseball bat on top of clothes with Jacks name written on it . Why do that. Did she assume that those pictures would be shown to him to confirm they were his things . I found that very vicious in a sneaky kind of way maybe Im reading into it 2 much

 

[stephanddoody]

I heard back from my friend who was on the Clemson swimteam! She was able to get in touch with two people who started school the same year as Molly and were on the swimteam, neither one remembers her.

Apparently there were a lot of people who tried for the team that year, more so than usual. So she probably tried out, but didn't make the team. I guess the two week training /tryout period could be claimed as "swimming with the Clemson swimteam, " but I don't think she was on the actual team. Given what we've seen of her personality this was probably a huge blow to her ego, and not something Mommy & Daddy could fix for her.

I think we are all in the wrong jobs great work

 

[stmarysmead]

Strange indeed. If Molly was going to be allowed to access the house, surely the Court would allow Jason's family to have a representative there, so there would be no dispute.

Did Jason ever tell his family anything about Molly's background? Do they know whether he used an agency to employ her or was it an ad in the paper? If she was with an agency, they might have info on her previous "jobs."

I worry more about possible unintended incompetence than "influence." Look at the infamous Jon Benet case when a small police department handles a murder when it's a rarity in their community. Did the cops just think they had two people confessing to the homicide; they had the bat and the stone; the people in the house were not strangers whose DNA or fingerprints they needed. Maybe they felt there was t much to solve.

Thankfully they interviewed the children. And no doubt have photos that show no injuries. The case will hinge on the credibility of Molly and her Father. It will hinge on her claims of justifiable homicide because if abuse. I think she's going to have a tough job with that. No injuries, the FB pages of the good life that she removed, and all her history as a liar.

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[stmarysmead]

"Swim coach" can mean as little as she was a volunteer for one of the kids teams. Molly seems to "inflate" everything. I think in her mind and her Mother's not letting her adopt the children was "emotional abuse." Probably not getting her way over this with Jason caused more tantrums and outbursts, which just made Jason more certain that she could not be trusted with the kids.

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[Frizby]

Hi all, been reading this thread for a while but was having a problem registering.

You know, a lot of the support MM has gained has been via her posts on her Facebook page. She has painted herself to be the perfect 'mom' backing it all up with beautiful pictures, all smiles, reminiscing days gone by in a perfect world. Sure, she did nothing wrong, she is the wronged person in all this. A couple of her other posts however are demonising the "Guardians", accusing them of breaking into her house, rifling through her bedside locker, her underwear drawer, sure what would she be hiding in her underwear drawer that could be of any interest to the "Guardians". Accusing them of stealing pictures whilst playing the hard done by card saying she would have gladly given them copies. She first does this on 18th December, she does it subtlety within a larger post, the response to this post must have given her great comfort, after all people were actually believing her but they really were not hitting on the "break-in" accusation. But the seed was planted. So on the 23rd she goes even further, dedicates the whole post to it, the responses are unbelievable. She must have been thrilled, now she really has everyone on her side.

However, what she fails to mention in either of these post or in any other is that a Search Warrant was executed on 4th December by law enforcement officers on the entire premises including garage. As no-one was home at time of executions, a copy of the warrant detailing items seized, which includes photos, was left at the premises, this is confirmed on said Warrant. I suspect that the officers had to 'break-in' to gain access & that they also rifled through everything to carry out their search.

In my opinion she has fooled a lot of people into supporting her, I think some will get a big wake up call when all the details come out.