GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #1

[ALansby]

Posting for the first time, after spending a few hours reading through this forum. I have been fascinated by this case and so I'm very glad to find a place where it is discussed so thoroughly.
A few things: I have seen that Mona Earnest, among others, is one of the Martens relatives sharing photos of the Corbett children on FB. Unlike Molly and her mother, she is keeping her FB page open for comments, so the Corbett family and representatives are strenuously asking her to remove the public cover photo of herself and her husband (the same FBI uncle who has spoken on Molly's behalf and searched Jason's office after his death) with the children in front of a Christmas tree. Significantly, the photo was only shared late in 2015, but surely any Christmas photos with the kids would have been from 2014 or earlier? The caption of the photo says that Mona and her husband are with their "great-niece and great-nephew". Yesterday, I saw that someone from the Corbett family put an extremely legal post on the FB page about how the page was being investigated for child endangerment, and asking people to comment saying where they had seen other photos of the children. That post has now been removed, yet the Earnest family is leaving up other messages from the Corbett family. I think they are purposely taunting the Corbetts with this page so they can save any malicious messages. However, even the worst messages (while inappropriate) don't come close to what they are doing by violating the childrens' privacy and taunting a grieving family. So I don't see how this will work in the Martens' favour, but it seems like the only reason they are putting these photos out there and encouraging messages is to present the Corbetts as trolls.

Secondly, after reading through your evidence and speculation, I have come up with my own hypothesis - speculation only... I think we have a couple where the husband is undramatic and likes to smooth over any altercation, and a wife who is highly dramatic and confrontational, and she becomes especially frantic when she feels she's losing control. On Friday night, she taunts him once too often, so he quietly tweaks his travel plans. The next night after their casual get-together, they have some other confrontation and he announces that he's leaving for Ireland with the children - nothing to argue about any more, their marriage is over. He goes to bed at about 10pm, she's awake and fuming. She calls her parents and raises the alarm that something terrible has happened; they jump in the car and start the 4.5 hour journey to her place. She is still so angry and frantic that she goes to wherever the kids are staying and hauls them back home at 11pm. Once the kids are settled and asleep again, she is still pacing and fuming, alone in the house and getting angrier. Meanwhile Jason is still asleep until approximately 2am, when maybe he wakes up to go to the toilet. He's groggy and disoriented, not properly awake and she hears him and goes into the bedroom to attack him with the baseball bat. Once he falls to the floor, she keeps beating at him with the stone. By the time her parents arrive (approx 2.30 am), either she is still savagely attacking him or has only just stopped. Her parents take in the situation, and realize the attack is so savage, the only "excuse" could be self-defense, and it will sound better if they say the father did it. It takes them half an hour to get their story straight and ensure Jason is truly dead, and then the father calls the police. The mother disappears into a spare bedroom to lend credence to the idea that they were staying over.

Welcome! I agree I can completely see things unfolding the way you describe.

 

[wildebeest]

Have any of you heard about MM dying Jack's hair, blond? It is obvious in some of the photos. Guess she was trying to make people believe she was his mother?

IMHO

 

[Electric Sheep]

Have any of you heard about MM dying Jack's hair, blond? It is obvious in some of the photos. Guess she was trying to make people believe she was his mother?

IMHO

Has anyone actually said that mm dyed Jack's hair, or is it speculation based on photos? Summer hair can be much lighter than winter hair, sun and swimming can have an effect.

 

[Hotchips]

Has anyone actually said that mm dyed Jack's hair, or is it speculation based on photos? Summer hair can be much lighter than winter hair, sun and swimming can have an effect.

I believe it is just speculation. As you say the hot summer sun and swimming can lighten hair. I never saw much difference in the colour, it may have appeared darker due to camera lighting etc.

 

[wildebeest]

In some of the many photos I have seen, there was a noticeable difference. Perhaps it is the sun and chlorine from the pool?

 

[sshhh!]

Posting for the first time, after spending a few hours reading through this forum. I have been fascinated by this case and so I'm very glad to find a place where it is discussed so thoroughly.
A few things: I have seen that Mona Earnest, among others, is one of the Martens relatives sharing photos of the Corbett children on FB. Unlike Molly and her mother, she is keeping her FB page open for comments, so the Corbett family and representatives are strenuously asking her to remove the public cover photo of herself and her husband (the same FBI uncle who has spoken on Molly's behalf and searched Jason's office after his death) with the children in front of a Christmas tree. Significantly, the photo was only shared late in 2015, but surely any Christmas photos with the kids would have been from 2014 or earlier? The caption of the photo says that Mona and her husband are with their "great-niece and great-nephew". Yesterday, I saw that someone from the Corbett family put an extremely legal post on the FB page about how the page was being investigated for child endangerment, and asking people to comment saying where they had seen other photos of the children. That post has now been removed, yet the Earnest family is leaving up other messages from the Corbett family. I think they are purposely taunting the Corbetts with this page so they can save any malicious messages. However, even the worst messages (while inappropriate) don't come close to what they are doing by violating the childrens' privacy and taunting a grieving family. So I don't see how this will work in the Martens' favour, but it seems like the only reason they are putting these photos out there and encouraging messages is to present the Corbetts as trolls.

Secondly, after reading through your evidence and speculation, I have come up with my own hypothesis - speculation only... I think we have a couple where the husband is undramatic and likes to smooth over any altercation, and a wife who is highly dramatic and confrontational, and she becomes especially frantic when she feels she's losing control. On Friday night, she taunts him once too often, so he quietly tweaks his travel plans. The next night after their casual get-together, they have some other confrontation and he announces that he's leaving for Ireland with the children - nothing to argue about any more, their marriage is over. He goes to bed at about 10pm, she's awake and fuming. She calls her parents and raises the alarm that something terrible has happened; they jump in the car and start the 4.5 hour journey to her place. She is still so angry and frantic that she goes to wherever the kids are staying and hauls them back home at 11pm. Once the kids are settled and asleep again, she is still pacing and fuming, alone in the house and getting angrier. Meanwhile Jason is still asleep until approximately 2am, when maybe he wakes up to go to the toilet. He's groggy and disoriented, not properly awake and she hears him and goes into the bedroom to attack him with the baseball bat. Once he falls to the floor, she keeps beating at him with the stone. By the time her parents arrive (approx 2.30 am), either she is still savagely attacking him or has only just stopped. Her parents take in the situation, and realize the attack is so savage, the only "excuse" could be self-defense, and it will sound better if they say the father did it. It takes them half an hour to get their story straight and ensure Jason is truly dead, and then the father calls the police. The mother disappears into a spare bedroom to lend credence to the idea that they were staying over.

That's almost the exact scenario I put forward a good while back in this thread. I think there's a good chance the Martens weren't even present in the house when it all happened.

That said, if they're pulling Toms FBI records they may be leaning towards him being the perpetrator. Question is, are they looking at his history & training in order to simply disprove the self defence story, or are they unconvinced by Toms story and are looking to back up that line of enquiry?

 

[pappa rob]

Posting for the first time, after spending a few hours reading through this forum. I have been fascinated by this case and so I'm very glad to find a place where it is discussed so thoroughly.
A few things: I have seen that Mona Earnest, among others, is one of the Martens relatives sharing photos of the Corbett children on FB. Unlike Molly and her mother, she is keeping her FB page open for comments, so the Corbett family and representatives are strenuously asking her to remove the public cover photo of herself and her husband (the same FBI uncle who has spoken on Molly's behalf and searched Jason's office after his death) with the children in front of a Christmas tree. Significantly, the photo was only shared late in 2015, but surely any Christmas photos with the kids would have been from 2014 or earlier? The caption of the photo says that Mona and her husband are with their "great-niece and great-nephew". Yesterday, I saw that someone from the Corbett family put an extremely legal post on the FB page about how the page was being investigated for child endangerment, and asking people to comment saying where they had seen other photos of the children. That post has now been removed, yet the Earnest family is leaving up other messages from the Corbett family. I think they are purposely taunting the Corbetts with this page so they can save any malicious messages. However, even the worst messages (while inappropriate) don't come close to what they are doing by violating the childrens' privacy and taunting a grieving family. So I don't see how this will work in the Martens' favour, but it seems like the only reason they are putting these photos out there and encouraging messages is to present the Corbetts as trolls.

Secondly, after reading through your evidence and speculation, I have come up with my own hypothesis - speculation only... I think we have a couple where the husband is undramatic and likes to smooth over any altercation, and a wife who is highly dramatic and confrontational, and she becomes especially frantic when she feels she's losing control. On Friday night, she taunts him once too often, so he quietly tweaks his travel plans. The next night after their casual get-together, they have some other confrontation and he announces that he's leaving for Ireland with the children - nothing to argue about any more, their marriage is over. He goes to bed at about 10pm, she's awake and fuming. She calls her parents and raises the alarm that something terrible has happened; they jump in the car and start the 4.5 hour journey to her place. She is still so angry and frantic that she goes to wherever the kids are staying and hauls them back home at 11pm. Once the kids are settled and asleep again, she is still pacing and fuming, alone in the house and getting angrier. Meanwhile Jason is still asleep until approximately 2am, when maybe he wakes up to go to the toilet. He's groggy and disoriented, not properly awake and she hears him and goes into the bedroom to attack him with the baseball bat. Once he falls to the floor, she keeps beating at him with the stone. By the time her parents arrive (approx 2.30 am), either she is still savagely attacking him or has only just stopped. Her parents take in the situation, and realize the attack is so savage, the only "excuse" could be self-defense, and it will sound better if they say the father did it. It takes them half an hour to get their story straight and ensure Jason is truly dead, and then the father calls the police. The mother disappears into a spare bedroom to lend credence to the idea that they were staying over.

Great 1st post and welcome to the group.

 

[Francesca]

Welcome, Francesca! Glad you are here. Very thought provoking, your scenario. Love reading everyone's opinion.

:welcome4:

Thank you for the lovely welcome! I'm glad I finally found somewhere to discuss this case!

 

[stmarysmead]

I wonder if this is making plain to Tom Marten that if he wants to share the blame with his daughter, it's going to mean the rest of his life in prison. He will die there. They are playing hardball IMO. Jason was a victim of overkill. No one has that right. I think they are going to go after TM HARD.


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[stmarysmead]

The Martens tried to pass off this horrific beat-down as an "oops." Their attitude was "See What Jason Made Us Do!"

They found out with the indictments that LE is not buying that excuse. They are going to go after them full bore. At the very least, there will be nothing left of their respectability, their reputations. The autopsy is chilling. Overkill. Fiends out of control. How frightening to know people like this! This is not how normal people react. The Martens are not normal people IMO.

Then, add to the public's knowledge of their insane, excessive rage...the actions taken by the family after they killed this young man. It was all a rush to get Molly the things she wanted. It's like Jason never mattered.Frankly, I hope Molly's FB is entered as evidence at trial. This FB campaign is so obviously a ruse to present herself favorably. I'm sure they will have her old FB posts to show the contrast.

My opinion only as usual.

 

[kittythehare]

stmarysmead, I agree they are playing hardball.
Is that because he is pretending ignorance of the laws regarding the upshot of the impending divorce?
What else did the martens stand to lose should this divorce have gone through?
The police have searched his phone records and they know the time they arrived in the house that evening.

 

[stmarysmead]

stmarysmead, I agree they are playing hardball.
Is that because he is pretending ignorance of the laws regarding the upshot of the impending divorce?
What else did the martens stand to lose should this divorce have gone through?
The police have searched his phone records and they know the time they arrived in the house that evening.

What did the Martens stand to lose? Well, we can only theorize.

So here is my theory...speculation only.

I think Molly's bipolar disease manifested itself when she was a freshman in college. She had to drop out. I think she was not only an embarrassment to this proud family but a burden. I think they had a hard time "managing" the swings of her illness. Sending her away as a Nanny must have seemed like a solution to get their problem child off their hands. And then, marrying Jason was a godsend. They could pretend Molly was "normal" to their friends. Jason was tanking her off their hands.

But she still was uncontrollable, lashing out at her own wedding...embarrassing tantrums...the ugly side of their problem daughter. I think they felt if Jason would only placate her, give her HER WAY...that the marriage could survive and they could pretend that Molly was normal and everything had a happy ending.

A divorce would make Molly their problem again, interrupt their lives. I think they were very angry at Jason too because they wanted Molly to remain HIS problem...paying her bills and enduring her tantrums..instead of THEM.

Just guessing of course.




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[wildebeest]

I'm not sure what TM is thinking, but he clearly wasn't thinking straight that fateful night. If it was evident that MM had killed JC, why would TM want to jump in and say, "I did it, too?" Maybe he thought he was protecting his daughter. He had long known of her issues, and perhaps he was thinking, well, here we go again.

IMHO

 

[wildebeest]

What did the Martens stand to lose? Well, we can only theorize.

So here is my theory...speculation only.

I think Molly's bipolar disease manifested itself when she was a freshman in college. She had to drop out. I think she was not only an embarrassment to this proud family but a burden. I think they had a hard time "managing" the swings of her illness. Sending her away as a Nanny must have seemed like a solution to get their problem child off their hands. And then, marrying Jason was a godsend. They could pretend Molly was "normal" to their friends. Jason was tanking her off their hands.

But she still was uncontrollable, lashing out at her own wedding...embarrassing tantrums...the ugly side of their problem daughter. I think they felt if Jason would only placate her, give her HER WAY...that the marriage could survive and they could pretend that Molly was normal and everything had a happy ending.

A divorce would make Molly their problem again, interrupt their lives. I think they were very angry at Jason too because they wanted Molly to remain HIS problem...paying her bills and enduring her tantrums..instead of THEM.

Just guessing of course.




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Yes, yes, yes. You put into words, exactly what I was thinking. Well done, stmarysmead.

The Martens had finally launched their troubled daughter, and were thinking they would be able to enjoy retirement. They did NOT want to deal with her moving back home, supporting her, enduring outbursts, etc.

IMHO

 

[kittythehare]

I'm not sure what TM is thinking, but he clearly wasn't thinking straight that fateful night. If it was evident that MM had killed JC, why would TM want to jump in and say, "I did it, too?" Maybe he thought he was protecting his daughter. He had long known of her issues, and perhaps he was thinking, well, here we go again.

IMHO

Statements by the defendant obtained by law enforcement have suggested that the defendant is claiming self-defence of himself and of a third party.’The state’s evidence will contradict that defence and further show excessive force was used by this defendant proximately causing the victim’s death,” the order has revealed. “The state requests the defendant’s personnel file from the Federal Bureau of Investigation regarding this defendant to include any disciplinary actions taken against the defendant.” The prosecution is especially interested in courses taken in self-defence physical training, and decision-making for use of force.
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/202077/Prosecutors-seek-FBI-files-for-murder.html this source, has less detail than evoke article.
However Evoke suggests he was the aggressor. this states he has lied.. States evidence will contradict Tm statement suggests forensics has carefully analysed the autopsy.. they know the sequence of the blows, the force, strength, weight and velocity required to inflict such blows and the weight and strength of the person who inflicted these blows, may also suggest he was unconscious for at least part of this beating and possibly some were inflicted post mortem or at least when he was already unconscious.
if molly had been the main killer, Martens, father, would in all liklihood have been charged with accessory after the fact.
It is possible Martens Snr was the chief proponent. Did Jason say something that threatened him to the extent he flew into an uncontrollable rage. Its possible this family has many secrets and Jason would have known many of them.

 

[Deleted member 165489]

Am gobsmacked by MM's sense of entitlement! Very hard for the Corbetts to produce evidence to prove a violation took place, but surely the fact that she took anything at all from the house without agreement is the violation?

http://m.the-dispatch.com/Section/431/Article/160209939

 

[kittythehare]

Am gobsmacked by MM's sense of entitlement! Very hard for the Corbetts to produce evidence to prove a violation took place, but surely the fact that she took anything at all from the house without agreement is the violation?

http://m.the-dispatch.com/Section/431/Article/160209939

Indeed an explosive find. $80,ooo to her parents in 2011!!!!
Is this possibly a motive?

 

[wildebeest]

Indeed an explosive find. $80,ooo to her parents in 2011!!!!
Is this possibly a motive?

Wow!!! Very interesting! Why would she give her parents $80,000??? Was it around the time of their wedding??

Good find, kittythehare

 

[kittythehare]

Wow!!! Very interesting! Why would she give her parents $80,000??? Was it around the time of their wedding??

Good find, kittythehare

I didnt find it it was grow who found it. But on reading it I am wondering why it was a civil case and not a criminal case in light of existing court order?
Why did Jason's family have to foot a massive new bill to travel all the way abroad for this? Why did the police not prosecute? How could they possibly know what had been taken when all they had was a few photographs taken by neighbours and some of the removal trucks were enclosed?
Yes to your question, they married in 2011 so same year. I cannot imagine why he gave her parents such a large sum of money? was it a loan and there was an understanding it was to be paid at some stage? Was this the reason for his murder? I cannot think of any reason that does not involve speculation at its highest and worst. It is possible he may have sold his Irish house at that time and had funds available to lend as well as to purchase 160.

 

[kittythehare]

If anybody new is joining this thread, there is a very comprehensive synopsis of many of the events so far in this link
http://www.detroitnewstime.com/regi...gent-father-killed-him-with-baseball-bat.html