GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #1

[Truthalways]

Hi, so glad to have joined, I think you are all fantastic on your search for the truth.

one thing that I'm having trouble with is in relation to the 911 call. During the call am I the only one that hears mm very quietly talking to someone in the background other than her father? It's almost inaudible but I can't help thinking this could be mm mother. Its roughly around the time he asks for a wash cloth and once more at the start when he is asking for phone number. Also am I wrong in saying there is several times during the audio when it seems like tm has almost stepped out of the room due to the fact the background noise seems to reduce according to where he is moving? I'm left wondering did he actually go near Jason's body while on the phone. I think if I was a wife or father in law present in a room when they apparently turned Jason's body I would be gasping with shock or devastated by the scene in front of me, there was no shock no oh my god no "oh no" even though he had horrific injuries ?? Just my opinion as always.

 

[stmarysmead]

Hi, so glad to have joined, I think you are all fantastic on your search for the truth.

one thing that I'm having trouble with is in relation to the 911 call. During the call am I the only one that hears mm very quietly talking to someone in the background other than her father? It's almost inaudible but I can't help thinking this could be mm mother. Its roughly around the time he asks for a wash cloth and once more at the start when he is asking for phone number. Also am I wrong in saying there is several times during the audio when it seems like tm has almost stepped out of the room due to the fact the background noise seems to reduce according to where he is moving? I'm left wondering did he actually go near Jason's body while on the phone. I think if I was a wife or father in law present in a room when they apparently turned Jason's body I would be gasping with shock or devastated by the scene in front of me, there was no shock no oh my god no "oh no" even though he had horrific injuries ?? Just my opinion as always.

I agree. I wonder if LE has amplified the background conversation and if it will be heard at trial?

My opinion is that neither Molly nor TM sound as winded as they should have if this call was made very quickly after the physical activity of that confrontation. As you say, they sound as if they are in a different "stage" after an emergency has passed. There's a bloody, battered man in front of them, but no "horror", no sense of urgency to get him help.

I don't believe that the call was timely. My opinion only.

 

[kittythehare]

Hi, so glad to have joined, I think you are all fantastic on your search for the truth.

one thing that I'm having trouble with is in relation to the 911 call. During the call am I the only one that hears mm very quietly talking to someone in the background other than her father? It's almost inaudible but I can't help thinking this could be mm mother. Its roughly around the time he asks for a wash cloth and once more at the start when he is asking for phone number. Also am I wrong in saying there is several times during the audio when it seems like tm has almost stepped out of the room due to the fact the background noise seems to reduce according to where he is moving? I'm left wondering did he actually go near Jason's body while on the phone. I think if I was a wife or father in law present in a room when they apparently turned Jason's body I would be gasping with shock or devastated by the scene in front of me, there was no shock no oh my god no "oh no" even though he had horrific injuries ?? Just my opinion as always.

The background can be electronically 'cleaned'.

I found many anomalies too as stmarysmead.
When asked to turn him over, the manoevre seemed to have been completed way too quickly and soundlessly, was he lying face down following the attack? Blood would have seeped and flowed from head injuries and would indeed have covered his face so you are right, that would have been a startling sight.
Forensic sound analysis will show lots, I think/hope.
He certainly was not breathless, its possible the cpr only commenced as the EMT team arrived as they describe an active cpr on arrival.

 

[wildebeest]

The 911 call was quite creepy, in my opinion. TM did not want to be making this call, you can hear it in his voice. I have read that both TM and MM were trained in CPR. Yet, when TM calls, he is instructed by the 911 operator to turn the victim over, and start CPR. Shouldn't they have started this already??? They needed to be told to start CPR??? Neither one of them sounded exhausted or out of breath. This 911 call will be very valuable for the prosecution's case.

IMHO

 

[searchinGirl]

It's almost as if TM was assessing the extent of JCs injuries for the first time during the 911 call...after he flips him over he says something about the amount of blood...SMH...this is why I think it's important to consider whether they intend to prosecute MM and TM separately or together...what if TM is found innocent for the actions he took?... Where does that leave MM?

 

[kittythehare]

It's almost as if TM was assessing the extent of JCs injuries for the first time during the 911 call...after he flips him over he says something about the amount of blood...SMH...this is why I think it's important to consider whether they intend to prosecute MM and TM separately or together...what if TM is found innocent for the actions he took?... Where does that leave MM?

He cannot be found innocent. If its proven through forensics that he could not have inflicted the blows for some reason, he is guilty for attempting to pervert the case of justice, he will also be guilty of accessory after the fact. I am not well up on law in US but I think those 2 actions would certainly apply here.
MM by default would also be guilty of these two violations and she would be guilty of murder too , if thats what the forensics prove.
Its possible one or both will try to enter an insanity plea, not sure how they could prove it, but her actions subsequent to the murder do in fact amount to evidence of a calculating manipulative untruthful, immoral woman, the latter by way of breaking the court order by proxy and the mass sharing of the images of the grieving children , in the full knowledge of all the potential danger she was putting in their way. I think/hope

 

[searchinGirl]

He cannot be found innocent. If its proven through forensics that he could not have inflicted the blows for some reason, he is guilty for attempting to pervert the case of justice, he will also be guilty of accessory after the fact. I am not well up on law in US but I think those 2 actions would certainly apply here.
MM by default would also be guilty of these two violations and she would be guilty of murder too , if thats what the forensics prove.
Its possible one or both will try to enter an insanity plea, not sure how they could prove it, but her actions subsequent to the murder do in fact amount to evidence of a calculating manipulative untruthful, immoral woman, the latter by way of breaking the court order by proxy and the mass sharing of the images of the grieving children , in the full knowledge of all the potential danger she was putting in their way. I think/hope

He's asserting some kind of 3rd party self defense as justifiable Homocide ... If he's found not guilty (a better word than innocent) then he'll walk out of the courtroom a free man...evidently MM is going to claim some sort of domestic violence self defense that will clear her if she's found not guilty...we don't really know what her story is...I'm pretty sure LE has a theory of what happened based on the autopsy report...but they haven't gotten either to tell them a story that fits the evidence...

 

[kittythehare]

He's asserting some kind of 3rd party self defense as justifiable Homocide ... If he's found not guilty (a better word than innocent) then he'll walk out of the courtroom a free man...evidently MM is going to claim some sort of domestic violence self defense that will clear her if she's found not guilty...we don't really know what her story is...I'm pretty sure LE has a theory of what happened based on the autopsy report...but they haven't gotten either to tell them a story that fits the evidence...

Yes, of course, I totally misread your post. I apologise. Next hearing is Feb 8, not sure whether by then they will have chosen from the long menu of warped rationale that can make the battering of a man's brains the best and only course of action that was available to them at the time, when all circumstances were taken into account. But again, I think the forensics will disprove much of what they will attest? I am wondering too whether they can change pleas at this stage, even though a change of plea would prove they lied in their original statements to police?

 

[stmarysmead]

Trials are expensive and I expect ( or fear) that their lawyer is negotiating a plea deal. Because this case has not received all much publicity in N.C., that may suit both sides. This worries me.

Justice may have to come with a civil suit, if the Corbetts proceed with filing one.


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[Frizby]

Yes, of course, I totally misread your post. I apologise. Next hearing is Feb 8, not sure whether by then they will have chosen from the long menu of warped rationale that can make the battering of a man's brains the best and only course of action that was available to them at the time, when all circumstances were taken into account. But again, I think the forensics will disprove much of what they will attest? I am wondering too whether they can change pleas at this stage, even though a change of plea would prove they lied in their original statements to police?

Ohh, didn't realise it was tomorrow there were appearing. The only defence that they can possibly come up with is the Self-Defence & the Domestic Violence one. They will have to come up with some proper argument if these or one of these are to be believed. Only reported incident touching on DV has been the opposite, it was her abusing him in public, something you would not do if you were actually a victim of DV. I have no doubt that she will be telling a story, she has proved up to now that she is more than capable of spinning a yarn but she has only had people on her side to congratulate or stand by her. It will be a different story when it comes to the arena of the courts.

The scene in the bedroom & blood spatter imo will play a large part in this. Can't make up my mind as to who I think did the awful deed or whether the father just finished off the job. The 911 call is pretty cold, for someone who has been in law enforcement for such an amount of years had to be told to turn the body over, his coolness in everything on that call could be put down to his employment history but if this was argued, then why did he need to be told what to do. He was going imo through the motions as his saw fit for the purpose of a 911 call, but everything points to Jason being dead at the time the call was made. Even if he was not dead, they, neither him or her made any attempt to save his life, even though both had been trained in CPR. One or the other inflicted brutal injuries on Jason, this is fact, both parties also suffered no injuries to their person, this is also fact as reported by LE. She claims that she does not bruise easy, yeah right, that might wash if you knocked you leg or something but not in such a violent incident where someone was apparently choking you. My gut feeling is is that he was attacked while he was in bed, if this is the case then evidence of the scene will prove it. Blood spatter evidence will be crucial.

 

[Frizby]

Trials are expensive and I expect ( or fear) that their lawyer is negotiating a plea deal. Because this case has not received all much publicity in N.C., that may suit both sides. This worries me.

Justice may have to come with a civil suit, if the Corbetts proceed with filing one.


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Not familiar with US law or courts, well apart from what I see on TV, what sort of plea deal could be agreed? Honestly, I am intrigued.

 

[searchinGirl]

Yes, of course, I totally misread your post. I apologise. Next hearing is Feb 8, not sure whether by then they will have chosen from the long menu of warped rationale that can make the battering of a man's brains the best and only course of action that was available to them at the time, when all circumstances were taken into account. But again, I think the forensics will disprove much of what they will attest? I am wondering too whether they can change pleas at this stage, even though a change of plea would prove they lied in their original statements to police?

So tomorrow we should know more...do you remember the DA when asked about the timing of the trial said something like they will file motions we will file motions and then we will know more...I'm presuming some of this motions will be about affirmative defenses like self defense, or insanity although I kinda doubt that MM didn't know the difference between right and wrong at any point....severing the trials and who will be tried first, etc...trial strategy...something that's becoming clear to me is that there are probably camera crews from Dateline, 20/20, and 48 Hrs and others standing by at the ready to tell this story as it unfolds...we probably won't get to see it until it's over...it will all depend on how compelling this story becomes in the media murder business...

 

[stmarysmead]

There are two common forms of plea bargains. A charge bargain is a type of plea bargain that results in a less serious charge. The other form of plea bargain is commonly referred to as a sentence bargain. A sentence bargain, when the defendant is told the exact terms of his sentence in advance, will usually require some form of approval from the judge. High profile criminal cases use sentence plea bargains from time to time. In a sentence bargain, the prosecutor is guaranteed a conviction, while the defendant accepts the sentence that is settled upon.
There are two common forms of plea bargains. A charge bargain is a type of plea bargain that results in a less serious charge. The other form of plea bargain is commonly referred to as a sentence bargain. A sentence bargain, when the defendant is told the exact terms of his sentence in advance, will usually require some form of approval from the judge. High profile criminal cases use sentence plea bargains from time to time. In a sentence bargain, the prosecutor is guaranteed a conviction, while the defendant accepts the sentence that is settled upon.


http://www.legalinfo.com/content/criminal-law/stages-of-a-criminal-case-plea-bargain.html



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[searchinGirl]

One thing I know NC does is if you are trained in a certain discipline or profession then you are held to a higher standard of care than any other ordinary person...so, since TM was trained in self defense and use of deadly force his actions have to have reflected that "special knowledge"... I also thinks it's entirely possible that this "back and forth" will go on until a plea bargain is negotiated...then we might not ever know the whole story...

 

[Frizby]

There are two common forms of plea bargains. A charge bargain is a type of plea bargain that results in a less serious charge. The other form of plea bargain is commonly referred to as a sentence bargain. A sentence bargain, when the defendant is told the exact terms of his sentence in advance, will usually require some form of approval from the judge. High profile criminal cases use sentence plea bargains from time to time. In a sentence bargain, the prosecutor is guaranteed a conviction, while the defendant accepts the sentence that is settled upon.
There are two common forms of plea bargains. A charge bargain is a type of plea bargain that results in a less serious charge. The other form of plea bargain is commonly referred to as a sentence bargain. A sentence bargain, when the defendant is told the exact terms of his sentence in advance, will usually require some form of approval from the judge. High profile criminal cases use sentence plea bargains from time to time. In a sentence bargain, the prosecutor is guaranteed a conviction, while the defendant accepts the sentence that is settled upon.

There are two common forms of plea bargains. A charge bargain is a type of plea bargain that results in a less serious charge. The other form of plea bargain is commonly referred to as a sentence bargain. A sentence bargain, when the defendant is told the exact terms of his sentence in advance, will usually require some form of approval from the judge. High profile criminal cases use sentence plea bargains from time to time. In a sentence bargain, the prosecutor is guaranteed a conviction, while the defendant accepts the sentence that is settled upon."

Thanks for that StMarysMead. So we have option 1) Plea to the acceptance of charges with a reduced sentence, so in this case what would or could be the charges that the acceptance be based on, they are charged with two, the reduced sentence would be based on what sentence is accepted.

Or option 2) a lesser charge, what could be the lesser charge they could accept for the purpose of a plea deal? A lesser charge than what they are currently being charged with given that there is an option to find them guilty for Murder II or Involuntary Manslaughter. Is there a lesser charge apart from them being found not guilty?

Would appear, by my reading, that the lesser of the charges that could be brought is Involuntary Manslaughter, would this mean that they would have to accept these charges under a plea agreement?

 

[stmarysmead]

Thanks for that StMarysMead. So we have option 1) Plea to the acceptance of charges with a reduced sentence, so in this case what would or could be the charges that the acceptance be based on, they are charged with two, the reduced sentence would be based on what sentence is accepted. Or option 2) a lesser charge, what could be the lesser charge they could accept for the purpose of a plea deal? A lesser charge than what they are currently being charged with given that there is an option to find them guilty for Murder II or Involuntary Manslaughter. Is there a lesser charge apart from them being found not guilty? Would appear, by my reading, that the lesser of the charges that could be brought is Involuntary Manslaughter, would this mean that they would have to accept these charges under a plea agreement?

I wish I were truly qualified to answer you. But here is what I can find online:

"North Carolina Involuntary Manslaughter Statutes

Learn more about North Carolina's involuntary manslaughter laws below.

Code Section

North Carolina General Statutes § 14-18

Elements of the Crime

A person is guilty of involuntary manslaughter if he or she:

(1) kills

(2) another living human being

(3) by an unlawful act that does not amount to a felony and is not ordinarily dangerous to life, or by a culpably negligent act or omission.

Classifications / Penalties

Class F felony; 13-16 months in prison

Defenses

Self-defense; death was an accident (without negligence or recklessness); actual innocence

Some common defenses to involuntary manslaughter are self-defense and genuine accident. While some deadly accidents occur because someone acted irresponsibly or recklessly, others can be blameless where the person did not act negligently. The penalties for involuntary manslaughter can be severe. Both state and federal law treat it as a felony, usually carrying a jail or prison sentence of at least one year.

Manslaughter Civil Penalties

Even if a person is charged with involuntary manslaughter in criminal court and is acquitted, the deceased’s family may file a wrongful death claim in civil court. Most wrongful death lawsuits follow in the wake of criminal trials, using similar evidence but with a lower standard of proof. Regardless, someone found liable for wrongful death may or may not be convicted of a crime associated with that death.

- See more at: http://statelaws.findlaw.com/north-...y-manslaughter-laws.html#sthash.OkDbe8W4.dpuf "


So they could plead guilty and do less than a year in prison. BUT, in my opinion, they would be very vulnerable for monetary damages in a civil case.


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[Francesca]

There's a huge difference between wanting to stop someone from harming you, and wanting to kill them. If you just want someone to "stop" you might hit them on the head once with the nearest implement, and then stop hitting once they've fallen to the floor. Jason Corbett's injuries go above and beyond what was necessary to "stop" him from hurting Molly and/ or lashing out at his father-in-law. Forensics should be able to tell whether any of the injuries were inflicted while he was lying down and if he's been hit by two people/ two weapons. I hope they continue to stubbornly deny everything so they dig themselves into a deep hole and get the longest sentence possible.

 

[Marshleon]

Some great posts this evening...like many I too was struck by the 911 call. TM as an FBI Agent would be trained in CPR and MM also stated she was so trained. So why in the shock and horror of what happened did it take them a little over 4 mins to start CPR and then only on the prompting of the dispatcher? Maybe it's just me, but on listening to the recording of the 911 call, I felt that they were 'slowing down' the 1, 2, 3, 4 count. Did anyone else notice this? I was actually counting along with the dispatcher and was becoming more frustrated listening to their 'slow count'. Neither seemed out of breath, and to me it felt like they were just going through the motions, almost like they were 'playing for the recording' if this makes sense?

 

[stmarysmead]

Interesting that, if you credit their story, (which I don't) someone went for a second killing weapon instead of calling the police for help.


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[kittythehare]

Some great posts this evening...like many I too was struck by the 911 call. TM as an FBI Agent would be trained in CPR and MM also stated she was so trained. So why in the shock and horror of what happened did it take them a little over 4 mins to start CPR and then only on the prompting of the dispatcher? Maybe it's just me, but on listening to the recording of the 911 call, I felt that they were 'slowing down' the 1, 2, 3, 4 count. Did anyone else notice this? I was actually counting along with the dispatcher and was becoming more frustrated listening to their 'slow count'. Neither seemed out of breath, and to me it felt like they were just going through the motions, almost like they were 'playing for the recording' if this makes sense?

Yeah, I too thought the entire call was for the court case, it fell short in this regard for the many reasons outlined here and in other forums. But, the case will be a long way off yet.. I somehow doubt it will come to trial in 2016.. expect many delays.