GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #1

[stmarysmead]

Just had a thought, didn't the social services immediately give the OK for molly to look after the kids in the aftermath just prior to the lynches arriving so if molly went to her brothers straight away then ss in that area may have visited the brothers home to seem it suitable. Also it was stated the social services came to the brothers house to remove the children so they must be looking for the records of what occured at these events.

Remember her post about getting the children and their things ready for school when they were taken from her? And how she has gone on and on about them missing their school friends?

What school were they going to? Was she planning on sending them to school in the Charlotte area? She didn't go back to the Murder House, did she? So, were they going to a new school? So, they wouldn't see those old friends!

In my opinion, this woman is very loose with the truth. So many variations of these stories!!! I think her FB page is going to be gold for the prosecution. Let's hope she keeps it up for all to see.


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[Hotchips]

Remember her post about getting the children and their things ready for school when they were taken from her? And how she has gone on and on about them missing their school friends?

What school were they going to? Was she planning on sending them to school in the Charlotte area? She didn't go back to the Murder House, did she? So, were they going to a new school? So, they wouldn't see those old friends!

In my opinion, this woman is very loose with the truth. So many variations of these stories!!! I think her FB page is going to be gold for the prosecution. Let's hope she keeps it up for all to see.

Yes good point, I remember that post as well. Charlotte to WS would be a very long commute daily to school unless she planned to go back to the house and carry on as normal without Jason after a while hence her delaying packing up the children's belongings as she had somehow thought they would be coming back to her. Weird! I would expect the not thinking straight due to her supposed shock of her husbands death and trying to keep things normal for the kids sake card to be played by her if pressed on this in the trial. My view of that particular episode would be she had decided daddy was taking the fall for what happened and she would carry on as normal.

 

[stmarysmead]

Another point of discussion. The public FB posts begin right near the end of Nov...I think Nov 27. The investigation had been ongoing since early August. What did Molly find out at the end of November that brought about this flurry of frantic FB posts? What would cause her to start that campaign with her email and phone number, begging for contact.

One of the first few posts is a note from the children, written to her just weeks after she murdered their Father, professing their love for her. It's like saying..."Remember you loved me!" But under what conditions did those orphaned traumatized children write such a note? This would probably be after they spoke to police. Why a written testimonial? Was she forcing them to write a rebuttal?

In five weeks, she and her Father would be indicted. Did she find out near the end of November that those indictments were coming? Was she desperately trying to reach the children, thinking that, if she could influence them, she could stop these indictments from happening?

Why didn't these posts start the day they left? It seems like obsessive behavior but she took a long time getting obsessive, which is odd.

The timing is strange. My opinion only.


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[stmarysmead]

When did she post her first public Instagram? It's that same letter, dated August 18. She claims the children mailed it to her. It's a single page. Two children writing on one sheet. Was this also posted for the first time in November? Is that when the Instagram campaign started?

She's claiming the children write to her on August 18 and the letter was mailed to her?

We should sleuth those details. Where were the children on Aug 18? Where was she? Would they know that address? Were they in Ireland yet, requiring an International postage?

When did the Instagram campaign start? Was it also at the end of November?

Lots of things to work on....


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[stmarysmead]

So...the Corbetts were granted custody on the 20 or 21st of August. Wouldn't the children still have been with Molly on the 18th? This letter is dated Aug.18. Yet she is claiming....in what may be a November Instagram post,....that the letter was mailed to her.


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[Francesca]

When I first saw that letter, my first feeling was that she sat down with the kids and encouraged them to write letters to each other. The letter seems almost dictated, as if the kids were humoring her or reassuring her - didn't one of the kids write something like "I will never leave you"? Odd phrasing for a child, especially a child who has lost two parents. Even on an everyday basis, in a child's eyes, the parent is the one who leaves to go to work, go out to dinner... The child is always "here" - other people leave or go away. Even if the child runs over to the neighbor's for a play, he/ she doesn't see it as leaving the parents behind. It would have been more realistic if the note said "I don't ever want you to leave."
So my thought is that she emotionally blackmailed the kids into writing the notes, and they were probably happy to humor her, because in many respects she probably was a "fun mom" and they would not have learned from her how their father died. She probably thought the notes would be valid evidence that the children wanted to be with her. The reason she says the notes were posted is to make it sound as if the kids wrote them independently, and that they were thinking about her even when she wasn't around. If she went to the trouble of dating the letters, it must be a date where the kids were not with her or she was silly enough not to stop the kids putting the correct date on the letter!

 

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I believe the posts started earlier than 24th Nov as I remember reading posts as far back as the day the children would have returned to school. I also remember the 'heartbroken' comments from her friends. Not sure why these earlier posts were deleted.

 

[Truthalways]

In relation to the kids alleged letter to mm. I cannot find the fb post to back this up obviously removed but it clearly stated this was written by the children and sent to her anonomously in the post. As far as I can remember it suggested that they had written it sometime during custody proceedings which at the time I was shocked at because it would suggest whoevers care they were under for any reason during that short period in court or thereafter had sent it and surely this would be wrong doing on their part ? I thought it very odd at the time ...all my opinion I will try to find the post that confirms this.

 

[stmarysmead]

In relation to the kids alleged letter to mm. I cannot find the fb post to back this up obviously removed but it clearly stated this was written by the children and sent to her anonomously in the post. As far as I can remember it suggested that they had written it sometime during custody proceedings which at the time I was shocked at because it would suggest whoevers care they were under for any reason during that short period in court or thereafter had sent it and surely this would be wrong doing on their part ? I thought it very odd at the time ...all my opinion I will try to find the post that confirms this.

She says this on her Instagram post of the letter. That the kids wrote it and sent it to her thru the mail. The letter is dated August 18. Custody wasn't decided yet. Weren't the kids with her at that point?

My speculation is that she had them write that to present at the case. She expected to be able to put in a expert in child separation or something and, at first, the judge said she could. I think she had them write it then...on the same sheet of paper...not two notes. But when they got to Court, the judge changed his mind and as ready to decide the case.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...d-sarah-are-citizens-of-ireland-31467159.html


There's so many different stories, but I think the children said goodbye to her in a private room at court after the ruling. Of course, she writes that they were taken in the middle of the night or another time, after they had been shopping for school supplies.

Does anyone know the truth about how long they were with Molly after the murder?

 

[stmarysmead]

The lawyer says...

David Freeman, attorney for Ms Martens, said today that his client has been the mother of Jack (10) and Sarah (8) for the past eight years, and she would fight to keep the children.
Mr Freeman told Newtalk’s Jonathan Healy today that Jack and Sarah were “ripped” away from her on Monday night.
“She was devastated. She has effectively been their mother for the past eight years. When she first met Sarah and Jack they were three and one [years-old]. She went over there [to Limerick] just as an au pair and she loves them so much.”
“On Monday night, not only were the children taken from her, but the children were literally ripped out of her home with no warning to her whatsoever, with their pyjamas on… it was a horrible sight."
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ion-on-custody-dispute-children-31465754.html

Monday night would have been Aug 17. So she's saying that this was written to her the next day and mailed to her. Two children sharing one piece of paper. Not two notes. And they got a stamp from someone to mail it to her?????
I think she saw them after the decison at the courthouse. I wonder if it was hastily. written then on the one piece of notebook paper.

I wonder if the children were taken before the decison because of what they told authorities in their interviews?

 

[Hotchips]

The lawyer says...

David Freeman, attorney for Ms Martens, said today that his client has been the mother of Jack (10) and Sarah (8) for the past eight years, and she would fight to keep the children.
Mr Freeman told Newtalk’s Jonathan Healy today that Jack and Sarah were “ripped” away from her on Monday night.
“She was devastated. She has effectively been their mother for the past eight years. When she first met Sarah and Jack they were three and one [years-old]. She went over there [to Limerick] just as an au pair and she loves them so much.”
“On Monday night, not only were the children taken from her, but the children were literally ripped out of her home with no warning to her whatsoever, with their pyjamas on… it was a horrible sight."

Monday night would have been Aug 17. So she's saying that this was written to her the next day and mailed to her. Two children sharing one piece of paper. Not two notes. And they got a stamp from someone to mail it to her?????
I think she saw them after the decison at the courthouse. I wonder if it was hastily. written then on the one piece of notebook paper.

I wonder if the children were taken before the decison because of what they told authorities in their interviews?

Mollys was posting as far back in August, it started when the children were taken from her , posting on an almost daily basis. these were all visable up to november. mostly pictures of the kids on holidays, playing sports, pictures with her. I remember the positing about the letter. She said that the letter was found in a room in the courthouse and forwarded to her by a member of staff there by post. My understanding of it at the time was that the Clerk changed his mind about the guardian ad litems etc over the weekend and called a closed meeting of the lawyers on the monday morning without inforning the parties and were then removed that evening. However they did appear again in court that week, the thursday 21st Aug I believe and the lynches left the US that afternoon when the hearing was over. the whole custody thing puzzled me , it was an immigration issue end of. they could not stay in the US so it was a bit of a farce really plus irish politicians got involved too and I believe met with court officials too which was bizarre, I may be corrected on this point.

 

[Francesca]

The lawyer says...

David Freeman, attorney for Ms Martens, said today that his client has been the mother of Jack (10) and Sarah (8) for the past eight years, and she would fight to keep the children.
Mr Freeman told Newtalk’s Jonathan Healy today that Jack and Sarah were “ripped” away from her on Monday night.
“She was devastated. She has effectively been their mother for the past eight years. When she first met Sarah and Jack they were three and one [years-old]. She went over there [to Limerick] just as an au pair and she loves them so much.”
“On Monday night, not only were the children taken from her, but the children were literally ripped out of her home with no warning to her whatsoever, with their pyjamas on… it was a horrible sight."

Monday night would have been Aug 17. So she's saying that this was written to her the next day and mailed to her. Two children sharing one piece of paper. Not two notes. And they got a stamp from someone to mail it to her?????
I think she saw them after the decison at the courthouse. I wonder if it was hastily. written then on the one piece of notebook paper.

I wonder if the children were taken before the decison because of what they told authorities in their interviews?

The note is a mystery, but I'm confused about something else now - "the children were literally ripped out of her home... with their pyjamas on." Were there two incidents where the children were taken from her? I've heard the story of Sarah out on the bike and Jack inside with Molly who was wearing a swimsuit and the children were just taken without any warning.
Yes, this is a nightmare scenario that must be tugging at the hearts of loving step parents, but if Jason had been killed in a car accident she would have been justified in staking an amicable appeal for custody. Saying nasty backhanded things in public about the people who had legal custody Jack and Molly would not have been a productive way to build a working relationship with their extended family, so that they would be happy for her to have custody.

 

[stmarysmead]

Can we construct a timeline? Please add and correct mistakes.

August 2...Jason murdered
August 4...Molly files for custody, starts to make funeral plans
August???...Molly and Uncle take things from Jason's office
August ????...Corbetts arrive in US
August ???...Molly moves large sums of money from Jason's accounts
August ???...Custody hearing begins.
August 17....children removed from Molly's home.
August 18...note written. Mailed to Molly by Court employee
August 21...Molly loses custody.

Love to know when children were interviewed. Also if Custody judge was provided with preliminary autopsy results before he made the ruling. Martens seem to have been portraying Jason's death as a "he fell down and died." Or..."we just hit him to try to stop him and he strangely died."

Is there a date given for the autopsy? Do we know when the children were interviewed?





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[Frizby]

Can we construct a timeline? Please add and correct mistakes.

August 2...Jason murdered
August 4...Molly files for custody, starts to make funeral plans
August???...Molly and Uncle take things from Jason's office
August ????...Corbetts arrive in US
August ???...Molly moves large sums of money from Jason's accounts

I think the dates are 5th for the Lynches arriving in the US, only basing this on articles where no actual dates were given but timeline fits. The date for Molly & Uncle going to the office to be given a box a stuff was Thursday 6th

 

[Hotchips]

Can we construct a timeline? Please add and correct mistakes.

August 2...Jason murdered
August 4...Molly files for custody, starts to make funeral plans
August???...Molly and Uncle take things from Jason's office
August ????...Corbetts arrive in US
August ???...Molly moves large sums of money from Jason's accounts
August ???...Custody hearing begins.
August 17....children removed from Molly's home.
August 18...note written. Mailed to Molly by Court employee
August 21...Molly loses custody.

Love to know when children were interviewed. Also if Custody judge was provided with preliminary autopsy results before he made the ruling. Martens seem to have been portraying Jason's death as a "he fell down and died." Or..."we just hit him to try to stop him and he strangely died."

Is there a date given for the autopsy? Do we know when the children were interviewed?





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I believe the Corbett's arrived approx the 5th august as Tracy was in France and then returned to Ireland to fly to the US so two days at least would have been lost in travel. You can see from the autopsy report that the autopsy was carried out the following day after the murder but the report appears to have been finalised and sign off on the 26th august, by which time the children were back in Ireland. I didn't see any dates given for when the money was removed from the joint account

I think it likely the children would have been spoken to by the police the day after the incident at which point the social services would have been involved as well. The police would have contacted them in the aftermath I'd think

 

[Hotchips]

The custody order which can be downloaded online has the details and timeline pertaining to the custody battle. I can't attach the link here but it contains the relevant dates.

 

[stmarysmead]

Can we construct a timeline? Please add and correct mistakes.

August 2...Jason murdered
August 3...autopsy
August 4...Molly files for custody, starts to make funeral plans
August 5...Corbetts arrive in US
August 6...Molly and Uncle take things from Jason's office.
August ???...Molly moves large sums of money from Jason's accounts
August ???...Custody hearing begins.
August 17....children removed from Molly's home.
August 18...note written. Mailed to Molly by Court employee
August 21...Molly loses custody.
August 26...autopsy finalized

In a custody dispute where one of the parties has admitted bring a party to the death of the children's parent, it does not sound unreasonable that the Judge might be allowed to see the preliminary autopsy. It seemed that he changed his mind very quickly and shut Molly and her experts down. I don't know enough about law, but it seems only logical that at the least, the drawings and descriptions of the heinous battering Jason took...would be available to the Judge from that preliminary autopsy.

That autopsy is the truth teller...the one thing the Martens cannot spin, in my opinion.
I think the "note" was written as part of the campaign citing the children's needs that he thought died be able to put on...but the Judge suddenly shut down.

 

[Hotchips]

just had another quick look at the custody order. the kids were removed on the monday 17th, they were to be brought to the courthouse on the 18th august for a one hour visitation with molly to be facilitated by the DSS and then the parties were to appear again on the 20th august. did the social services sit in on the visitation I wonder?

I agree, there is no arguing with the autopsy. The defence will be digging deep though for anything that will try to portray them in a better light and also do their utmost to dig dirt too against Jason and probably the extended corbett family. There will be a lot of character assassinations no doubt when this comes to trial.

 

[stmarysmead]

The question that the jury should ask itself is...could either Father or daughter believe that they could do that much damage to a human being and expect him to survive? When they pounded him over and over with bat and brick, did they expect him to get up, go back to bed and apologize for angering them?

They can argue that they lost control...but then let us thank God that people who have such little control over their violent emotions do not have those children.

They can slander Jason or the family...but even abused wives are not allowed to execute their abusers under the law.

The autopsy does not show "intervention" or "stopping" a situation, it shows continued deliberate blows with intent to kill.

Just wait till the wrongful death suit gets underway. Oh my.

 

[emmalpage81]

I think the letter was originally posted by MM in September. If i recall correctly she said that the children wrote it while in the care of social services. I always found it strange that the children seemed to have corrected mistakes in the letter - I know my son only corrects mistakes if i point them out and ask him to change them!