GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #1

[Hotchips]

Hotchips, I have asked you in the past to deal with your thoughts about the facebook campaign on facebook, how does it help sleuthing here? She posted that he posted that she posted that she posted.. Theres an open forum on facebook in which you can deal with your thoughts and opinions on what people post about other people. Many of us dont follow it and have no idea of how it might be relevant towards sleuthing this case? Am I mising something big, I could be?

Kittythehare , it is clearly now a factor in the defense case when it was brought up in yesterday's hearing and has been reported on in the media so its not my personal thoughts and opinions. I offered an example of what potential witness intimidation the defence may be referring to.

 

[kittythehare]

Let me point out that WS has a great feature...it's the "ignore option." Just access it in your settings and you can "ignore" any poster that is disrupting the thread. You will then see other posts, but never theirs.

I am no newbie. I'll just add that the request for "proof" and "links" go both ways. Has there been any proof that the Corbetts are running a negative social media campaign that will therefore backfire? I have not seen links to back that assertion.

Therefore until we do, I think we are being asked to disprove something that has been stated with no substantiation.


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St Marysmead, thanks for all your great work, you are an inspiration and always help us newbies out and you share our dogged determination to sleuth deeper and deeper. Its appreciated.
There is in fact a major anti Corbett backlash evident on social media. I can honestly state I have never seen anything but positive comments from that entire family. They are gentle people humble and trusting.
In websleuths the victim gets priority, right?
His family are not suspects in his murder.
Why should they be forced to endure further hurt and insults by people who have not contributed a single piece of meaningful research ?
Thanks for the link to the block ignore button. However the comments are being published in a public media, many unchallenged.

 

[stmarysmead]

Kittythehare , it is clearly now a factor in the defense case when it was brought up in yesterday's hearing and has been reported on in the media so its not my personal thoughts and opinions. I offered an example of what potential witness intimidation the defence may be referring to.

Thanks for adding more information. I think it's wise for both sides to refrain from contact...either with the children (who are certainly witnesses to life in that home) or with Molly's friends ( who may be witnesses as well.)

Certainly no one should be contacting an employer! Having a relative or In-Law or two...who are admitted murderers has no bearing on the character of the respective employee.


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[stmarysmead]

St Marysmead, thanks for all your great work, you are an inspiration and always help us newbies out and you share our dogged determination to sleuth deeper and deeper. Its appreciated.
There is in fact a major anti Corbett backlash evident on social media. I can honestly state I have never seen anything but positive comments from that entire family. They are gentle people humble and trusting.
In websleuths the victim gets priority, right?
His family are not suspects in his murder.
Why should they be forced to endure further hurt and insults by people who have not contributed a single piece of meaningful research ?
Thanks for the link to the block ignore button. However the comments are being published in a public media, many unchallenged.

I believe that the most powerful, undisputed piece of evidence that any of us have...is the autopsy. Nothing about Facebook, etc. can change one word in that factual account.

The man died an horrific death. That's fact.

He did not die from one or two blows meant to "stop" a situation. This was overkill. That's a fact.

No human of any size or weight needs to be battered front, back...numerous grievous fractures and wounds...to be "stopped." This is evidence of something like loss of control or...enjoyment in delivering those blows. They knew that they were not killing some supernatural being. Yet they beat him as if he was supernatural.

A trained law enforcement agent wielded one of the weapons. His daughter, the other. It was their hands that swung and battered, swung and battered, swung and battered. That's a fact in this case.

All this FB talk will not change that autopsy.


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[kittythehare]

Kittythehare , it is clearly now a factor in the defense case when it was brought up in yesterday's hearing and has been reported on in the media so its not my personal thoughts and opinions. I offered an example of what potential witness intimidation the defence may be referring to.

Its got nothing in the world to do with the defence case, because it did not exist when the man was murdered.
It is more of an effort by defence attorney to state they are playing 'hardball'
They will indeed need to play hardball, following comments made on gOP candidates public forums by wife of family spokesperson heavily criticising the judge and stating the children were US citizens when she knew they actually were not.
Thats slander and its an attempt to pervert the course of justice. The posts were made after the custody case. Shocking indeed.
As regards witness intimidation, the defence have not named their witnesses yet so its not gonna roll , it was a threat.
Nobody is expected to guess who is or is not a witness apart from the people present in the house that night, those we know about.

 

[stmarysmead]

People on the Internet get involved in these cases for many reasons..."knowing" the parties involved is probably the smallest percentage. Trying to require either side to "police" their supporters is silly. How would the Corbetts "control" what strangers post under news articles or in public forums? Or the Martens, for that matter?

This is a distraction. The attorney for the Martens hasn't much to work with, in my opinion, so he is going to try to distract in whatever way he can.

Does he have a witness or witnesses to domestic abuse that would "flip" their testimony because of some Internet troll? I doubt that. If he is referring to a relative of hers, I doubt it even more.

Actually, it is Molly's incessant posting and attempts to talk to Jason's children that would seem to be a greater threat to witnesses being "turned." These are CHILDREN. Grieving children...and she is relentless in trying to manipulate their feelings.

In my opinion, what could her "witnesses" have seen that would justify TM and Molly entitling themselves to execute Jason in the most horrific way?

What? Nothing that our law provides. Even an abuser cannot be given the death penalty by his "victim" and her Father.

That is the key part of this case. In my opinion, of course.








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[kittythehare]

Personally I have not seen any threats, well apart from the one that Molly refereed to herself on one of her Instagram pics.



I would guess this was questioned by other on there but she deletes posts so hard to follow. But she left her one up. If she has back up to it, I am sure she will have passed it on.

There is no doubt people have got heated but tbh I think it is more of a case of keyboard warriors, some people just can't help themselves unfortunately. Their fingers & their brains don't seem to engage. Some of the supporters on both sides are not doing either side any favours. I know the post that Hotchips is referring to (I think), it was a PM between two supporters, one on each side. It got a bit heated on both sides but that's all it was, a heated discussion. If it the same one Hotchips, a question was raised in it as to why they never refer to Jason by his name? Was taken down the following day. I suppose until a trial we will never know if any of this can be substantiated and also, does it really have affect on the trial. The main focus of the trial will be the autopsy, blood spatter, history, etc imho.

Is she saying the corbetts have sent her death threats?
That they will kidnap her???
For ransom?

 

[Frizby]

Is she saying the corbetts have sent her death threats?
That they will kidnap her???
For ransom?

No idea, that is the only time she refers to it, she only refers to it as I put in my post, copied from her message. Her reference is about the time in August while the children were in her care.

It appears to be in a discussion where she is talking about wanting to give the kids their stuff, this stuff being refused, all she wanted was a photo of the kids with their stuff to prove they had got them, sure even a recording of them saying they had it would even do her. Imagine asking for the kids to send her a recording to say they have their stuff.

 

[stephanddoody]

Yes I feel and sorry I have no links ;-) that she wanted the kids to know she could get to them no matter where they were hence the constant request for contact, radio interview ,banners, paper ads etc . A little thing that may mean nothing to you or I might have a meaning to the children this is my assumption as to why no letters from America are allowed to be accessed. If they had to give a recording saying they got their stuff they would have known she could still get to them. I feel she is afraid what they have said and thats why the social services files were requested

 

[Frizby]

Is she saying the corbetts have sent her death threats?
That they will kidnap her???
For ransom?

The quote I typed is taken from one of her numerous posts under this pic. She makes all sorts of accusations. http://www.lakako.com/post/1099289823863725813

Edit - you have to sign in via Instagram to view all the posts, think there about 38 of them.

 

[stmarysmead]

The dispute about their "stuff" is a real exercise in deception, in my opinion. The Corbetts wanted, for example, their real Mother's rings to be returned. Who could not understand the sentimental value that someday, these might have for her children? This is the reason that Molly's jewelry box, underwear drawer were searched...because apparently, Molly did not produce them when asked. She plays Pitiful Pearl, as if the search was for toys on her FB page, when she obviously knew
what the Corbetts wanted. This seems so small minded, so spiteful.

Toys like she piled in the driveway are future landfill. A dead mother's rings, saved all those years by their dead Father, are priceless.

I wonder if she ever did send them.


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[stmarysmead]

The quote I typed is taken from one of her numerous posts under this pic. She makes all sorts of accusations. http://www.lakako.com/post/1099289823863725813

Edit - you have to sign in via Instagram to view all the posts, think there about 38 of them.

"In fact, as the money is apparently being used for the family to publicize, fabricate and perform an investigation of a crime that did not happen, to incriminate the children's mother (sorry- the person they called mom- as we are not blood related), then yes, I would say that is most inappropriate. Has anyone actually wondered where that money is going? Maybe that money was used to hire the locksmith to break into my house so they could go through my underwear drawer and nightstand as they did last week... Perhaps the money is being used to take pictures of my friends as they walk to their cars for intimidation purposes...."

I guess Jason is not dead. And the autopsy report is a fantasy. And she knows nothing about their real Mother's rings....

I wish all the Corbett supporters would agree to do one thing...just post the link to the autopsy report over and over and over.

Just that.

Make her own that horror.

My opinion only.


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[Frizby]

Yes I feel and sorry I have no links ;-) that she wanted the kids to know she could get to them no matter where they were hence the constant request for contact, radio interview ,banners, paper ads etc . A little thing that may mean nothing to you or I might have a meaning to the children this is my assumption as to why no letters from America are allowed to be accessed. If they had to give a recording saying they got their stuff they would have known she could still get to them. I feel she is afraid what they have said and thats why the social services files were requested

She is so insistent on a recording, she even say that she doesn't have to listen to it, her lawyer has agreed to listen to it for her. Honestly, you should read all the comments under that Instagram pic I posted, but you have to sign into Instagram to see them all, around 38 posts. A real eyeopener.

 

[Frizby]

"In fact, as the money is apparently being used for the family to publicize, fabricate and perform an investigation of a crime that did not happen, to incriminate the children's mother (sorry- the person they called mom- as we are not blood related), then yes, I would say that is most inappropriate. Has anyone actually wondered where that money is going? Maybe that money was used to hire the locksmith to break into my house so they could go through my underwear drawer and nightstand as they did last week... Perhaps the money is being used to take pictures of my friends as they walk to their cars for intimidation purposes...."

I guess Jason is not dead. And the autopsy report is a fantasy. And she knows nothing about their real Mother's rings....

I wish all the Corbett supporters would agree to do one thing...just post the link to the autopsy report over and over and over.

Just that.

Make her own that horror.

My opinion only.


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Oh yeah, she really played on the fund raising. In fact the fund raising account was closed at €50,000. The legal bills at the time for the Lynches was in excess of €130,000, god knows what it is now. This is when her supporters jumped on the band wagon accusing the family of only wanting the children for money. It is quite despicable really.

 

[Frizby]

The dispute about their "stuff" is a real exercise in deception, in my opinion. The Corbetts wanted, for example, their real Mother's rings to be returned. Who could not understand the sentimental value that someday, these might have for her children? This is the reason that Molly's jewelry box, underwear drawer were searched...because apparently, Molly did not produce them when asked. She plays Pitiful Pearl, as if the search was for toys on her FB page, when she obviously knew
what the Corbetts wanted. This seems so small minded, so spiteful.

Toys like she piled in the driveway are future landfill. A dead mother's rings, saved all those years by their dead Father, are priceless.

I wonder if she ever did send them.


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I don't think that the family broke into the house. She only started posting all this up around a week or so after the police carried out a search of the property. The Search Warrant was executed on 4th December and it is stated on the Warrant, a copy of which was left at the premises, that no-one was present when the warrant was executed. So the police would have had to 'break-in' when doing this.

 

[Frizby]

Ohh, you can actually view all the pics/posts on the Instagram account via this link without having to sign in, also gives you approximate dates of posts. There you are, I learned something new today. http://www.pikore.com/mollymartenscorbett

 

[kittythehare]

The dispute about their "stuff" is a real exercise in deception, in my opinion. The Corbetts wanted, for example, their real Mother's rings to be returned. Who could not understand the sentimental value that someday, these might have for her children? This is the reason that Molly's jewelry box, underwear drawer were searched...because apparently, Molly did not produce them when asked. She plays Pitiful Pearl, as if the search was for toys on her FB page, when she obviously knew
what the Corbetts wanted. This seems so small minded, so spiteful.

Toys like she piled in the driveway are future landfill. A dead mother's rings, saved all those years by their dead Father, are priceless.

I wonder if she ever did send them.


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Gosh yes! I had not read the comments on the istagram site.. shocking deulsions.. tantrumish. creepy photos where the child must be dressed in exact same clothes as the mother
Its very disturbing.. the reference to the Mc Canns was rather strange too.
Its a horror story.
And I absolutely agree re posting link to full autopsy everywhere.
ME stated death is murder.
She says the warrants were based on hearsay.
these are pretty serious allegations against US justice.. wonder if its tactical? She never slips up and mentions or refers to Jason anywhere which shows she is being very careful about that, yet a loose mouth against local DA??

 

[Hotchips]

The dispute about their "stuff" is a real exercise in deception, in my opinion. The Corbetts wanted, for example, their real Mother's rings to be returned. Who could not understand the sentimental value that someday, these might have for her children? This is the reason that Molly's jewelry box, underwear drawer were searched...because apparently, Molly did not produce them when asked. She plays Pitiful Pearl, as if the search was for toys on her FB page, when she obviously knew
what the Corbetts wanted. This seems so small minded, so spiteful.

Toys like she piled in the driveway are future landfill. A dead mother's rings, saved all those years by their dead Father, are priceless.

I wonder if she ever did send them.


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I think the rings were to be handed over to the estate lawyers to determine if they would form part of jasons estate. Haven't seen anything further as to whether they were released to the lynches since. I often thought it odd she was so vocal on Instagram and engaged with people and made accusations on it when she played a different persona on Facebook.

 

[sshhh!]

I agree the Corbett family have no control over this nor comment publicly themselves

Not entirely true. I know one of the relatives personally (although I must point out I have never discussed the case with said person) and through being friends on social media I've seen commentary and negative replies to posts by at least two family members. It's usually in relation to negativity towards JC's character from US posters. Point is it has happened, rightly or wrongly, cos I've seen it.

Hotchips, I have asked you in the past to deal with your thoughts about the facebook campaign on facebook, how does it help sleuthing here? She posted that he posted that she posted that she posted.. Theres an open forum on facebook in which you can deal with your thoughts and opinions on what people post about other people. Many of us dont follow it and have no idea of how it might be relevant towards sleuthing this case? Am I mising something big, I could be?

You could say the same thing about the execution of JC's will, particulars regarding the inheritance of his estate and also any potential civil case the Corbett's may bring. None of these things have anything to do with solving the actual crime and are simply a consequence of the crime. Yet they've all been discussed here at length.

 

[kittythehare]

Not entirely true. I know one of the relatives personally (although I must point out I have never discussed the case with said person) and through being friends on social media I've seen commentary and negative replies to posts by at least two family members. It's usually in relation to negativity towards JC's character from US posters. Point is it has happened, rightly or wrongly, cos I've seen it.



You could say the same thing about the execution of JC's will, particulars regarding the inheritance of his estate and also any potential civil case the Corbett's may bring. None of these things have anything to do with solving the actual crime and are simply a consequence of the crime. Yet they've all been discussed here at length.

You could say that, but why would you say that?
The inheritance is legitimate as it may be linked to motive.
There is a time limit for the civil case and slightly different parameters apply and its possible the family may need that information sooner rather than later, think its just 2 years, a very short time, considering the criminal case is likely to drag out interminably.
There is a campaign but this is not the campaign forum and posts in relation to the campaign are generally a distraction from sleuthing though some may contain new info which will help us sleuthing.
What would you suggest instead?