GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #2

[stmarysmead]

police reports would be public information, however and they had remarked they had received no complaints

And certainly MM would give permission to release them and would probably have posted them on FB along with everything else in her quest for sympathy.

Another thought: suppose Jason has his hands on MM's neck and is suddenly hit by TM from behind. What is the instinctive thing to do...NOT keep on choking!

It's turn and see what hit you and stop it!

If he had not been hit hard...Why wasn't he able to take the bat from a smaller old man? If he was hit hard...hard enough to stop him...to get his hands off Molly...then why the need to keep hitting and beating and hitting till his blood and tissue were all over walls and floor?

Why the need to get a second weapon?

 

[kittythehare]

It may be sworn testimony or it may not. Of course we can refer to media reports here, but we are not obliged to believe them.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...olatile-nature-of-molly-martens-34349705.html
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...rew-as-investigation-progressed-34348380.html

 

[Electric Sheep]

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...olatile-nature-of-molly-martens-34349705.html
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...rew-as-investigation-progressed-34348380.html

Take a look at the articles you have linked to - "they were told", "it was claimed", "it was alleged"...That might be good enough for you, it is not good enough for me. I will wait for the trial.

 

[stmarysmead]

The lie about the bat is evidence of guilt to me as well. Or that TM was trying to protect his daughter who was wielding the bat.

Why couldn't he say...I heard a disturbance and because my son in law had been violent before..I went to the garage and got the bat.

Isn't the truth always easier? But he doesn't mention any reason for arming himself. And he does t mention DV.

Instead he lies. He admits hitting Jason but lies about the weapon. That's worth thinking about!

Why lie about it being a new bat, a gift, and in the guest room?

Maybe because he couldn't have told them WHERE he got the bat from...because he wasn't the one who brought the weapon in the room!

 

[Kerryann]

Did the story about the labor and the birth story originate with from Jason's family? I don't think so as I recall reading about bthis in a news report early on when neighbours were questioned.

 

[Hotchips]

And certainly MM would give permission to release them and would probably have posted them on FB along with everything else in her quest for sympathy.

Another thought: suppose Jason has his hands on MM's neck and is suddenly hit by TM from behind. What is the instinctive thing to do...NOT keep on choking!

It's turn and see what hit you and stop it!

If he had not been hit hard...Why wasn't he able to take the bat from a smaller old man? If he was hit hard...hard enough to stop him...to get his hands off Molly...then why the need to keep hitting and beating and hitting till his blood and tissue were all over walls and floor?

Why the need to get a second weapon?

Im not so sure she would have released them or spoke of it on facebook if she had indeed medical records etc. She has an excellent legal team and would be guided by them since the beginning in what not to say or post publicly. If she posted anything detailing her future defence, this would put the prosecution on notice of her intentions and could potentially ruin her own defence and I can't see her experienced lawyers letting this happen. I felt her fb posts where carefully written and thought out before she posted them. Many where a bit out there but still they were cleverly constructed. Now she did lose the run of herself a few times esp the closer it got to the indictments being unsealed when she ranted about alleged break ins, lying and corruption etc. We don't know how long he allegedly was choking her, it may have only been a few seconds and TM walked in just as he put his hands on her hence not enough time or force to inflict an injury on her but enough for TM to lose his rag altogether and launch a serious beating.

 

[kittythehare]

Im not so sure she would have released them or spoke of it on facebook if she had indeed medical records etc. She has an excellent legal team and would be guided by them since the beginning in what not to say or post publicly. If she posted anything detailing her future defence, this would put the prosecution on notice of her intentions and could potentially ruin her own defence and I can't see her experienced lawyers letting this happen. I felt her fb posts where carefully written and thought out before she posted them. Many where a bit out there but still they were cleverly constructed. Now she did lose the run of herself a few times esp the closer it got to the indictments being unsealed when she ranted about alleged break ins, lying and corruption etc. We don't know how long he allegedly was choking her, it may have only been a few seconds and TM walked in just as he put his hands on her hence not enough time or force to inflict an injury on her but enough for TM to lose his rag altogether and launch a serious beating.

we dont actually know he was choking her at all, we only know that is their story. In fact this evening's discussions make it less and less likely in view of the forensic reports.

 

[Electric Sheep]

Did the story about the labor and the birth story originate with from Jason's family? I don't think so as I recall reading about bthis in a news report early on when neighbours were questioned.

Link?

 

[stmarysmead]

Im not so sure she would have released them or spoke of it on facebook if she had indeed medical records etc. She has an excellent legal team and would be guided by them since the beginning in what not to say or post publicly. If she posted anything detailing her future defence, this would put the prosecution on notice of her intentions and could potentially ruin her own defence and I can't see her experienced lawyers letting this happen. I felt her fb posts where carefully written and thought out before she posted them. Many where a bit out there but still they were cleverly constructed. Now she did lose the run of herself a few times esp the closer it got to the indictments being unsealed when she ranted about alleged break ins, lying and corruption etc. We don't know how long he allegedly was choking her, it may have only been a few seconds and TM walked in just as he put his hands on her hence not enough time or force to inflict an injury on her but enough for TM to lose his rag altogether and launch a serious beating.

I'm not so sure. Have you read her Instagram? She was actually engaging with critics. No attorney would let her do that if they were watching her social media.

Also, removing everything from the house was a stupid move because it played into the greedy widow depiction of her. I doubt her legal team for the criminal trial is happy with that stunt. It was one or more of her old neighbors who contacted the family. Apparently , they are not fans of Molly.

The fact that she removed all her "happy" photos ...everything from her old life...also appears deceptive. Why do that? What's she hiding? I think her legal team would tell her...stay off FB and close the account.

 

[Electric Sheep]

I'm not so sure. Have you read her Instagram? She was actually engaging with critics. No attorney would let her do that if they were watching her social media.

Also, removing everything from the house was a stupid move because it played into the greedy widow depiction of her. I doubt her legal team for the criminal trial is happy with that stunt. It was one or more of her old neighbors who contacted the family. Apparently , they are not fans of Molly.

The fact that she removed all her "happy" photos ...everything from her old life...also appears deceptive. Why do that? What's she hiding? I think her legal team would tell her...stay off FB and close the account.

I'm actually very surprised her legal team didn't insist she stays off ALL social media. Or maybe they did and she did not comply.

 

[Hotchips]

Did the story about the labor and the birth story originate with from Jason's family? I don't think so as I recall reading about bthis in a news report early on when neighbours were questioned.

I'm not sure where it came from. I only saw reference to it by supporters in commentary on their fb page and on other pages. Its possible it came from someone in that locality. I've just done a search there for news articles specifically referring to this but can't find any. Maybe I missed it. Possibly the irish daily mail which doesnt post online. However, i think some of what they reported was gleaned from facebook from the one or two articles I did see when at home. I have found references to the neighbours believing the kids were hers but not the birth stories, I don't see why any neighbour would question it really, they moved as a family into the neighbourhood so the assumption was made they were hers.

 

[Electric Sheep]

I'm not sure where it came from. I only saw reference to it by supporters in commentary on their fb page and on other pages. Its possible it came from someone in that locality. I've just done a search there for news articles specifically referring to this but can't find any. Maybe I missed it. Possibly the irish daily mail which doesnt post online. However, i think some of what they reported was gleaned from facebook from the one or two articles I did see when at home. I have found references to the neighbours believing the kids were hers but not the birth stories, I don't see why any neighbour would question it really, they moved as a family into the neighbourhood so the assumption was made they were hers.

True. Most families that I know where a step parent has been on the scene for most of the childrens' lives feel no obligation to explain the situation to neighbors or casual acquaintances. This may be a cultural difference between the US and Ireland.

 

[stmarysmead]

I knew a woman years ago, who often talked about "her boys." She was always going to visit "her boys" at school, talking about buying this or that for them, sending cookies. I knew her for several years before a neighbor of hers told me that she had no children, but was fond of another neighbors sons. After that, I noticed how hard she worked to give the impression they were hers. It was considered by many people to be sad, but very strange behavior.

I wonder if something like this went on with Molly. Supposedly she punished the son for telling people she was not his Mom.

 

[Electric Sheep]

I knew a woman years ago, who often talked about "her boys." She was always going to visit "her boys" at school, talking about buying this or that for them, sending cookies. I knew her for several years before a neighbor of hers told me that she had no children, but was fond of another neighbors sons. After that, I noticed how hard she worked to give the impression they were hers. It was considered by many people to be sad, but very strange behavior.

I wonder if something like this went on with Molly. Supposedly she punished the son for telling people she was not his Mom.

Again with the "supposedly"?

 

[Francesca]

Regarding the birth stories - I don't have a link but I read somewhere that families from the school community/ neighborhood were surprised to learn after Jason's death that Molly was not the children's biological mother. But nobody was directly quoted as saying it. So I think this "nugget" came from a journalist who was looking for background info and got that without anyone being willing to go on record. Does this make it true that Molly intentionally wanted people to believe Jack and Sarah were her biological children? This sounds like a question that could be put on hold until/ if either the prosecution or defense wants to call up neighbors/ friends to testify in court. The lawyers might decide it's not relevant, OR either the prosecution or defense could find a friend/ neighbor with a story that bolsters their case.
With my close friends, I am confident I know for a fact whether their children are biological/ adopted/ stepchildren. With people I say hello to at the school gate or soccer practice, I don't necessarily know and it's not really relevant to me, so if a journalist asked me, I wouldn't be prepared to answer. However, if I'd been socializing with a friend for several years, confiding in each other about various things, in and out of each other's houses, and our kids playing together, it would be strange and disturbing to find out that the children came from a previous marriage that had never been mentioned.

 

[Electric Sheep]

I would love to hear an interview with the two children, out of the influence of either side. I am sure we will never hear that, on one side we have those who were there at the time, who have one agenda, and those who have custody after, who have another agenda. I feel so sorry for those kids.

 

[kittythehare]

some notes on the Grand Jury process and how indictments are brought about http://online11926.rssing.com/browser.php?indx=58116390&item=7118

 

[stmarysmead]

We are quoting things that were given in sworn depositions in a court of law. That gives them considerable weight. Not to mention, they were given by those who won the custody case.

 

[Hotchips]

I'm not so sure. Have you read her Instagram? She was actually engaging with critics. No attorney would let her do that if they were watching her social media.

Also, removing everything from the house was a stupid move because it played into the greedy widow depiction of her. I doubt her legal team for the criminal trial is happy with that stunt. It was one or more of her old neighbors who contacted the family. Apparently , they are not fans of Molly.

The fact that she removed all her "happy" photos ...everything from her old life...also appears deceptive. Why do that? What's she hiding? I think her legal team would tell her...stay off FB and close the account.

I don't think she removed everything from the house as was reported. A decision is yet to be made on that point by the court clerk so I'd prefer to wait for this decision before commenting further on it.

Yes I did see her instagram. My point about her posts was while she was posting publicly and yes engaging with some, none of it referred to anything that could potentially damage an upcoming self defence claim. Complaining about the corbetts is nothing compared to if she revealed prematurely about any evidence she had for her defence. She never once said anything about proof she had for her defence or anything pertaining to how she woud portray herself at trial. Maybe she has none but I'm inclined to think she has something up her sleeve. I'm sure she was warned of the possibility of charges even if she didn't think she would be charged and to be careful. As I said before, I'd be wary of relying on the word of neighbours who didn't like her. Things can get exaggerated. I am not on her side in case you think I am. I'm on no side but interested in the big picture and the why of this case. I am looking at it from both sides. The autopsy speaks for itself but that wont be the case closed.

The prosecution could have asked the court on the last occassion for her social media accounts to be closed down as I know the Corbett family were upset about her displaying photos of the children and there was an active campaign about this however this was not done only she was merely asked not to make contact with them. They could have claimed potential jury tainting.

 

[kittythehare]

We are quoting things that were given in sworn depositions in a court of law. That gives them considerable weight. Not to mention, they were given by those who won the custody case.

And yes, they are in print media but we do not have access to trial transcripts because the trial has not yet taken place. We are working within very bare and narrow confines with scanty information, but many of us are doing the very best we can under the circumstances we find ourselves in.
we are sleuthing, trying, seeking, searching, asking both ourselves and eachother to look at this in alternative ways, ways to open a confined paradigm.
I am so sorry if this is not enough but I really do not know what else we can or should do, but I am very willing to take guidance on this