GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #2

[kittythehare]

I would love to hear an interview with the two children, out of the influence of either side. I am sure we will never hear that, on one side we have those who were there at the time, who have one agenda, and those who have custody after, who have another agenda. I feel so sorry for those kids.

Why would those who have custody after have any agenda but to love and nurture those children, to heal them and to be there for them as dedicated parents?
They did not contribute to the childrens' orphanhood status.
Therefore there exists no parity, equality or 'sides'.
I lost a younger brother to a sudden death. If I had been forced to deal with a trial and a murder investigation in the wake of his death, I would have had to have been sedated and placed in a padded cell.
They did not ask for this and it is unfair to suggest they have an agenda that is somehow occult.

 

[stmarysmead]

And yes, they are in print media but we do not have access to trial transcripts because the trial has not yet taken place. We are working within very bare and narrow confines with scanty information, but many of us are doing the very best we can under the circumstances we find ourselves in.
we are sleuthing, trying, seeking, searching, asking both ourselves and eachother to look at this in alternative ways, ways to open a confined paradigm.
I am so sorry if this is not enough but I really do not know what else we can or should do, but I am very willing to take guidance on this

You are doing a splendid job. We all realize we are under limitations. But the autopsy is a bombshell.

By adding and subtracting and challenging each other's theories, I think we gain a bit of clarity.

For me a few things are intriguing...(in the context of what we know now)

Why did TM lie and say the bat was in his room and "new?" I think it's because he knew they would ask him where he got the bat, and he didn't know. Why? Because MM brought the bat to the room, not him.

Why, if things were so bad that MM had to call her parents to drive for hours and if there was a history of DV, why did she bring the children from safety into that dangerous situation?

What caused the custody judge to suddenly change his mind and make his decison for Jason's sister?

What about the room did NOT fit the description of a "donnybrook" according to experienced detectives on the scene?

Why didn't they stop?

 

[Electric Sheep]

However, if I'd been socializing with a friend for several years, confiding in each other about various things, in and out of each other's houses, and our kids playing together, it would be strange and disturbing to find out that the children came from a previous marriage that had never been mentioned.

It wouldn't disturb me at all, I would never have considered it any of my business.

 

[Kerryann]

I too feel terribly sorry for these children. To be robbed of the love and protection of a loving father now and in the years to come is truly horrific and no matter how much they are loved by Jason's family it is not enough.
With respect to agendas, the marterns agenda seems to be to stay out of jail. How low will they stoop to try to achieve this?
The agenda of the Corbett family seems to be the protection of the children and justice for Jason. Just my opinion, no 'links' .....

 

[stmarysmead]

One other point. What was foremost on MM's mind immediately after the murder? Not the murder! Getting custody!

Now, it doesn't take a genius to know that the fact that she and her Father admitted to killing her husband would be a hurtle. So if she had evidence of DV, wouldn't she USE it...just to get past that hurtle and improve her chances of custody. I think most of us agree that she wants desparate to hold on to those kids...so IMO, that evidence would be presented at the custody trial.

But we have heard nothing of it. And for some reason, the custody judge abruptly decided against her.

Hmmmm...

 

[Electric Sheep]

What about the room did NOT fit the description of a "donnybrook" according to experienced detectives on the scene?

That's actually a very good question. We are told there was skin, hair and brains all over the walls. What exactly didn't seem like a donnybrook?

 

[kittythehare]

That's actually a very good question. We are told there was skin, hair and brains all over the walls. What exactly didn't seem like a donnybrook?

actually, I too was wondering what it could possibly mean???

 

[Electric Sheep]

Why would those who have custody after have any agenda but to love and nurture those children, to heal them and to be there for them as dedicated parents?
They did not contribute to the childrens' orphanhood status.
Therefore there exists no parity, equality or 'sides'.
I lost a younger brother to a sudden death. If I had been forced to deal with a trial and a murder investigation in the wake of his death, I would have had to have been sedated and placed in a padded cell.
They did not ask for this and it is unfair to suggest they have an agenda that is somehow occult.

I can't know what their agenda is, but it may involve telling those children not to tell what they know. We can't know, obviously.

 

[Kerryann]

I have no answer to that since I did not see the crime scene and was not there on the night. However, the police who were did not think it seemed like a 'donnybrook' so we must accept that. Maybe because the hair and blood found belonged to jason only and no marks on tm or mm ? And Jason beaten to death....

 

[kittythehare]

I have no answer to that since I did not see the crime scene and was not there on the night. However, the police who were did not think it seemed like a 'donnybrook' so we must accept that. Maybe because the hair and blood found belonged to jason only and no marks on tm or mm ? And Jason beaten to death....

Good point.
The term 'donnybrook' is not used in Ireland to denote a big fight, melee. I know the media used this description but I did not hear it on the EMT call. It was reported as being how the father described the altercation. It was also said to be an Irish term for a brawl, but its not.

 

[Electric Sheep]

Good point.
The term 'donnybrook' is not used in Ireland to denote a big fight, melee. I know the media used this description but I did not hear it on the EMT call. It was reported as being how the father described the altercation. It was also said to be an Irish term for a brawl, but its not.

True, it is usually seen as a racist 19th century American term. Never heard it used in real life before this case.

Most Irish people would think RTE.

 

[kittythehare]

I can't know what their agenda is, but it may involve telling those children not to tell what they know. We can't know, obviously.

They have nothing to gain or lose by anything the children say. Its not an insurance claim, their brother was murdered.
If the childrens' evidence was required it would be obtained by highly skilled psychologists with specialties in child psychology.. oftentimes the questions are non verbal, sometimes drawings are used, lots of various media, art etc..
Its a child first ethos, their welfare is a priority here. Care would be taken so they do not obtain divided loyalties as a result of the questioning etc

 

[Electric Sheep]

They have nothing to gain or lose by anything the children say. Its not an insurance claim, their brother was murdered.
If the childrens' evidence was required it would be obtained by highly skilled psychologists with specialties in child psychology.. oftentimes the questions are non verbal, sometimes drawings are used, lots of various media, art etc..
Its a child first ethos, their welfare is a priority here. Care would be taken so they do not obtain divided loyalties as a result of the questioning etc

They have to gain or lose whether to be able to hold on to what they want to believe. That can be a very powerful motivator.

 

[kittythehare]

I too feel terribly sorry for these children. To be robbed of the love and protection of a loving father now and in the years to come is truly horrific and no matter how much they are loved by Jason's family it is not enough.
With respect to agendas, the marterns agenda seems to be to stay out of jail. How low will they stoop to try to achieve this?
The agenda of the Corbett family seems to be the protection of the children and justice for Jason. Just my opinion, no 'links' .....

Re martens staying out of jail. I suspect they will attack the police methodology, due process and various millions of legal loopholes regarding such things as dotted i's and fully crossed T's and it will go on forever.

 

[Kerryann]

They have to gain or lose whether to be able to hold on to what they want to believe. That can be a very powerful motivator.

What beliefs to you think they may wish to hold on to that truthful accounts by the children would destroy? I am intrigued and curious to know your ideas!

 

[Electric Sheep]

What beliefs to you think they may wish to hold on to that truthful accounts by the children would destroy? I am intrigued and curious to know your ideas!

They may want to believe that Jason would never be violent. The chldren's experience of their family life may be different. We don't know.

 

[kittythehare]

They may want to believe that Jason would never be violent. The chldren's experience of their family life may be different. We don't know.

Supposing he was guilty of violence, self defence is still looking like an unlikely scenario here.
the perpetrators were uninjured.

 

[Francesca]

I have no answer to that since I did not see the crime scene and was not there on the night. However, the police who were did not think it seemed like a 'donnybrook' so we must accept that. Maybe because the hair and blood found belonged to jason only and no marks on tm or mm ? And Jason beaten to death....

Maybe the police figured that things should be knocked over or pushed out of place if two or three adults are fighting in a furnished room. If there was no sign of a struggle or fight apart from the body on the floor, it would appear that the "donnybrook" began and ended very quickly. The police would see a lot of crime scenes, so it is the sort of thing they would judge very quickly... There would be crime scene photos to show what the room looked like, so the police would have to explain in court why they came to that conclusion based on those images.

 

[Kerryann]

They may want to believe that Jason would never be violent. The chldren's experience of their family life may be different. We don't know.

That's possible of course but how likely is it that he had a history of violence, based on the 'evidence' we have seen to date. We don't know the children's experience of family life. Violence on the part of tm and mm is undeniable. How will the defense bolster their claims of emotional and physical abuse I wonder?

 

[Electric Sheep]

Re martens staying out of jail. I suspect they will attack the police methodology, due process and various millions of legal loopholes regarding such things as dotted i's and fully crossed T's and it will go on forever.

Yes, that is usually how trials go. Would you expect this one to go differently?