GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #2

[kittythehare]

This is so sad... It tells me he had doubts but for the sake of the children...even sadder is that I bet Molly feels like she was totally honest with him...not sure if what she was like as a child would be interesting to know if I was a juror... I want to know what made her snap?

How could she feel she was totally honest with him when she managed to hide her bi-polar and 'physical' ailments for more than 4 years? The point I was making was only that she is a known proliferate liar.

 

[stephanddoody]

How could she feel she was totally honest with him when she managed to hide her bi-polar and 'physical' ailments for more than 4 years? The point I was making was only that she is a known proliferate liar.

In my own opinion Jason put the children before himself . Molly was moving. She didn't want to be in Ireland was sick of the cold missed her family . In my opinion this shows her character. She didn't take in consideration how the children felt about leaving their many cousins the same age group. She didn't consider how the children felt about leaving their aunts uncles grandparents and friends. She didn't consider how the children felt about leaving the creche their mother & godmother owned and attended everyday. Ireland was all they knew. She didn't consider how Jason felt about the decision to move leave family his workplace and lifelong friends. She was cold homesick and missed her family. Jason didn't want the children losing her. They loved her of course they did. Despite his concerns he made the leap . Again this shows his character. He did what made everyone else happy not necessarily what made him happy.

 

[Francesca]

http://campus.ie/surviving-college/...spicions-murder-grew-investigation-progressed

Reference here to ms lynch testifying that molly said she was penpals with the late mags corbett. Im sure whoever molly said this to can back this up or not if needs be.

Wow, this is a pretty damning article, making things look very bleak for Molly and Co. They could face up to 40 years in prison if found guilty of the more serious charge. I hope they have plenty of other witnesses to back up Ms Lynch's claims.

 

[kittythehare]

speaking of liars in the entourage, I found this early report.
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local-news/146225/Corbetts-believe-there-was-a-.html

See Freedman's lies-
David Freedman, Ms Martens’ lawyer, said she will continue to fight through the courts for custody, even though the children have now returned home, which the Corbett family have described as “callous”. “Molly had been the mother of those children for the past eight years and to have people come and take away children from her in the middle of the night, the only mother they have known, I thought was a fairly callous act,” he said in an interview broadcast on RTE Radio One yesterday. “It’s about as cold as anything I’ve ever experienced in 33 years of practising law.” Should any charges be brought, he said they are likely to plead not guilty.

Sharon broke the news, so she did very much have a role. A lying role
However, when the Corbett family originally learned of Jason’s death they were told by Sharon Martens, Molly’s mother, that Molly pushed Jason and that he died after banging his head.
thats another known lie.. he just fell following a playful push and his entire head became fractured.. just like that!

In this article Molly admitted to killing Jason http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/molly-confessed-to-tragic-jasons-killing-court-told-34345348.html
Mrs Lynch argued under questioning that the children needed protection from their stepmother, Ms Martens, who, she said, had admitted to killing her brother.

Other allegations were made by Mrs Lynch at the guardianship hearing. These included claims that Ms Martens was violent towards Jack Corbett on a number of occasions.
It was also claimed Ms Martens would drink alcoholic margaritas from a cup throughout the day, including when she was driving the children.


She alleged Ms Martens was prone to bouts of erratic behaviour and had said she suffered from bipolar disorder.
Mrs Lynch also told the court Ms Martens' relationship with the children was "unhealthy for very different reasons".

"Molly was very possessive of Sarah and didn't really demonstrate a caring for Jack," she testified.
All very very damning

 

[kittythehare]

here is another link to one of the earlier news reports. It gives good insight into how much the death of Mags affected him, his vulnerability in his grief, the massive effort it must have cost him to leave Ireland as Stephendoddy previously referred http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...wanted-the-kids-to-grow-up-here-31453201.html

 

[stmarysmead]

here is another link to one of the earlier news reports. It gives good insight into how much the death of Mags affected him, his vulnerability in his grief, the massive effort it must have cost him to leave Ireland as Stephendoddy previously referred http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...wanted-the-kids-to-grow-up-here-31453201.html

In regard to JS grief and vulnerability, Dec 27 on MM's timeline.

 

[searchinGirl]

So Tracey can testify about things Molly said to her or behavior she observed Molly do but she won't be able to testify about anything Molly said to anyone else or did around anyone else she didn't see herself because that would be hearsay...

 

[stephanddoody]

So Tracey can testify about things Molly said to her or behavior she observed Molly do but she won't be able to testify about anything Molly said to anyone else or did around anyone else she didn't see herself because that would be hearsay...

As far as I am aware that is correct . The person that observed what Molly did or said would have to testify themselves. There have been a few different people that have been asked or gave information to the police about what they observed .

 

[stmarysmead]

Another interesting fact to ponder: we have read that almost immediately after JC was murdered, MM and her Uncle tried to access Jason's private office. Speculation is that they were looking for the children's passports ( though they might have been looking for bank accounts, money, etc.)

But if it's true that the children's passports were kept in his office, why would that be? Was MM so unstable that JC feared having those passports where she might grab them and run off with his children? Why were the passports not in the family home?

Not only was MM not allowed to adopt, but JC took a second step to protect those children from her. He locked up their passports in a place she could not access.

If, of course, they went there, as speculated for passports...and not just immediately searching for any and all monies.

My opinion only.

 

[Hotchips]

Another interesting fact to ponder: we have read that almost immediately after JC was murdered, MM and her Uncle tried to access Jason's private office. Speculation is that they were looking for the children's passports ( though they might have been looking for bank accounts, money, etc.)

But if it's true that the children's passports were kept in his office, why would that be? Was MM so unstable that JC feared having those passports where she might grab them and run off with his children? Why were the passports not in the family home?

Not only was MM not allowed to adopt, but JC took a second step to protect those children from her. He locked up their passports in a place she could not access.

If, of course, they went there, as speculated for passports...and not just immediately searching for any and all monies.

My opinion only.

i have wondered about this too however if the passports were in fact kept in his office, why was this...... if he were in fact afriad of mollys behaviour towards his children, he locked them away, but then again he was happy enough for her to care for them on a daily basis while he was at work so this does not add up for me. i have always had a niggle about this, no matter what behaviours molly expressed towards him or the children, he still was happy for her to care for the children over a period of several years while this alleged behaviour was going on. he could have made subtle steps to limit her time with the chidlren like encouraging her to seek work outside the home and sourcing other child care arrangements. she most likely was volitile but has descriptions of her character been exagerrated?? we are not sure. However, on the flip side, as mentioned IF the passports and other items belonging to the children such as perhaps birth certs etc were indeed locked in his office, the defence could use this to their advantage too.....having items locked away from you etc could be exhibited as controlling behaviour towards her. Just saying.... my opinion only! depends on the individual looking from the outside in.

 

[stephanddoody]

Yes we don't know what was in the office that they wanted . Mike also mentioned he had rang the insurance companies maybe they needed documentation that Jason kept in his office again this is just speculation. We know she did have the passports because she was ordered in the custody case to hand them to the court but not if they were kept in the office.

 

[Frizby]

On the passport issue and the green card/residential status issue, it was reported that JC had recently obtained residential status for him and the children but this was applied (as reported) for on the basis of his employment and not for the fact that he had a US wife. Maybe it was documentation regarding this employer sponsored application that she was looking for.

He said his brother had confided in a close friend that he wished for the children to grow up in Ireland. “Jason, Jack and Sarah’s legal residence status or green card application was deliberately done through Jason’s job by Jason, and it was specifically to protect the children,” he said.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...rish-us-citizenship-sought-rejected-1.2335364

 

[Logic-lady]

i have wondered about this too however if the passports were in fact kept in his office, why was this...... if he were in fact afriad of mollys behaviour towards his children, he locked them away, but then again he was happy enough for her to care for them on a daily basis while he was at work so this does not add up for me. i have always had a niggle about this, no matter what behaviours molly expressed towards him or the children, he still was happy for her to care for the children over a period of several years while this alleged behaviour was going on. he could have made subtle steps to limit her time with the chidlren like encouraging her to seek work outside the home and sourcing other child care arrangements. she most likely was volitile but has descriptions of her character been exagerrated?? we are not sure. However, on the flip side, as mentioned IF the passports and other items belonging to the children such as perhaps birth certs etc were indeed locked in his office, the defence could use this to their advantage too.....having items locked away from you etc could be exhibited as controlling behaviour towards her. Just saying.... my opinion only! depends on the individual looking from the outside in.

I believe there was some speculation in the beginning from MM supporters, that Jason was abusing Molly, but it was put forward that the basis of this was that he was controlling and emotionally abusive, rather than physically abusive. I believe a member of the family implied that he was in fact using the children as a weapon to force Molly to remain with him....however, I think there has been plenty of information posted here previously on the options available to Molly should that have been the case, particularly her rights to the children should there be a perceived threat to them. Again I think the prosecution would have a strong case to dismiss this theory as a possible defense.

I think there will be plenty of character witnesses in this case, called on both sides, but I think ultimately it will come down to what happened that night. From the information we actually have, the level of overkill applied in this situation is excessive regardless of the personalities involved.

 

[Hotchips]

Yes we don't know what was in the office that they wanted . Mike also mentioned he had rang the insurance companies maybe they needed documentation that Jason kept in his office again this is just speculation. We know she did have the passports because she was ordered in the custody case to hand them to the court but not if they were kept in the office.

They could have been retreived from his office though as uncle mike stated they did go to the company a few days later and where Molly was given a box of Jason's personal effects from his office as was her right to collect as his next of kin but they never said what was in this box of items. It is interesting though why they were so concerned about whatever items were in his office so shortly after his death whatever was in them.

 

[Hotchips]

On the passport issue and the green card/residential status issue, it was reported that JC had recently obtained residential status for him and the children but this was applied (as reported) for on the basis of his employment and not for the fact that he had a US wife. Maybe it was documentation regarding this employer sponsored application that she was looking for.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...rish-us-citizenship-sought-rejected-1.2335364

Yes maybe. Perhaps Molly thought there was documentation there that would support her claim that he and the children were planning on staying permanently as in applying for citizenship in the future as was alleged by her uncle Mike such as application forms etc that may have been useful for the custody case although im not sure if he was there long enough to apply, im not aware of the currrent requirements for these applications. in the applications for legal residence even if applied through his employer, he still would have had to give information of his marital status. It is actually easier and quicker to get permanent residence through an employer as there is a lot of scrutiny on marriage based visa applications to ensure they are genuine. Its a strange one, her hurry to clear out his office.wonder did she go through his work laptop before the police confiscated it?

 

[Logic-lady]

They could have been retreived from his office though as uncle mike stated they did go to the company a few days later and where Molly was given a box of Jason's personal effects from his office as was her right to collect as his next of kin but they never said what was in this box of items. It is interesting though why they were so concerned about whatever items were in his office so shortly after his death whatever was in them.

Again, there was reference some time back to Molly having an affair...perhaps if Jason had suspected an affair he would have tried to collect some evidence to back up his suspicions? It would make sense that he would keep anything of this nature secure at work rather than risk Molly or the kids stumbling across it at home. If this was the catalist for the argument that night, it is possible that Jason admitted he had proof of her filandering and that was why there was such a scramble to get into the office. Surely proof that Molly was being unfaithful would have been detrimental to her custody claim?

 

[Electric Sheep]

In my own opinion Jason put the children before himself . Molly was moving. She didn't want to be in Ireland was sick of the cold missed her family . In my opinion this shows her character. She didn't take in consideration how the children felt about leaving their many cousins the same age group. She didn't consider how the children felt about leaving their aunts uncles grandparents and friends. She didn't consider how the children felt about leaving the creche their mother & godmother owned and attended everyday. Ireland was all they knew. She didn't consider how Jason felt about the decision to move leave family his workplace and lifelong friends. She was cold homesick and missed her family. Jason didn't want the children losing her. They loved her of course they did. Despite his concerns he made the leap . Again this shows his character. He did what made everyone else happy not necessarily what made him happy.

Did Jason's actions make everyone happy though? Everything you say above that Molly did not consider about the children could equally be applied to Jason, and they were his children. He must have had some very powerful motivation to up sticks, sell his house and move half way across the world.

 

[Logic-lady]

Did Jason's actions make everyone happy though? Everything you say above that Molly did not consider about the children could equally be applied to Jason, and they were his children. He must have had some very powerful motivation to up sticks, sell his house and move half way across the world.

I agree...I think the tendancy to portray Molly as a monster is detrimental to the case. I can understand why Jason might decide to try a fresh start for him and the kids, at the end of the day, he was obviously devastated when he lost Mags and I'm sure the memories they shared in Limerick must have overwhelmed him at times. Right or wrong, whether she connived him or not, he decided to try a new life in America, with Molly and the kids, and it certainly, from outside appearances was relatively happy for large portions of their time there. I don't see how detracting from that life helps the case.

I would imagine living with someone who suffers from mental health issues would have had it's up's, aswell as down times. If Molly was being treated and responding well to her prescription, it is possible that they had a relatively happy home life for long spells of time. This would also have attributed to Jason's difficulty in walking away, as he would have seen the up/positive side of Molly. Human beings generally take people at face value, once you have seen the soft, kind, caring side of someone it is hard to walk away, even if that is suddenly overcome by a mean, nasty, vindictive side. Generally people always believe that a person WANTS to get back to being the nicer person.

It is possible that Molly's behaviour started to change slowly over time. It is far more complicated than her simply turning into an ogre and Jason choosing not to walk away. Even as supportive as his family are, he would have had to cope with the 'I told you so' brigade, that it had all failed. That is a hard realisation when you are the sole parent left to ensure the happiness of your children! I believe the financial worries that we have heard mention of are common in partner's who live with someone suffering from bi-polar, perhaps Molly was building to a manic phase and Jason was just overwhelmed...he doesn't seem to have been the personality who would walk away from someone who needed him. A manipulator would know how to exploit that 'weakness'.

Again, I think this case comes down to the overkill...hopefully there will be a date set today to move this forward for everyone!

 

[stephanddoody]

Did Jason's actions make everyone happy though? Everything you say above that Molly did not consider about the children could equally be applied to Jason, and they were his children. He must have had some very powerful motivation to up sticks, sell his house and move half way across the world.

I would assume that he loved her and wanted her to be happy he did marry her 3 weeks later after moving .He also knew the children loved her . I'm not aware of any realtionship problems when they were in Ireland so they seemed to have been relatively happy . Molly gave the ultimatum she was going . Does he break his children's hearts and lose the woman he loved or does he take the leap and give it a try . For the families sake. I think that's powerful motivation for any parent .

 

[Electric Sheep]

I would assume that he loved her and wanted her to be happy he did marry her 3 weeks later after moving .He also knew the children loved her . I'm not aware of any realtionship problems when they were in Ireland so they seemed to have been relatively happy . Molly gave the ultimatum she was going . Does he break his children's hearts and lose the woman he loved or does he take the leap and give it a try . For the families sake. I think that's powerful motivation for any parent .

Do we know for sure that Molly gave an ultimatum that she was going? Could it be that the move was a mutual decision to make a fresh start in a new place where they would not have to live with constant comparisons of Molly to the "real wife" Mags by Jason's family? We really have no way of knowing.