GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #2

[stephanddoody]

Do we know for sure that Molly gave an ultimatum that she was going? Could it be that the move was a mutual decision to make a fresh start in a new place where they would not have to live with constant comparisons of Molly to the "real wife" Mags by Jason's family? We really have no way of knowing.

yes you are right we don't know for certain but information that is available suggests this was the case. Maybe there might have been other reasons . Visa issues may have come into it? I'm really not certain as I didnt find any sworn testimony only this article


http://evoke.ie/news/jason-corbett-wasnt-ready-to-marry-claims-best-friend

 

[Electric Sheep]

yes you are right we don't know for certain but information that is available suggests this was the case. Maybe there might have been other reasons . Visa issues may have come into it? I'm really not certain as I didnt find any sworn testimony only this article


http://evoke.ie/news/jason-corbett-wasnt-ready-to-marry-claims-best-friend

That is true, there may have been visa issues.

A work and travel visa for a US citizen to work in Ireland is only valid for 12 months, so Molly seems to have outstayed her visa. By the way, to be eligible for that visa Molly would have to have graduated within 12 months of the application, so she must have been able to document that to get the visa in the first place.

 

[stmarysmead]

That is true, there may have been visa issues.

A work and travel visa for a US citizen to work in Ireland is only valid for 12 months, so Molly seems to have outstayed her visa. By the way, to be eligible for that visa Molly would have to have graduated within 12 months of the application, so she must have been able to document that to get the visa in the first place.

Will you please link to your source? I see nothing like that here...

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...ireland/coming_to_work_in_ireland.html#l1f4da

Or here

https://www.aupairworld.com/en/au_pair_program/ireland/au_pair/check

 

[stmarysmead]

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Do you have a basic knowledge of English? Do you have a basic knowledge of English?
Are you single and without children? Are you single and without children?
Can you pay for your travel costs? Can you pay for your travel costs?
Do you wish to go to Ireland to learn a foreign language and take care of children? Do you wish to go to Ireland to learn a foreign language and take care of children?
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[stmarysmead]

There is a "work and travel visa" for au pairs...but there are other options....obviously older women can apply for nanny jobs. Not ever single child care person from US in the entire country of Ireland just graduated from college.

 

[Electric Sheep]

Will you please link to your source? I see nothing like that here...

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...ireland/coming_to_work_in_ireland.html#l1f4da

Or here

https://www.aupairworld.com/en/au_pair_program/ireland/au_pair/check

https://www.aupairworld.com/en/au_pair_program/ireland/au_pair/visa/non_eu

 

[stmarysmead]

https://www.aupairworld.com/en/au_pair_program/ireland/au_pair/visa/non_eu

Yes, I see that. I also see that an American citizen needs no visa to enter Ireland. And we can't be sure what arrangements were made between JC and MM. Did he just place an ad...and over she hopped? Did he use an agency? You may be right that there is not one single child care worker...in Ireland from the US...that did not just graduate from college 12 months ago...but I do believe we are missing something here. An older experienced Nanny BANNED because she went to Harvard 10 tears ago.

I'm thinking that is silly.

 

[Electric Sheep]

There is a "work and travel visa" for au pairs...but there are other options....obviously older women can apply for nanny jobs. Not ever single child care person from US in the entire country of Ireland just graduated from college.

Certainly they can apply for nanny jobs, but they are highly unlikely to be granted a visa for one. Just as if an Irish person applied for a nanny job in the US, they would be highly unlikely to be granted a green card.

 

[Electric Sheep]

Yes, I see that. I also see that an American citizen needs no visa to enter Ireland. And we can't be sure what arrangements were made between JC and MM. Did he just place an ad...and over she hopped? Did he use an agency? You may be right that there is not one single child care worker...in Ireland from the US...that did not just graduate from college 12 months ago...but I do believe we are missing something here. An older experienced Nanny BANNED because she went to Harvard 10 tears ago.

I'm thinking that is silly.

I am sure it will come out at the trial, but I must say with all the other information being bandied about, it seems odd that the simple detail of how Molly came to be working for Jason has never been revealed.

 

[stmarysmead]

I am sure it will come out at the trial, but I must say with all the other information being bandied about, it seems odd that the simple detail of how Molly came to be working for Jason has never been revealed.

Now theres something on which we can agree. Several of my friends here in the US employ au pairs...and there is a time and age restriction. But hiring a full time Nanny is a different category. One is temporary work; the other considered full time ongoing employment.

But we just don't know much about Miss Molly...beyond the heinous details in her dead husbands autopsy...which, to me, provide some relevant character analysis.

I also see clues to her nature in her FB. For example, if I knew there was a Mother grieving the loss of her beloved son on her first Mothers Day without him, and I had KILLED that Mother's son... I would not post chirpy wishes for Irish Mothers to have jolly breakfasts in bed on Mothers Day.

I found that ignorant or cruel...can't decide which.

 

[kittythehare]

Do we know for sure that Molly gave an ultimatum that she was going? Could it be that the move was a mutual decision to make a fresh start in a new place where they would not have to live with constant comparisons of Molly to the "real wife" Mags by Jason's family? We really have no way of knowing.

where are you getting 'the constant comparisons of Molly by Jason's family to the real wife'
I have seen nothing on either print or hearsay to suggest she was mistreated or bullied or treated in any fashion that was not gracious welcoming and accommodating.
BTW I live very close to that family and if there was anything except goodness and kindness there I would not trouble myself or be putting work into it.
Your comment is without foundation or evidence and I wonder at it

 

[kittythehare]

I am sure it will come out at the trial, but I must say with all the other information being bandied about, it seems odd that the simple detail of how Molly came to be working for Jason has never been revealed.

I doubt very much it is being concealed either.
What bearing would it have on the autopsy, do you think?

 

[Electric Sheep]

I doubt very much it is being concealed either.
What bearing would it have on the autopsy, do you think?

No effect on the autopsy, but I would find it intersting.

 

[fido]

Wudnt Jason have requested references and expected her to have experience with children? Assuming this to be true, what experience did she have with children other than babysitting for family which is completely different to caring full time for v young babies/toddlers.Who gave references? Did she have any background in childcare.. I really would like to know that.

 

[stmarysmead]

No effect on the autopsy, but I would find it intersting.

Our curiosity has nothing to do with Justice. This Father and daughter are claiming they were in a battle with The Incredible Hulk. A battle to the death. Yet an old man and a slight woman have not a bruise or a scratch on them.

And this dangerous BIG heavy man, adrenalin flowing...has what...marshmallow hands? He can be beaten over and over and over...but the Increible Hulk cannot land a blow to make a teeny bruise?

 

[Logic-lady]

I don't think the issue of how Molly became an au pair has been brought up, because I don't think people foresaw it as relevant to the case. Molly was the fourth au pair that Jason had tried prior to returning to work full time, so one could reason that he had used an agency so he could choose from a number of suitable candidates to get the right fit. I also believe it was stated on social media, that they had spoken both on the phone and via e-mail numerous times before she accepted the position. It seems as though it was all above board....I'm not sure digging this far into the past is benefitting the case. If there was the potential to uncover something sinister from Molly's past then it would make sense, but alot of sleuthing has happened over the two threads and no-one seems to be able to shed any light on Molly's 'missing years', or indeed anything concrete to suggest that this murder was pre-meditated.

 

[kittythehare]

Electric Sheep, Jason's wife was a woman named Mags . She was an extraordinarily successful and well regarded business woman.
She ran wonderful creche facilities, people were queuing to place their children in one of her creches.
She was dynamic, she had a brilliant mind, she was witty and she was bright.
She was known to be a genius at child care, ahead of her time.
People still speak of her work.
She was the kind of woman who would know your soul just be looking at you. I knew her to see and we shared many smiles (I had a massive dog and my mother hated to see me coming to visit with dog in tow he was huge but an eternal puppy, which was awkward, for many/most people)
Mags would often be in the garden when I would arrive with trepidition, with his nibs and she would just throw back her head and roar laughing.
She was a beautiful light.
My big dog died the same night Mags Corbett died. I was devastated and the local community were stricken and grief struck for a very long time afterwards.
That is not usual in rural Ireland.

The anecdote is by way of explaining context. She was in the business of child care, she was highly experienced and highly qualified. Finding a suitable nanny is never an easy business but its easier when one is in the business.
I actually worked for an agency that placed nurses doctors and nannys in the USA and the middle east several years ago. And yes, nannys were allowed to apply for Green Cards after a period of either a year or 18 months in the uSA.
The process of obtaining Green Cards is much more complex since 9/11, but still San Bernadino happened just some months ago.. and flawed visa processes is being bandied around as one of the contributory factors.
Ireland's laws are far more lax.. its much easier for an American to live and even work here.
If Jason had advertised and an experienced and reputable agency presented her or even if she replied directly and produced good character references and a glossy CV she could have been hired.

 

[stmarysmead]

If she stunned him into unconsciousness and then had a helpless man at her feet and continued to pummel him with bat and brick till he was dead, every blow after the first one could be construed as "premeditated."

 

[stmarysmead]

Electric Sheep, Jason's wife was a woman named Mags . She was an extraordinarily successful and well regarded business woman.
She ran wonderful creche facilities, people were queuing to place their children in one of her creches.
She was dynamic, she had a brilliant mind, she was witty and she was bright.
She was known to be a genius at child care, ahead of her time.
People still speak of her work.
She was the kind of woman who would know your soul just be looking at you. I knew her to see and we shared many smiles (I had a massive dog and my mother hated to see me coming to visit with dog in tow he was huge but an eternal puppy, which was awkward, for many/most people)
Mags would often be in the garden when I would arrive with trepidition, with his nibs and she would just throw back her head and roar laughing.
She was a beautiful light.
My big dog died the same night Mags Corbett died. I was devastated and the local community were stricken and grief struck for a very long time afterwards.
That is not usual in rural Ireland.

The anecdote is by way of explaining context. She was in the business of child care, she was highly experienced and highly qualified. Finding a suitable nanny is never an easy business but its easier when one is in the business.
I actually worked for an agency that placed nurses doctors and nannys in the USA and the middle east several years ago. And yes, nannys were allowed to apply for Green Cards after a period of either a year or 18 months in the uSA.
The process of obtaining Green Cards is much more complex since 9/11, but still San Bernadino happened just some months ago.. and flawed visa processes is being bandied around as one of the contributory factors.
Ireland's laws are far more lax.. its much easier for an American to live and even work here.
If Jason had advertised and an experienced and reputable agency presented her or even if she replied directly and produced good character references and a glossy CV she could have been hired.

Kitty, you have brought Mags to life for us...what a poignant and beautiful post. So much tragedy...lives lost too young.

 

[stephanddoody]

If she stunned him into unconsciousness and then had a helpless man at her feet and continued to pummel him with bat and brick till he was dead, every blow after the first one could be construed as "premeditated."

I agree there comes a point you are no longer just protecting yourself you have made a conciseness decision to murder . We can assume Jason hadn't hit them with the bat because neither have any marks. So the first slap across the head would have done the job in the self defence side of things. He was continuously beaten till there was no chance of him surviving. Accidents do happen but in my humble opinion Jasons death was not . If it had been one blow to the head and not multiple then I could believe the self defence not with overkill. In my eyes it is murder maybe there was no premeditation in the days or weeks before but they did want him dead