GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #3

[Hotchips]

I find this latest reporting incredibly sad to be honest. I cannot read the daily mail article as they don't publish online but I have seen screenshots of various parts of it on the JFJ page and Ive gathered the content of it from the commentary and the excerpts from his book, which I must download and have a read. I expect his sales to go through the roof now after that interview. Her medical history will be brought to light in the trial as medical records cannot be faked so will be interesting to see what comes to light...now my next question,now that this gentleman has given an explosive tell all interview to the daily rag which has inevitably led to a book plug for him, will he be regarded as a credible witness for the prosecution??? Critical thinking here on my part, possible Defence moves on this one.... Bitter jealous ex whom she left to move abroad, he furious of having wasted his time and effort trying to deal with her mental health and then she leaves him....but he being a bidding writer sees a potential seller here and writes her story to make money... Shame on him using anothers misfortune to try make a buck esp mental health issues as it is something that nearly touches every family at some point.......all possible defence responses to counteract this IMO.....it may even garner some support for molly....poor molly suffering for years....her cold hearted family not able to deal with her issues and shipped her off......On a personal level, having a family member who suffers on and off from mental health issues, it is incredibly difficult to deal with someone who believe there is nothing wrong with them and who are master manipulators through no fault of their own. I find it incredulous that this man spoke to the press at all pre trial esp the daily mail however they tracked him down. I sincerely hope he did not get paid for that interview. It's one thing digging dirt for the press and the public perception, but another if content is to be relied upon as evidence in a murder trial. I'm veering away from the general public response to this article as I am interested in the defence tactics in this case and how it can be interpreted and counteracted.

 

[stmarysmead]

There used to be a stigma if your child had epilepsy: now, we just get our child help. I am frankly flabbergasted at the extent to which the extended family has gone to try to deny that MM has bipolar disease. Like many family issues, it's a lifelong situation but there should be no shame. Perhaps MM has has to deal, not only with her illness but with this terrible family reaction of shame over a condition that is, in no way, her fault.

The family secret. They will cover a murder. They will put young children in the crosshairs of her rages. They will defame the memory of a good man. And now they will harass and humiliate a truth telling hero.

They seem to fear the truth more than they fear the future...what might happen in the future if Molly's rages are not controlled or confronted?

How appalling that they wanted to risk those children to that uncertain and frightening future.

My opinions only.

 

[stmarysmead]

I find this latest reporting incredibly sad to be honest. I cannot read the daily mail article as they don't publish online but I have seen screenshots of various parts of it on the JFJ page and Ive gathered the content of it from the commentary and the excerpts from his book, which I must download and have a read. I expect his sales to go through the roof now after that interview. Her medical history will be brought to light in the trial as medical records cannot be faked so will be interesting to see what comes to light...now my next question,now that this gentleman has given an explosive tell all interview to the daily rag which has inevitably led to a book plug for him, will he be regarded as a credible witness for the prosecution??? Critical thinking here on my part, possible Defence moves on this one.... Bitter jealous ex whom she left to move abroad, he furious of having wasted his time and effort trying to deal with her mental health and then she leaves him....but he being a bidding writer sees a potential seller here and writes her story to make money... Shame on him using anothers misfortune to try make a buck esp mental health issues as it is something that nearly touches every family at some point.......all possible defence responses to counteract this IMO.....it may even garner some support for molly....poor molly suffering for years....her cold hearted family not able to deal with her issues and shipped her off......On a personal level, having a family member who suffers on and off from mental health issues, it is incredibly difficult to deal with someone who believe there is nothing wrong with them and who are master manipulators through no fault of their own. I find it incredulous that this man spoke to the press at all pre trial esp the daily mail however they tracked him down. I sincerely hope he did not get paid for that interview. It's one thing digging dirt for the press and the public perception, but another if content is to be relied upon as evidence in a murder trial. I'm veering away from the general public response to this article as I am interested in the defence tactics in this case and how it can be interpreted and counteracted.

I could not disagree more.

The book was written years ago. There was no public interest in Molly's rages and lies at that point. If it had been written since August, they might be able to argue a profit motive, but they cannot argue that he had any reason years ago...to inflate the story to sell books now. The content therefore , remains unimpeachable.

If they DO try to impeach his characterization of Molly, then they open a real can of worms. They can be impeached by hospital records of her stay. Their denial of medications can bring forward records from various pharmacies the family has used. And, let's not forget, the prosecution may have uncovered a great deal more of Molly's "missing period." Is she a Clemson grad as she claimed...a Emory graduate matriculator...very easy to check. How about high school attendance records...if onset of her mental illness began at that time?

Suddenly, the reason that JC refused to let her adopt his beloved children becomes much more understandable. The incident of rage holding the older child under water, the rage at her own wedding, the parents who jump in the car and drive back after a phone call.

The picture of MM begins to fill in. It's only just begun. Very, very good news for the prosecution. Defense must be gagging.

My opinion only.

 

[searchinGirl]

Tks kitty. Once Holten has a chance to recover himself the defence will spin it something like this.... Molly fled to Ireland to escape a controlling Ex boyfriend ... He never forgave her and now is a failed writer trying to /re ignite interest promote his book etc etc. They will do their best to discredit him - it's all they can do. Discredit him like they try to discredit Jason.. I hope he didn't get paid for the interview though. The defence will use that to their advantage..
I see the point you are making frizby about the parents not being able to stop her going to Ireland.. They might have thought a fresh start would help her but they stayed silent when she lied about meds in custody case.. It's extraordinary that they thought the children could be safe with her after they saw what was done to Jason..
If she continues to deny she was on meds cant the prosecution get discovery of her medical records?

I think Holton might do more than attempt to discredit him...He might have grounds to sue him if he didn't secure a release from Molly and maybe that's what the phone call was about...I mean, in the forward of the book KM says one name has been changed to protect his/her identity...but then he outs her to the Mail?...and KM can't deny by doing so sales of his book increased ... he states several times why she lies about her meds...because she doesn't want people to judge her for bipolar disorder... what KM has to say is totally believable - all of it... but all it proves for the prosecution is she was willing to lie to keep the kids...understandable in some Mother's minds...it doesn't prove murder...and remember that trial de novo? I think it applies to this situation too...I hope KM consulted an attorney prior to talking...just sayin' IMO (please don't be mad at me)

Holton's statement pertaining to "the facts"... I think his defense is going to be strait forward self-defense... imminent threat of deadly force, DV... overkill explained away as an over-reaction...typical of abused wives who kill...with former FBI agent fathers trained to kill, not disable...IMO...I can't say for sure if this is posted here already but Holton has an impressive record... http://walterholton.com/walter.php ...he's a former federal prosecutor for NC appointed by Clinton, he started out in the District Attorney's office for Forsyth County where his family dates back 200+ years (as does mine) but in particular notable lawyers (not mine)...his law practice is himself and three women (related somehow I think) ... he's been a defense lawyer now for about 10 years ...and they cover just about all aspects of law and litigation...it seems to me he is saying all that happened that early morning was in the context of DV & SD...and not mental illness and everything else is irrelevant...my guess is that he will say JC, while otherwise a kind and generous man, snapped and attacked, and his size alone against Molly made him deadly even if she is a mental mess... it explains the overkill...IMO...again, I'm sorry for saying it but it could happen...and it's very sad because I don't think we will ever hear the truth of the matter...

 

[stmarysmead]

Once again, a lawsuit will open a HUGE can of worms for MM. Once in court, she will need to prove that her ex is lying. She will need to pay attorneys and hire experts to discredit him.

All that publicity while she's trying to prove she is Little Mary Sunshine and her beaten-to-a-pulp husband is the abuser who...gee...left not a mark on her or her elderly father.

The fact that the EX's story was written years ago...makes the content highly credible...no matter what profit might come his way now. The fact that his description of MM, written years before she committed murder, matches the description given under oath by her inlaws is also highly problematic.

I believe that it's possible that a list of lies that MM has already told, on social media and under oath may already be a possibility. Her credibility is key. If she tries to savage her ex and is found to be lying, her case is essentially damaged beyond repair.

But I bet the Prosecution is smiling and thinking..BRING IT ON.

My opinion only.

 

[Hotchips]

I could not disagree more.

The book was written years ago. There was no public interest in Molly's rages and lies at that point. If it had been written since August, they might be able to argue a profit motive, but they cannot argue that he had any reason years ago...to inflate the story to sell books now. The content therefore , remains unimpeachable.

If they DO try to impeach his characterization of Molly, then they open a real can of worms. They can be impeached by hospital records of her stay. Their denial of medications can bring forward records from various pharmacies the family has used. And, let's not forget, the prosecution may have uncovered a great deal more of Molly's "missing period." Is she a Clemson grad as she claimed...a Emory graduate matriculator...very easy to check. How about high school attendance records...if onset of her mental illness began at that time?

Suddenly, the reason that JC refused to let her adopt his beloved children becomes much more understandable. The incident of rage holding the older child under water, the rage at her own wedding, the parents who jump in the car and drive back after a phone call.

The picture of MM begins to fill in. It's only just begun. Very, very good news for the prosecution. Defense must be gagging.

My opinion only.

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree, we won't fall out. Just had a read through his website. The local newspapers in knoxville published articles on this book back in 2011. He has them listed in his review section. The martens no doubt would have seen these...after all you would take note if you saw your daughter's ex being written about in the local press which could have led them to look for the book, natural curiousity, though the reviews and articles do not mention his struggles with her only the problems he suffered from but they would have known who he wrote about. He seems to be open about his own mental health issues,maybe this is what attracted them to each other to begin with. How long where they together and where did they meet? Anyone here who read the daily mail article in full maybe could answer this?

 

[Frizby]

I think Holton might do more than attempt to discredit him...He might have grounds to sue him if he didn't secure a release from Molly and maybe that's what the phone call was about...I mean, in the forward of the book KM says one name has been changed to protect his/her identity...but then he outs her to the Mail?...and KM can't deny by doing so sales of his book increased ... he states several times why she lies about her meds...because she doesn't want people to judge her for bipolar disorder... what KM has to say is totally believable - all of it... but all it proves for the prosecution is she was willing to lie to keep the kids...understandable in some Mother's minds...it doesn't prove murder...and remember that trial de novo? I think it applies to this situation too...I hope KM consulted an attorney prior to talking...just sayin' IMO (please don't be mad at me)

Wouldn't that only have relevance and any argument if he was not going to be a witness of any sort? If he is a witness, then the history would have been exposed as would the existence of the book. I would hope that he has spoken to a lawyer but I do suspect that MM history, particularly that immediately prior to her moving to Ireland will be brought into evidence. I have no doubt that the sales of his book will increase now, but if this had have waited until trial, the sales would have also increased then do you think? He has already confirmed that he did not receive any payment for the article that appeared in today's Irish Daily Mail.

 

[kittythehare]

I could not disagree more.

The book was written years ago. There was no public interest in Molly's rages and lies at that point. If it had been written since August, they might be able to argue a profit motive, but they cannot argue that he had any reason years ago...to inflate the story to sell books now. The content therefore , remains unimpeachable.

If they DO try to impeach his characterization of Molly, then they open a real can of worms. They can be impeached by hospital records of her stay. Their denial of medications can bring forward records from various pharmacies the family has used. And, let's not forget, the prosecution may have uncovered a great deal more of Molly's "missing period." Is she a Clemson grad as she claimed...a Emory graduate matriculator...very easy to check. How about high school attendance records...if onset of her mental illness began at that time?

Suddenly, the reason that JC refused to let her adopt his beloved children becomes much more understandable. The incident of rage holding the older child under water, the rage at her own wedding, the parents who jump in the car and drive back after a phone call.

The picture of MM begins to fill in. It's only just begun. Very, very good news for the prosecution. Defense must be gagging.

My opinion only.

They are gagging. Like her followers,
abusing, choking, smothering and above all they are lying and abusive.
Contagious.

 

[Frizby]

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree, we won't fall out. Just had a read through his website. The local newspapers in knoxville published articles on this book back in 2011. He has them listed in his review section. The martens no doubt would have seen these...after all you would take note if you saw your daughter's ex being written about in the local press which could have led them to look for the book, natural curiousity, though the reviews and articles do not mention his struggles with her only the problems he suffered from but they would have known who he wrote about. He seems to be open about his own mental health issues,maybe this is what attracted them to each other to begin with. How long where they together and where did they meet? Anyone here who read the daily mail article in full maybe could answer this?

See my post #208, gives my best synopsis of the article with quotes, dates, etc. Tried to link the post in this but could not.

Edit - And #217, some more details of segmented parts of the article.

 

[stmarysmead]

I would not want to go into a trial with years of my life in the line...relying on credibility...yet a boatload of lies in my history.

JC has a sister-in-law that lived with him and his first wife who will testify to his gentleness. MM and TM had no injuries in this supposed "donnybrook" that left parts of her husband's skull on walls and bedroom furniture.

So MM and TM start out at that disadvantage. Therefore any little lie...becomes another knot in the noose that will convict her. Was she never hospitalized for mental illness? Has she never had rages in public? Has she truly taken no medication for years and years? Easy enough to prove if MM is being lied about...or if she is the liar.

I imagine the jury will look at the autopsy and the amazing lack of bruise or bump on an old man and a slight woman...and then start to assess...is this woman credible? Her whole life is available now for the purposes of the Prosecution. Her ENTIRE Life.

SM will be called to the stand. She can't be required to testify against TM...but she can be asked about MM. And Uncle Mike...he claims in depth knowledge of this family. He can be put under oath, the FBI agent, and asked these questions.

I believe...it is my opinion, that the family has been appallingly negligent in their approach to their daughters mental illness and to the safety of others in her "orbit." Now the family secrets will be examined...under oath. They must also think about the possibility of a civil trial as well. There was a way to deal with this tragedy with integrity, compassion, and truth.

The Martens are choosing to malign a dead man. They chose to fight to put small children in the care of a very troubled rage prone sick woman. Their choices are beyond appalling. They are chilling. It's a degree of selfishness that is astounding.

My opinions only.

 

[Hotchips]

See my post #208, gives my best synopsis of the article with quotes, dates, etc. Tried to link the post in this but could not.

Edit - And #217, some more details of segmented parts of the article.

Thanks frizby..just re-read your posts. My questions answered much appreciated!

 

[pet friend]

I actually think it is incredibly sad, Molly has obviously been broken for such a long time and was so ashamed of the stigma of mental illness on her 'fine family' that she ran away to another country to try to escape her demons. I can see why Jason was taken in, he was broken too, and so, so vulnerable. How could he possibly leave her when he knew how desperate she had been, when they had planned a new life to start over together. How could he be the one to take that chance away from her no matter how unhappy he was?

I have seen some of the vile attacks on Keith MacGinn since the article was published and it speaks volumes. Even now, Molly's mental health issues are something to be ashamed of. All of her supporters are lashing out, claiming corruption....at any point will any of these people actually stop and help Molly?! Sad, sad, sad!

I am having difficulty putting words together to describe the depth of my feelings regarding the latest revelations in Jason's murder case. That one family , the Marten's & their relatives the Earnest family, have lied to the degree they have I have lost count of their attempts to smear honest people's reputations. The other day the word "grifters", came into my mind & the word ruthlessness. How else to describe people so dysfunctional? Once again I am so sorry for what Jason's family & friends have endured.

 

[searchinGirl]

Wouldn't that only have relevance and any argument if he was not going to be a witness of any sort? If he is a witness, then the history would have been exposed as would the existence of the book. I would hope that he has spoken to a lawyer but I do suspect that MM history, particularly that immediately prior to her moving to Ireland will be brought into evidence. I have no doubt that the sales of his book will increase now, but if this had have waited until trial, the sales would have also increased then do you think? He has already confirmed that he did not receive any payment for the article that appeared in today's Irish Daily Mail.

well, he's not going to be a witness unless the prosecution wants him to be (or the defense and I can't imagine the case for that)... so he needs to fit in with the "theory of prosecution"... and I'm wondering what that might be... that she provoked Jason by not taking her meds? or by lying about taking meds?...Like I said, even if true, if he was angry and threatening to her, it doesn't matter if she was defending herself... and, I don't think you should think of her as a drug addict...I mean while she can't function well without them, she is prescribed these drugs...I'm thinking though that she used KM for his muscle relaxers because I'm not at all sure how that relates to HER pain...but it sounds like she was self-medicating...and that bears mention of something else...I wonder if the trazodone in Jason's system was prescribed for him?... that could make a difference... if it was prescribed for Molly and he took it, then, that might not be so good ...however, it might be the way to get medical records introduced for both parties...I'm sure everyone wants to know who prescribed the trazodone for whom and for what purpose?...IMO

 

[stmarysmead]

In my opinion, the theory of the Prosecution will be that JC was not "provoked" at all. That is the defense position.

There were three people involved in a "donnybrook." The Defense claims that the raging, provoked individual sustained ALL the injuries and the reasonable, controlled individuals with the bat and the brick...sustained no injuries.

JC as the Incredible Hulk with marshmallow hands.

Or maybe this..I suggest the Prosecution bring the child's inflatable punching bag to court. Does as much damage as JC did to TM and MM that night...

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...KbMAhUHx4MKHfoaB14QMwgbKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

 

[Francesca]

I think the civil case is certainly shaping up in the Corbett family's favor - it is appalling that M's parents did not exercise any duty of care when she announced that she was off to Ireland. Once when I was seriously ill as a very young woman, I also talked a lot about going overseas as if I could escape my illness - my parents were in the middle of an acrimonious divorce but they banded together long enough so that my mother could hand my passport to my father, so I wouldn't have access to it. Of course, their main goal was that I would grow well again, and there was no stigma attached to my illness, so no "need" for secrecy.
I don't think this man would be needed as a witness in the trial, although he certainly provides plenty of avenues for the prosecution to explore, so they can get expert witnesses to testify about Molly's prognosis and her treatment, and the parents' attitude to her condition. Medical people would make better witnesses, because everything they say will be emotionless and corroborated by documentation.
Interesting that so many people here have been speculating about Molly's "lost years" with no trace of her life on the Internet, yet there was a book about her on Amazon! From what I've read, this does not shed any light on those former stepchildren Molly mentioned online, so maybe those were fantasy children? And I'm also puzzled at how fast she secured that job in Ireland when her life was in such disarray.

 

[kittythehare]

well, he's not going to be a witness unless the prosecution wants him to be (or the defense and I can't imagine the case for that)... so he needs to fit in with the "theory of prosecution"... and I'm wondering what that might be... that she provoked Jason by not taking her meds? or by lying about taking meds?...Like I said, even if true, if he was angry and threatening to her, it doesn't matter if she was defending herself... and, I don't think you should think of her as a drug addict...I mean while she can't function well without them, she is prescribed these drugs...I'm thinking though that she used KM for his muscle relaxers because I'm not at all sure how that relates to HER pain...but it sounds like she was self-medicating...and that bears mention of something else...I wonder if the trazodone in Jason's system was prescribed for him?... that could make a difference... if it was prescribed for Molly and he took it, then, that might not be so good ...however, it might be the way to get medical records introduced for both parties...I'm sure everyone wants to know who prescribed the trazodone for whom and for what purpose?...IMO

Re trazadone, his blood content was minimal, literally and it only has a half life of 8 hrs as far as i remember. Nobody is really wondering about that, he was not prescribed that medicine, we have been informed in previous posts, there were many early on in our discussions. so he either was given it by a friend or she spiked him with it. I
didn't get that the muscle relaxants were keiths'.. they were hers, probably either on an old prescription which had become cancelled by a newer one or an over the counter codeine type analgesic.. may are addicted to codeine and do not need prescriptions in all countries.
her addiction referred to her addiction to the muscle relaxants.. she was prepared to throw her greatest fan and her fiance away if he would not bring the illegal meds to her. Thats addiction.
It has nowhere been mentioned that he is to be called as a witness. For anybody.

 

[Frizby]

well, he's not going to be a witness unless the prosecution wants him to be (or the defense and I can't imagine the case for that)... so he needs to fit in with the "theory of prosecution"... and I'm wondering what that might be... that she provoked Jason by not taking her meds? or by lying about taking meds?...Like I said, even if true, if he was angry and threatening to her, it doesn't matter if she was defending herself... and, I don't think you should think of her as a drug addict...I mean while she can't function well without them, she is prescribed these drugs...I'm thinking though that she used KM for his muscle relaxers because I'm not at all sure how that relates to HER pain...but it sounds like she was self-medicating...and that bears mention of something else...I wonder if the trazodone in Jason's system was prescribed for him?... that could make a difference... if it was prescribed for Molly and he took it, then, that might not be so good ...however, it might be the way to get medical records introduced for both parties...I'm sure everyone wants to know who prescribed the trazodone for whom and for what purpose?...IMO

Well I think it was Mike Earnest who said that the drugs found in Jason's body were not his prescription but I do think that the defence will be putting a lot of weight on the fact that this was found in his system. They have mentioned it on more than one occasion. Getting medical records for JC I suspect will be a lot easier then getting them for MM. As to how the finding of Trazodone in his system will be counteracted I have no idea but I suspect that there will be experts on both sides, one with the stories as to how it can be portrayed as causing someone to go manic and the other to say that this is not the case. Following on from the newspaper article today, I do not suspect taht Keith will be witness for the defence, but I do think he will be a witness for the prosecutions as they attempt to open up the eyes of the jurors to her past. The shared pain could be taken in two ways, physical pain and mental pain.

From what I can gather from the revelations of today, Keith previously suffered from physical pain but also mental pain. Can't see why MM would be prescribed muscle relaxants, so yes it might be a way of getting all the records introduced. Why would she be demanding muscle relaxant if she had no prior history on them? Everything in this points me to think that KM will be a witness in this trial in some fashion. Still think it is odd for someone supposedly to be on up to 26 prescribed medications and then a few weeks later for they claim to be on none. If she was on nothing, then what did Tracey Lynch see on the shelf? I think that medical records will play a key role in this case.

 

[searchinGirl]

In my opinion, the theory of the Prosecution will be that JC was not "provoked" at all. That is the defense position.

There were three people involved in a "donnybrook." The Defense claims that the raging, provoked individual sustained ALL the injuries and the reasonable, controlled individuals with the bat and the brick...sustained no injuries.

JC as the Incredible Hulk with marshmallow hands.

Or maybe this..I suggest the Prosecution bring the child's inflatable punching bag to court. Does as much damage as JC did to TM and MM that night...

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...KbMAhUHx4MKHfoaB14QMwgbKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

But how do the meds factor in...one way or the other to be introduced into evidence?

 

[kittythehare]

But how do the meds factor in...one way or the other to be introduced into evidence?

the trazadone medicine, you mean?
Okay, holten and his merry elves are stumped, probably daily if not hourly at her antics as each new abomination is described.
They are at a total loss.
They cannot really say that Jason is a serial abuser because he is too well known and too well liked and respected.
Very high doses of trazadone coupled with very high levels of alcohol can cause psychoses of various types. But its exceedingly rare.
All pharmacological drugs will carry almost identical side effects warnings nowadays, they must, by law. So often an antibiotic will contain almost identical 'special precautions' and 'side effects in varying categories as outright antipsychotic drugs.
They must print these warnings.
Jason did not have anymore than one beer alcohol content in his post mortem blood analysis.
He had a minimal dose of traz as well, neither of which would render him either slightly inebriated or sedated.
They are desperate, however, so they find this side effect and they say they will find experts to prove without any shadow of a doubt that this was a lethal combination in jason's case and led to him experiencing a violent episode, they appear to be short on evidence of priors as well, so they are possibly alluding to it being a one off,a once in a lifetime rage that made him so 'brutish'- they go for depersonalisation here, he cannot be a human if they are to pass this abject nonsense off as factual in any capacity.
Thats my understanding of their ploy.
But my guess is that they will not run this defence at all, it is too simply discredited.
A smart lawyer does not disclose his defence prior to trial.
this is klik-bait, designed to thwart the location of the trial to a different part of NC which will be less likely to believe the prosecution

 

[stmarysmead]

Medications have evidentiary trails: they must be prescribed and they come from pharmacies. They will be able to learn who was prescribed what.

But here's my opinion and what I believe the DA will argue...even if JC was drunk, drugged and raging, he didn't land a single blow, did he? Now he was a big man, young, strong, and they claim raging. Yet somehow, in this equal fight, he has marshmallow hands. And yet, somehow they need to pound him over and over, front and back , with brick and bat...his blood and brains all over the bedroom.

Why?

As we say in the South, that dog won't hunt. No way.